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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:22 PM Original message |
History will not look back kindly on the failure of the Clinton campaign. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. No it will not. I hope people like Zinn are writing new chapters already n/t |
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ThatBozGuy (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. The Machinations of Ms Clintons current campaign staff, not in the campaign but in the 2005-2007 DNC |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-24-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #19 |
57. Actually I think they thought that their infrastructure would also |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. glad to have your pronouncement |
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Ned_Devine (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. Maybe for democrats but Giuliani's certainly takes the overall cake |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Maybe so, but he wasn't married to a President..... |
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Ned_Devine (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. No, he was married to 9/11 |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. LOL! |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
41. DUZY! my first nomination. |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Don't forget Fred Thompson's brilliant, riveting campaign. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. you beat me to it, and said it better... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Team Fred didn't lose much money on that exercise though. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Don't forget Fred Thompson, the one-time presumptive (R) winner! |
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Ned_Devine (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Yeah! I never understood his appeal... |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Talk radio loved him. |
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Ned_Devine (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I always think of how gross it is... |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-24-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
52. I'm eternally grateful for his running... |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Giuliani didn't blow over $150 million in order to still lose.... |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. None of the repubs campaigns even compare to Clintons. She was supposed to cakewalk in there. |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
26. Rudy was never the front runner in any early states |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-24-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
54. Only glassy-eyed media goobers thought Rudy had a chance. |
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David Dunham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. Actually, Obama's campaign will look really bad if McCain trounces him in the fall |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Not Just Obama's Campaign |
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Ned_Devine (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Which beltway dems would those be? |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
18. She ran a horrendous campaign....Easily the worst in Democratic history |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
21. The campaigns primary historical memory will be just how undemocratic caucuses are. |
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Citizen Kang (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. Those Damn caucuses!!!! |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
22. I agree, there will be a campaign book written about the failure of Hillary's campaign |
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Mme. Defarge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
47. Waiting for the |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
23. Oh bullshit! History is written by those that have killed heroes, and |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The media didnt make Hillary fail, but if thats what you want to believe then go ahead, |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Clintons certainly spent the 90s rehabbing BushInc's legacy and deep-sixing the REAL DEM HEROES' |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
24. I had a conversation with John Nichols (The Nation) and he said... |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Thats interesting. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. The whole enterprise has been so counter intuitive |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Nichols sure is a good bloke, isn't he? |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
29. Hillary's campaign doomed itself by reinforcing her negative image in it's attempts to redefine her |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. very sober and insightful post! And wouldn't it be better to run on what you truly believe and lose |
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Mme. Defarge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. Very much on point. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
31. These asshats were in charge of the Dem PARTY, too, since 1993, and you wonder why |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
33. I respectfully disagree with the premise of your thread. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. At the very least, there will be a book on Obama's rise, which perforce will include |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. I respectfully disagree with your disagreement |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. I second point #2. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. How about, don't backstab every other Dem leader and their efforts to gild yourself? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
34. I guess you don't remember Sen. Eagleton. In any event, "kindly" isn't how history |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
36. I think both Clintons have harmed |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
39. You poisoned the well: "The bitterness and hatred teaming from every wrinkle in her face..." |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. sorry how about every "nuance" in her face |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Too bad you didn't write that in your OP instead. |
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Mme. Defarge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
46. Running on experience |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
48. History will what? Never mind history. How about November will not look kindly on Obama... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-24-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. In what year were all states needed to have a vote in the DNC primaries? |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-24-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Nonsense. Democratic Party Charter mandates were violated..... |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
50. History will not look to fondly ... |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-24-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
51. Well, even in this single cycle, we've seen a couple of worse run campaigns. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-24-08 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
53. This post reminds me of GW. He is always telling us how history will remember him. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-24-08 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
56. It will also besmirch Bill Clinton's presidency |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-24-08 02:01 AM Response to Original message |
58. there will be a small industry of Clinton insiders selling their stories in the form of tell all |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-24-08 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
59. Well, you're entitled to believe it, |
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