Why are Obama supporters so desperate?

I only wander into GD:p by accident. I read the front page and the latest page a few times a day. I am amazed at how many posts that call for Clinton to give up, or wonder who is going to endorse Obama next, or some other tear down of a candidate or former candidate, if they dare to ignore Obama. On any given day there are at least 10 threads devoted to trying to make Obama the nominee, not by declaring how great his issues are, but by tearing down someone else. It's really becoming almost laughable if it wasn't hurting the party so badly. All I see are Obama supporters telling anyone who disagrees that Obama is the "ONE", to get over themselves, fall in line or don't let the door hit you on the way out. This is unity?

This destructive behavior has been going on since Iowa, and it's not new DUers, it's a lot of old timers who are showing their arrogance. I had come to respect all the supporters of the other candidates, except for Obama's. For the most part Obama supporters and Clinton supporters snarked back and forth. But then the Obama supporters started telling all the other candidate's supporters that for the good of the party their candidate should drop out and throw their support to Obama. Not once did a Clinton supporter say that to us, only Obama supporters.

I didn't make up my mind on who to support until just before Iowa. At that time, I would have voted for any of the candidates running. After Iowa it became a totally different story. Obama supporters were so arrogant in their win that they went around and rubbed every one's face in it. It was very difficult to avoid them, they would pop up in threads that had nothing to do with their candidate, and tell us how our candidate should give up.

Their quest to totally ruin Clinton has been monumental. I have never read such vitriol in my life, and stuff that is totally made up is amazing. Spinning a story has taken on new meaning in the Obama camp, it now everyone's fault, but Obama's.

Obama supporters, ask yourself this....would you want to work for a company when all the employees you meet are assholes, even if the boss was nice? That's what you've done here. You've shown that the company of Obama is full of demeaning used car salesmen. Who would blame anyone for not wanting to work for him.

zalinda

It's absurdly impossible, but they don't care, it keeps a white woman out of power.

We don't want a woman to win so we are sinking the party. That kind of stereotyping of Obama supporters is really helpful.

:toast:

You enjoy this? You toast to this?

It was funny.

I enjoyed this.

He always seems like someone poured wet sand down his drawers.

There are a few of them among Clinton supporters. I get the impression that they're incapable of experiencing joy, because every post is just so bitter.

- as

God, I HOPE they get over themselves.

They are a mean, sullen bunch. Great OP.

Obama supporters are mean and sullen? Just how do you view HRC ... St. Hillary the Sweet, Inspiring, Kind and Loving? :puke: And are her campaign staff saints as well? :puke: If you want to use the "b" word to describe any Obama supporters start with St. Hillary.

Ignore is your friend! I will do the same to the OP as soon as I finish ignoring all the trollish responders.

What could the point of your post possibly be? By what stretch of the imagination could it be constructive or contribute anything to the discussion?

Just awful.

What's the point of the OP? What's the point of 99.99% of Billbuckhead's hateful posts here?

Save the scolding. It's just awful.

I'm inspired by Obama. I agree with Obama's take on this country. I think he is what this country needs.

Just like you are inspired by Clinton and believe that she is what this country needs.

It's no more complicated than that.

Anyone who claims to know exactly how the GE will go is bullshitting themselves.

I abhor someone who would throw his grandmother under the bus to justify a 20 year relationship asskissing an influential radical and bigoted religious "mentor".

are you on the wrong website???

In the height of the Lewinsky frenzy she said Bill's philandering could be traced back to his mother and grandmother fighting over him, producing an insatiable desire within him to please women. Of course both women, who sacrificed so much for him, were dead at the time and could not defend themselves.

and do that. Clinton and Obama have both had a fair shot at this, which is more than can be said for some candidates.

I also believe attention should be drawn to the disrespectful way Clinton is treated constantly on this board. Tearing her down is their way of promoting Obama, and it has done just the opposite. Perhaps they are not really for Obama?

They've been 100% innocent in this entire election.

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:rofl:

It is hard to believe that we see Democrats using this line of reasoning so often now.

"Mommy she hit me first!"

"She has it coming."

"They brought it on themselves."

"She asked for it!"

That vicious retaliation is going on is not being denied, it is being justified, and justified with the age old rationale that has been used to justify abuse of all kinds, bullying and even war through the ages.

The one revealing thing is that these responses confirm that people are out of control - people are inadvertently admitting the nature of their behavior when they say it is justified because of what Clinton supporters did.

And instead of calling out ONE GROUP, call out all the fuck heads?

I have challenged Clinton supporters many times.

Who made it sound like it was entirely an Obama problem.

And as such, are no better than that which you decry here.

but I haven't seen many "Obama should drop out" and "Let's just move on to the general" and "Obama is a desperate asshole" type posts from Hillary supporters, even when she won on Super Tuesday or won Ohio and Texas. And there has been an awful lot of bile from the Obama crowd. Even the more respectful and pleasant Obama supporters themselves have commented on it.

:)

I have to laugh in way though, because I see a thread about Hillary supporters being gone, then one about the amount of extra hate form the Obama camp. There might be correlation there though not what some want to think. I bet the ratio between Hillary supporters and dumb threads is pretty equal to the ratio of Obama supporters and dumb threads.

And do you HONESTLY think those threads wouldn't exist if the roles were reversed and Hillary were in the driver's seat? :shrug:

All I know is I can't wait for this be done with so you and I can worry about the real issues again. :toast:

Thankfully, those posters who were responsible for the 'Obama should drop out for the good of the party' posts are no longer here.

But still. there were plenty of those type of posts for a couple of days there.

- as

being happy that Obama was still in the race after he lost 11 in a row. Can you honestly say that you think it would be any other way if the numbers were reversed? The mud that has been thrown here will come back to haunt us in the fall. This fight is at the expense of soldiers who are dying on the field and Americans who are being put out of their homes with nothing. Go figure.

Not everyone is on one side or the other in this hatefest you are completely given over to. The OP, and I , were Edwards supporters and are lukewarm about both remaining candidates.

To respond to any and all criticism of Obama with "Clinton supporters did it too!!" and take this "for us or against us" stance is exactly the problem, and what some of us are trying to warn people about here. You can beat up on fellow Democrats - do you know why? We are trying to communicate with you. We are vulnerable to you because we consider you an ally and are trying to heal this growing and bitter divide for all of our sakes. But take this shit out to the general public and the entire party is going to be in trouble. People will not stand for this, nor should they.

I was a Kucinich and then Edwards supporter. I'm not thrilled at all with either choice left as they were my last two picks, so we're in the same boat. But that didn't occur to you, did it? You went into scold mode without a clue, and just assumed I was an Obama supporter tossing out the "Clinton's do it too" line. And while it's true that they do, had you been around or paying attention you'll see that I've consistently made the point to BOTH sides.

As for the "for us or against us" Bush like bullshit...if you think I've said that or thought that than you know NOTHING about me. It's that's attitude I've been against here.


Save your scolding until you know what the fuck you're talking about.

it is part of the plan. make the forum look like it's all obama all the time. and each obama supporter takes their turn in posting the same tripe.

posts, same subject. Aren't they supposed to check if the topic is already under discussion before posting duplicate, triplicate, quadruple threads on the same topic?

I believe the stories of the Obama supporters mass ignore lists ... I also believe that it's quite likely that there is a group of Obama supporters who have devised ways to target posters who refuse to be bullied or intimidated by them.

If they can see reasonable people talking, they can't interrupt.

hilary has much more destruction planned and the m$$$m isn't nearly finished pitting the loser hilary against the winner, Obama.

You obviously have a low opinion of car salesmen too.

You are obviously acting like you say Obama supporters act. Pot. Meet. Kettle.

but, the public's opinion of USED car salesmen is lower than dog squat, they even made a movie about it. In the end, the used car salesman probably doesn't deserve it, but they didn't do anything to stop the perception, either. This is the same thing that is going on with Obama supporters. Many may not be assholes, but the ones who are, are speaking for all Obama supporters when no one disavows them. You let them do your dirty work, but cry foul when you are lumped together with them. This is the lead that Obama has shown you, and why I really dislike him.

BTW, I used car salesmen to be nice, but then that got lost on you. Or, maybe it didn't and you just needed to prove my point.

zalinda

Great question!

:rofl:

I've read a few posts, however, from Obama supporters themselves asking their own side to cool it and, in essence, echoing what you have written.

Most of us, like most Clinton supporters, are levelheaded, thoughtful people.

I'm not crazy, a cult member, a Koolaid drinker, vitriolic, arrogant, childish, a liar, or an asshole, thanks. Can we please stop with the namecalling, everyone?

until after Iowa. It was after Iowa that all the name calling started toward Obama supporters, before that it was only Clinton's supporters who were called names. The Obama supporters really brought it on themselves, they got mean in their win, and were swatted back. If you don't want to be called names then you should really stop the name calling of Clinton supporters, plain and simple.

And, btw, I don't like either candidate that is left. But, I have defended Clinton just because she is beaten up so severely for no apparent reason at times.

zalinda

over namecalling Obama supporters than you do over namecalling Clinton supporters?

News flash: I don't.

At the same time, I don't stoop to it the way you did in your OP, and I won't in the future.

This assumption that all who post any criticism of or reservations about Obama or his supporters whatsoever are therefore on the other side - the evil side, responsible for all that is wrong in the world - and should be held responsible for Clinton and her supporters, is just nonsense.

It is exactly this all-or-nothing "for us or against" us mentality that people are complaining about.

I am not on either of your two sides, and I don't believe that the OP is either. Can't you see that?

Yes, the Clinton supporters were nasty and I tangled with them many times. That has absolutely nothing to do with how Obama supporters - not all, but very many - are acting now.

I would much rather have this be the other way around, believe me. I am no fan of Senator Clinton, was not (and still am not) opposed to Senator Obama, and a couple of months ago if anyone told me I would be attacked as a Clinton supporter, or that I would be defending Clinton supporters I would not have been able to imagine how that could ever be. That is how bad things have become here.

I am telling you that from the perspective of someone who is not on either side, not only is the behavior of the Obama supporters much worse than anything that has come from the supporters of the other candidates, it is the worst behavior I have seen anywhere in politics in 40 years. If that carries into the general, we are all in trouble.

We are most likely going to have to promote Obama in the general. Can you think about that for a minute? True blue loyalty, hero worship, Clinton hating, and mean spirited "for us or against us" attacks will cripple us in the general.

At least on this forum.

This is a perfect storm of stridency, idiocy and zeal.

Something I might have expected more from the Republican party, less from the Democratic party.

They simply don't believe they need the rest of us.

I wish I could shrug and "get over it" as they advise, but they're about to screw up our remaining decent chance to hold the Bush admin accountable.

I get the sense that many Obama supporters aren't so much for progress as progress toward their spot at the trough.

They're making the sort of a mistake a cargo cult might make, or an abused child.

They've seen politics as a fight having little to do with facts, deliberation, or governance in the interest of the general population.

No, they've seen lies, invective, and a partisan distribution of spoils. Many can't remember much else. Many think that's the way it's supposed to be. And now they want "their share". No change sought, only membership in the spoils system. This has been brewing since before the O.J. trial when I often heard people saying "they get their guys off the hook, time for one of ours." - the implicit assumption that, even though he's guilty, there was some sort of quota system to acquittals. Also I often heard (and this is particularly depressing) "Getting O.J. off will make up for Rodney King."

It's sad actually. They seem to have learned the wrong lesson and appear to believe that success in this system is a matter of swagger, sharp elbows, and merciless-ness.

Given the past 7+ years that may now be the case.

It wasn't always.

It might be a long term truth - if we miss this chance.

We are desperate to get rid of bushco, and on to the healing. What is so wrong with that?:shrug:

you think the kind of nastiness posted by the Obama supporters is going to heal anything? What a bunch of bullshit.

are keeping the country from healing from bushco. That is bullshit. And you can't find anywhere where I have posted anything nasty about Clinton, so take your anger out on someone else.

you can't heal anything with the kind of nastiness I've seen spewed here. maybe not by you...I don't know and don't care...but plenty of obama supporters have spewed a bunch of hate.

I think we are claiming that OBAMA can heal the country, not us. There is a pretty big difference. I don't think that Obama is checking this website to see how his supporters are acting in order to gauge how he should run the country. You are over-reacting.

You don't care if I have committed the offense that you have accused me of. Wow, ok, I don't even know what to say. Blame me for what others have done, that will solve alot.

Boy, I see why people have been nasty to you, you are pretty nasty yourself.

There is nothing necessarily "wrong" with that. How we do that is the issue.

I think we also need a little more clarity and sobriety here. If I go to people in the general public and say "vote for Obama so we can get rid of bushco and on to the healing" they are going to look at me as though I were crazy. "Heal" what? We have a lot more than "healing" to do. We have to rebuild the entire country. "Getting rid of bushco" is not going to be solved by this one election, or any election.

I fear that "getting rid of bushco" is a matter of "say goodbye to the old boss, say hello to the new boss." I fear that "on to the healing" means "heal the bruised egos of some liberals and party activists." Those goals may be attractive to some of us here, but have no relevancy at all for people in the general public.

not this time

Don't like something?

Just ignore!

Don't engage, don't reason, give it a slap down, slink off toward an easy fight - BE REPUBLICAN-LIKE!

Or, more to the point, REPUBLICAN-LITE.

Be careful: rightwing thought follows rightwing tactics.

MUST OBEY OBAMA!!!!

Yay! Green trash cans on the commons :patriot:

that's bloody brilliant.

They don't remember the the Clinton years of good economic times and no military life lost. They were more interested in whether the Proactive Solution was working on their acne and concerned about the purchase of their next album! The Snot-nose group.....What they know about the Clinton presidency they got from the Right-Wing radio and TV assholes.

the divisive points come from both sides

banky will make it all better;

....making his dream OVER!

If she took it to superdelegates itwould go against who we are as Democrats. So given she cannot win it is time to concede by plain logic.

If HRC took it to superdelegates itwould go against who we are as Democrats. So given HRC cannot win it is time to concede by only logic.

It's one lecture after another.

assholes that you all go to? It's one crappy anti anybody but Obama after another. This has been happening since Iowa, so yes, the rest of us are a little tired of it. And, just like a grown up looking after a kid, we scold after the potty mouth is opened and spewed.

zalinda

and we're the ones with 'potty mouth.'

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An Edwards supporter? Sanctimony and childish name-calling combined is a clear identifier.

Okay, make that primaries won. No? Caucuses won? Wait, he's ahead. Money? No. Anyone?

Gosh, I can't imagine why his supporters would be desperate. He's winning in every category.

Maybe you're just making things up.

Unless you seriously think Obama's victories in every category imaginable have made his supporters desperate.

He's ahead in delegates.
He's ahead in the popular vote.
He's ahead in fundraising and cash on hand.
He's won more caucuses.
He's won more primaries.
He's ahead in the number of states won.

What did I make up? Or are you talking out of your ass again? I suspect the latter, since it's you.

and very accurate. Hope some people think before they attack fellow Dems.

When I've worked on campaigns and was kicking butt - I was so happy you couldn't have brought my spirits down. I was busy trying to win more people over.

slash and burn, scorched earth style. Its not helpful and when used against fellow Dem voters, never works. Its more successful with GOP voters, but they're an exception to the rule. And it certainly won't pick up support from independents.

I think you are misreading what is actually enthusiasm.

I watched "The Young Turk" 5% rule clip a bit ago, where his thesis was that 5% of any group was almost inevitably behaviorally challenged - and these challenged individuals always seem to be the most vocal. So to an observer the majority of any group may seem to be malevolent, arrogant, racist, obnoxious, etc, while the reality is its only a small but loud percentage.

Perhaps that's flawed, and a poor excuse anyway, from one Obama supporter for the obnoxiousness of others. I haven't seen a great deal myself, as its not too hard to recognize and avoid posts that attract nothing but bickering and name-calling, and I have made attempts to be a good example....

I appreciate that you are still here, and I don't think anyone in the GDP would deny your point.

We are worried about the general.

If Obama supporters were as confident as they claim to be - in the general election, with the general public, and in the larger scheme of things - there would be no need to invest all of this time and energy into destroying Clinton and fellow Democrats - many of them no fans of Clinton at all.

Yeah, you are beating the crap out of all of us, and destroying Senator Clinton, and "winning" - so why so desperate to suppress every tiny hint of opposition? That is not a sign of strength or winning, it betrays deep weakness. That makes us ALL weak. It is not "us against them." Nothing is "won" by beating up fellow Democrats. Those being attacked are not all DLC people, or moderates or conservatives, or as I said even Clinton supporters. There is no political logic as to who is seen on one side or the other. Think about that. Clinton and Kucinich supporters - it makes sense for them to argue. But this is crazy. The two sides are this - 100% brook-no-compromise take-no-prisoners totally loyal and gung ho Obama supporters; and the rest of the world. Think about what that means for the general - please.

It is people who are not Clinton supporters who are now warning us about what is happening.

The OP says that people are being obnoxious and are out of control - and I share in that observation - and we have the usual responses "denying" that by by proving it - posters being obnoxious and out of control, and making mean-spirited attacks on the OP.

I don't care one way or the other between Clinton and Obama. But this hatred that is being used to promote Obama, or destroy Clinton, or destroy fellow Democrats - whatever the purpose of it is - will sink us all if it continues.

Hasta la vista, BABY! :rofl:

And I am an Obama supporter

Look, realistically, at least half of the posters on DU are stealth freepers who think sowing chaos is funny and effective, so you read things here that have no validity in real life.

I work in the real world, I'm a party official, I've worked with the Obama campaign for the past two years, and for the most part all the campaigns remain somewhat cordial towards each other.

If we acted in real life like the jackanapes who post online, we'd be using flamethrowers and tossing molotovs.

But we are actual adults working for the good of the party and our country; and respectfully disagree on a candidate level approach. I've worked with Hillary, I've spent time with Hillary, we have a history together and I'll always love her.

I just don't think her organization has the right approach at this time for what ails this country.
Ours does.

So sign off, or quit reading the crap posted here by disruptors that you so readily believe represent our campaign, because they don't, and if any of them utter half that shit in person, they would be off the bus in a heartbeat.

the only contact they will get from any campaign is what they read online? From what I hear and read, this Obama meanness is not just here at DU, but on tons of message boards out there. And the meanness is NOT coming from people who just signed on, but from people who have over 1000 posts.

In the Edwards forum when people got a little out of line, we tried to pull them back in saying that they represent OUR candidate. Nothing like that seems to be going on in the Obama campaign. Like I said, there seems to be a consensus to let the assholes run with crap about Clinton, and let them do Obama's dirty work. Maybe you don't see it, but those of us who supported other candidates sure did. Obama supporters even come into our forums to do their little tap dance for us, and no amount of "we don't want to hear it" makes them go away. We have to put people on ignore in our own forum.

And while you may think that this is all fun and games, it is not. Not to me. Neither Clinton nor Obama will change anything in my life or the majority of the people in this country. We don't matter, we aren't Starbuck dems. We have to buy grocery store brand coffee and make it at home, if we can afford coffee at all.

This is a rah-rah football game to you guys. You don't care who really wins, you just like the game. You only want to win so you'll have bragging rights. Those of us who are on the brink, may not even make it to next year, and you, Obama and Clinton don't give a flying fuck. It's just about winning the game.

zalinda

DU'ers on here.

Most people get campaign info from TV and radio. Not DU. Most of the people I know, even really politically aware ones have no flippin clue what Democratic Underground even is.

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To promise no more gay bashing preachers will get the mic at the White House, or on the campaign trail.
I don't really dig either of these war funders, but the one I swore I'd not vote for will get my vote if the choice is to vote in support of McClurkin and Caldwell. I feel I'm being purged from this Party to make room for Donnie and the Pentacostals who are offened that gay people draw breath from the same air as they do. Unity? Perhaps making some instead of talking about it is a good idea? Obama says he can work with every Republican in Congress, but he can not apologize to Democrats for letting some Bushie attack us at his events. I have trouble adding those two factors and getting a result in the postitve. Perhaps if his backers were not so accepting of overt bigotry as a campaign tool, he would disavow the Fundies who trash good people.

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to demand the process be over because as time goes on, and the press finally starts seriously looking into Obama's past, the more the public will learn about him. The more they learn, the less likely he'll be the nominee. His words of hope and change are just that -- words. He is and always has been nothing more and nothing less than a typical, ambitious politician who will do and say anything to advance his goals. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but people are waking up to the fact that he's little more than a motivational speaker (as long as he has a teleprompter) and community organizer. Hardly qualifications to run an entire country, especially one that is in as much trouble as we are now.

One example of information that is out there, but has not yet been addressed by our media is his time in the IL legislature and his relationship with Emil Jones. Which brings me to another point. Obama likes to tout his superior judgment, but when you look at his relationships with Rezko, Wright, and Jones, one has to wonder if he just has lapses in that superior judgment, or if perhaps he's not quite the shiny, new, change guy he presents himself as.

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Jones had served in the Illinois Legislature for three decades. He represented a district on the Chicago South Side not far from Obama's. He became Obama's ­kingmaker. Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city's most popular black call-in radio ­program. I called Kelley last week and he recollected the private conversation as follows:

"He said, 'Cliff, I'm gonna make me a U.S. Senator.'"

"Oh, you are? Who might that be?"

"Barack Obama."

Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. "Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

"I don't consider it bill jacking," Hendon told me. "But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the one-yard line, and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book."

During his seventh and final year in the state Senate, Obama's stats soared. He sponsored a whopping 26 bills passed into law — including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced.

It was a stunning achievement that started him on the path of national politics — and he couldn't have done it without Jones. Before Obama ran for U.S. Senate in 2004, he was virtually unknown even in his own state. Polls showed fewer than 20 percent of Illinois voters had ever heard of Barack Obama.

Jones further helped raise Obama's profile by having him craft legislation addressing the day-to-day tragedies that dominated local news ­headlines. For instance. Obama sponsored a bill banning the use of the diet supplement ephedra, which killed a Northwestern University football player, and another one preventing the use of pepper spray or pyrotechnics in nightclubs in the wake of the deaths of 21 people during a stampede at a Chicago nightclub. Both stories had received national attention and extensive local coverage.

I spoke to Jones earlier this week and he confirmed his conversation with Kelley, adding that he gave Obama the legislation because he believed in Obama's ability to negotiate with Democrats and Republicans on divisive issues.

So how has Obama repaid Jones? Last June, to prove his commitment to government transparency, Obama released a comprehensive list of his earmark requests for fiscal year 2008. It comprised more than $300 million in pet projects for Illinois, including tens of millions for Jones's Senate district.

Shortly after Jones became Senate president, I remember asking his view on pork-barrel spending. I'll never forget what he said:"Some call it pork; I call it steak."

More...

http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/print

Some corroborative testimony from fellow DUers:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5120659

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4779500&mesg_id=4779500

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4849238&mesg_id=4849238

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4922044&mesg_id=4922044

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4942967&mesg_id=4942967

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4964704&mesg_id=4964704

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965088

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965227

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4982708&mesg_id=4982708

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5036756

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5065868&mesg_id=5065868

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5156352&mesg_id=5156412

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5165104&mesg_id=5165104

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5180133&mesg_id=5181094

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5195072&mesg_id=5195072

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5204441&mesg_id=5204441

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5214352&mesg_id=5214352

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5226313&mesg_id=5226313

Reporting threats against Hillary:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4999545&mesg_id=4999545

It seems to me that HRC started out with all the supporters she was going to get. As time has gone by, much of that support has switched to Obama. At this point, so many have switched that it is unlikely that she will be nominated. Yet she stays in the race, reducing the Dems' chances in November and behaving in a way that I for one cannot approve of.

They have their nominee. We need to have ours. It's Obama. Let's move on.

It was a tough choice at first, but they let their true colors shine through with the vitriol they unleash on her.

they have painetd themselves into a corner. They MUST see their candidate have the nomination. No matter what. And they know he cannot win in November.

Oh well... they'll blame that on Hillary too. Or Bill.

civility.

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I completely agree. Supporters of Senator Obama have been relentless in insulting Senator Clinton and her husband.

Any candidate does. Besides, what does it matter waht the DU supporters are like?

and the candidate who will ultimately be running in the GE.

Your OP seems a bit disingenuous to me, since I have seen Hillary supporters say Obama, who is winning, should drop out of the race almost as many times as Obama supporters say Hillary should drop out.

The truth is Hillary is HURTING the party, and helping the repukes, and anyone who doesn't see that has blinders on. She and many of her supporters on this board are doing the repukes work for them. McCain is more experienced, McCain is more patriotic than Obama - courtesy of Hillary and Bill Clinton. I'm sure the repukelican party is very grateful to them for all they're doing, but this DEMOCRAT isn't. I want to win the GE.

Tons of Rev. Wright threads, and every other repuke talking point - easy to find, right here on DU, day after day, from HRC supporters. I often think I'm lost and somehow ended up on freeperville. Not because of Obama supporters, for the most part.

You may say you're not a Hillary supporter, but if you weren't you would probably have a problem with her building up the repuke candidate, while tearing down the candidate that will most likely win the dem nomination, trying to make it more and more difficult for him to win in the GE. It disgusts me, and I once admired Hillary.

She crossed a line weeks ago, cares nothing about the party, and, thankfully, I don't choose MY candidate based on what their supporters post on a messageboard, because if I did, I would have disliked HRC even sooner.

and her lies

As an Edwards supporter (I still haven't decided) - I applaud this post. I want to see issues, and all we get is poo flinging, and it's coming from the Obama camp.

K&R!

When you are trying to kill a snake you don't do it slowly. My grandmother used to have a saying about doing something like you're killing snakes. It means doing it quickly.

Im terribly sick of seeing this garbage every time I come to the DU. Here is a clue for you: usually when a candidate Loses in a primary they drop out, and throw their weight behind the other candidate in the interest of the party. If you are confused about this, it may be because HRC has decided to take the party down with her failed candidacy by attempting to destroy a rival she is extremely unlikey to surpass. If your own denial is too deep to comprehend this then I certainly can't help you.

Incidentally I remember the DU four or five months ago, and it wasn't Obama supporters rubbing peoples face in the dirt back then. Similarly it isn't Obama chucking kitchen sinks about 3am or how McSame is better than Clinton's ascentdant rival. "Everyone's fault but Obama's" and "poor Hillary" are the most irony impaired memes I've ever seen spread here and so you'll have to excuse me if I show no sympathy at all for the moribund entitlement of the Clinton campaign, and its occasional pockets of bellyaching, denial ridden supporters.

is that almost as many people have voted for Hillary as for Obama and we are as committed to our candidate as they are to theirs. Therefore, we want this race to go all the way to Puerto Rico. If she doesn't make it, then Hillary's supporters will have to make a choice that suits them. They can either vote for Obama, McCain, Nader, write-in her name or stay home. No one should be browbeating people to vote a certain way.

and volunteers and votes.

Best let the primaries play out as they are meant to.

Spiffed-up on the outside, seized up with mud under the hood.

It's all been packaged like an American fast-food T.V. commercial. It's yummy, but poisonous.

It is what Americans have been groomed to accept. Look out for the rude awakening, it will be a sorrowful sight.

Did this get me on the ignore list?

Ignore alternative views and opinions and you will surely be missing parts of the truth that shouldn't be overlooked.