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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:59 PM
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Does anyone think that anything they say about Obama/Wright will change anyone's mind at this point?
I think not. This horse has been beaten to a pulp and all of the arguing back in forth is really a waste of time.

I have engaged in this discussion as vigorously as anyone else. But I sincerely doubt there is anything else I can say that can change the mind of those of you who thinks that his relationship with Rev. Wright reveals Obama to be a bad person or unfit to be president or a closet racist or - as I suspect some people fear - a trojan horse pretending to be "one of the good ones," but who is really just biding his time to seize power whereupon he can throw open the doors of government to all of those angry, violent, militant black people who are going to wreak havoc and revenge as soon as they get a chance.

And I also doubt there is anything that anyone can say to me or to anyone else who believes that Obama's relationship with his pastor is not a disqualifying factor but a demonstration of the broadmindedness that makes him an unusual political figure, a willingness to accept people as they are, an ability to weigh and balance the good against the bad and take away some knowledge and understanding from everyone, and an appreciation that people, lives, community and world are extremely complicated, to convince us that Obama is not fit to be president.

So given that people's minds are pretty made up on this topic and are unlikely to be swayed one way or the other, all of this back-and-forth arguing about this 10-day-old issue is really pretty useless at this point. Even the MSM is moving on to other issues - some shallow, some meaningful. Perhaps the DU community should find something else to discuss.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:01 PM
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1. Nope, what's done is done, there's a fork it in *and* it's already soup
Criminy this thing is dragging on & on x(
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:06 PM
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2. It's the moment the post racial illusion of Hillary's opponent's campaign collapsed
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:09 PM
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3. Um, I'm sure there's a point in there, but it reads like a meta tag...
:hi:
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:13 PM
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4. i would hope not, but then again
i didn't understand what howard dean's scream had to do with anything. so :shrug:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:53 PM
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5. I have been emailing the 'media'...
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 09:55 PM by stillcool47
every fucking day that they play that shit. I also include a short bio of Reverend Wright, and question their neglect in mentioning anything about this honorable man's life, beyond excerpts from one sermon among 30 years worth of sermons. They have gone too far. I've also make phone calls, but I lost the numbers..hopefully I'll find them again. It is much more cathartic to talk to an actual person. I really don't care if it 'matters' or not. It can't hurt.


Born on September 22, 1941, in Philadelphia
Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. is one of the most widely acclaimed black preachers in the United States. Combining social concern, spiritual growth, and political activism, Wright, who preaches in a black traditional style, brings a message of hope, redemption, and renewal. In 1972 he became pastor of a small United Church of Christ congregation in the inner city of Chicago. After over 30 years in the pulpit, his congregation has grown to 10,000 and is the largest United Church of Christ congregation in the United States.
In 1959 Wright enrolled at Virginia Union University, in Richmond, where he remained until 1961. That year he left school to join the military. He served in the Second Marine Division of the U.S. Marine Corps from 1961 to 1963, achieving the rank of private first class. In 1963 he graduated as valedictorian from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and from 1964 to 1967, he served as a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland.
During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.


After his discharge from the military, Wright continued his education. He enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., in 1967, and was awarded a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master's degree in 1969. He then entered the University of Chicago Divinity School, receiving a master of arts degree in 1975. He ended his formal education in 1990 when he earned a Doctor of Ministry degree in black sacred music from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio.
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When Wright joined the staff of Trinity United Church of Christ as senior pastor, the inner city church boasted just 87 active members, most of whom came from the neighborhood surrounding the church. Wright embraced his new congregation took up the phrase coined by his predecessor Rev. Dr. Reuben Sheares, "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." Within months the church had adopted the phrase as its motto and vision. Under Wright's leadership, fueled by his passion, and motivated by his preaching, the congregation began to grow by leaps and bounds. By 2004 there were over 10,000 members, with
people coming from across the metro area. The congregation, which proudly notes its diverse socio-economic mix, dedicated a new 2,700 worship center in 1997.
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Wright has authored several books, including Africans Who Shaped Our Faith, Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families, and What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength from Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. According to Cleophus J. LaRue in The Heart of Black Preaching, in his title sermon of What Makes You So Strong, Wright "demonstrates the power of the mighty sovereign at work in the lives of black people in twentieth century America. This sermon focuses on the root of black strength and survivability. Wright makes it clear throughout the sermon that the source of all strength, and especially black strength, is none other than the Spirit of God." As in his preaching, in his writing Wright focuses on the
dual issues of corporate concern and spiritual sustenance. His latest publication, What Can Happen When We Pray: A Daily Devotional, was published in 2002.
In recognition of his contributions, Wright has been awarded seven honorary doctoral degrees. He has also served on a number of boards and commissions, including serving on the board of trustees for Virginia Union University and Chicago Theological Seminary. He continues to be a highly sought after preacher,
teacher, and lecturer.

http://www.dogonvillage.com/blogs/african_american/archives/140
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:55 PM
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7. Thanks, stillcool47. I did a lot of emailing last week.
If this sh!t is still happening tomorrow, I'll continue and will use that. :hi:
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:55 PM
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6. We should all be thankful that the Rethugs beaten this dead horse in March, not October
Because if it first surfaced in October, it would probably change the mind of some swing voters. And that could ultimately tilt the election.
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