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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:57 PM
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Would it be a bad idea for Obama to frame the race as DLC vs. DNC?
That is the way that I see it, but perhaps that is because I am a bit of a political junkie. The American public might not understand. Any thoughts? Sincere ones please, from both sides, without name calling or any hostility
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:00 PM
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1. The SMARTEST way to frame it would be Open Government vs Closed Government
that protects the secrecy and privilege of the powerful elite.

Even many Republicans believe we are a better country with a more OPEN government - especially after Bush-Clinton-Bush.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:06 PM
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8. /signed -- That is the biggest difference between the two as far as policy goes
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Noirceuil Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:02 PM
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2. His supporters have already...
alienated centrists and moderates, so much so that most of us plan to stay home if Obama is the nominee. Reframing the debate as you suggest is pointless.
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:10 PM
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12. I'm guessing you are one of those centrist/moderates...
So by that rationale, it is his supporters that have turned you off from the candidate, not the candidate himself
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:02 PM
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3. Not from within the campaign.
But maybe from outside it.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:02 PM
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4. I already feel like that's what it is ...
I've been posting here quite frequently that this is a fight for our party as much
as it is for the nomination. It's a choice between continuing with grassroots up,
"50-state strategy" emphasized by Howard Dean (and pursued by Obama in his
"50-state campaign") and going back to the DLC/corporatist/top-down type of
leadership that will be reinstated by HRC if she's the nominee. I don't know
if Obama can actually say "DLC vs. DNC" but that's what this race has turned
into under the surface. Maybe there's another way he can frame it that won't
get DLCers too upset. (I get flamed every time I criticize that faction here.)
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:00 PM
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19. DING DING DING! LSparkle, you're our grand prize winner!
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 09:09 PM by rocknation
I don't know if Obama can actually say "DLC vs. DNC" but that's what this race has turned into under the surface...I get flamed every time I criticize...(the DLC)...faction here.

Oh, so YOU'RE the one who's been plagiarizing me, LOL!

Why do you think..(Florida Dems)...changed the (primary) date--because they care so much about YOU?...They did it to benefit THEMSELVES by ensuring that the DLC-sanctioned Dem nominee could prevail. They don't like the DNC for the same reason why they don't like Obama--a little progressive-minded for the comfort of their corporate backers...
(link)

...You can rest assured that Dean sees this situation for what it is--nothing more than a DLC coup attempt against the DNC faction of the party.
(link)


:headbang:
rocknation
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:02 PM
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5. I suspect most people would say "wha?"
It would only mean something to those who knew or cared about the internal workings of the Democratic Party.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:03 PM
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6. Yes, it would be a bad idea.
Despite the fact that it's true. The DLC vs. DNC issue is too "inside baseball" for regular voters.
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:07 PM
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9. that's what I thought
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:05 PM
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7. The campaign wont have to, she wil when she loses the nom and raises the DLC as the real
Democratic party versus the DNC, that is whee the DLC has been taking it all along, the loss of teh Dem nod removes all stops on the full DLC coup of the party
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:18 PM
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16. I agree. They started this in 2003 when they went after Howard Dean.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01EED71F3FF93AA15754C0A9659C8B63">Centrist Democrats Warn Party Not to Present Itself as 'Far Left'
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:33 PM
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25. PLAGIARIST!
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 05:17 PM by rocknation
I wrote this on March 6:

...(Howard Dean) knows perfectly well that (moving the MI/FL primary dates)...is a coup attempt against the more progressive end of the Dem party in general and against him in particular...

:headbang:
rocknation
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:08 PM
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10. No, there is already enough division. Stick with the issues, and individuals
voting record and views

I think it would be a very bad mistake to set groups against each other, i.e., DLC vs DNC

though I believe the DLC was only good for the party I don't think we should go there
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:10 PM
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11. Yes.
Obama's positions are too close to the progressive policy institute for that to be successful. He's been more successful denying any affiliation with the dlc, while adopting many of their positions.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:12 PM
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13. I think it would be a bad idea
Growing the party through inclusion is Obama's theme, not dividing it. Average voters wouldn't know what this is all about anyways.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:14 PM
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14. He's got some DLCers on his side though...
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:20 PM
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17. And I'm sure that they are grtting an ear full for it.
I think that Kerry saw this, and that's why he stepped out early for Barack IMO.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:17 PM
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15. A lot of people would have no idea what you're talking about
Most folks aren't political junkies like us.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:33 PM
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18. And there you have it.
People on DU, even, often confuse the two.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:14 PM
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20. Yes, it would, most people see the party as one Party
and the subtleties of the DNC and DLC would be perplexing.

Plus, it just seems internally divisive.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:16 PM
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21. Not a good idea.
1). Most people don't understand the distinction (as has been pointed out in this thread)

2). The GOP could capitalize on this ignorance as proof that Obama is a raging liberal who is unwilling to support even moderate Democrats (and certainly wouldn't reach across the aisle to Republicans, etc.)...
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:18 PM
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22. It's the truth, isn't it. Set truth free.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:20 PM
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23. It would be stupid
considering there's not a dime's worth of difference between him and Clinton on policy matters.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:24 PM
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24. well it wouldn't get any coverage unless they had Rev Wrigtht say it
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:35 PM
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26. No.
Half of the people on DU who claim to hate he Clintons can't even tell the difference between the DLC and the DNC. I don't think the public at large will understand. Or care.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:41 PM
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27. As a proud DLC hater and basher--it's not a good time....
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 04:43 PM by tokenlib
...for the moment grassroots is trumping top down--so we can postpone that battle. The masses have enough to understand right now--before we throw that at them. And I think the DLC is losing influence right now anyhow--their frustration is helping fuel the current firefight.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:01 PM
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28. Americans would never understand.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:09 PM
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29. It's true what you say, DNC vs DLC. But most of Americans don't get that.
Now is not the time to bring it forth, I've tried to explain this to my sister and mother, who are both pro-Clinton. They don't get it. All they see is a chance to shove a FEMALE! Democrat down the pubs throat. Neither has internet connections.

~It is a vast disconnect~
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:41 PM
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30. Better to frame it as bottom up vs. top down- which is the same thing. n/t
n/t
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