You know what the real problem with Hillary is?

It has nothing to do with her being a woman. Or a former first lady. Or intelligent. Or a fighter.

It is that she doesn't seem to be able to discern friend from foe.

She does know how to fight and she knows how to play nice, but she so often gets things wrong that it is hard to trust her judgment.

She seems to be under the impression that she is really running against Obama in a general election setting. The policy differences between Hillary and Obama are not so great that it justifies destruction of your opponent and in the long run, it turns off those who currently support other candidates in the primaries. Obama is not a republican and yet you would think that Hillary doesn't really know that. Instead of trying to win support from those who support Obama, she seems to believe the way to win is by casting him as not viable rather than casting herself as the better choice. In the process, she has demeaned the very people she should be trying to court.

It's sort of a fair-weathered friend scenario that Clinton projects. Murdoch and the insurance companies have been playing nice to her and now she thinks of them as her allies whereas long before any of the liberal radio hosts were openly picking their candidates, she was snubbing them.

She speaks of McCain in fairly positive terms, whereas she really should be treating McCain like she does Obama and treating Obama like she does McCain. With the tactics she is using, it makes us question her loyalty to the party and our principles.

I hear lots of people say how mean the Obama supporters have been toward Sen. Clinton, but really, they are the fruits of her own labor. In treating people who support Obama as just a bunch of star-struck buffoons, she forgot that she NEEDS us more than we need her and we are giving her back her dismissive attitude with interest.

I don't mind having someone who is a fighter, but she is playing the pit bull against the wrong people and if she doesn't know when to be a leader or charmer and when to be a pit bull that takes no prisoners, then we have to ask ourselves if she is really the personality that should be leading our party and country. Can she be trusted to listen to the very people who's support she will need to effective lead this country? Will there be anyone left but the sycophants surrounding her if she wins?

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Not anymore though, I suspect.

She has not only done much of this dem on dem bashing against Mr Obama or supporters of his campaign, but she has also slashed and burned and all but Blamed Mr Dean and the DNC the heart of the party as being against her.

The analysis stands correct on its face she doesn't know who her friends are and that is the bigger framing into why she will not stop at damgaging her opponent as she tries to win but the very Democratic party and the fall election are fair targets for her too.

Its her against all, except her supporters, so with us or die mentality, it will not prevail.

....She is fighting a war when she should be competing.

More like Demand support.

And there is only going to be one person left after the Primary battle is over. That person will have withstood every conceivable test imaginable in an election campaign setting and will be VERY prepared to face Senator McCain in the General Election.

Both campaigns and supporters of both have been using the "scorched earth" approach to this Primary and it will make for a better chance to win the November elections. Better WE do it now and get the answers that America needs to vote correctly or the GOP will do it and tell America to vote for them.

We've been playing "GOTCHA" politics on an endless loop since Nixon.

And each cycle that comes around gets more vicious than the last.

The civilized world is passing us by and evolving while we are destroying ourselves.

We have an opportunity to break that vicious circle.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

When more Americans turn off the TV and read a few books then we might be able to change the way politics is played. But if TV/Radio is the only source of information to a voter then the "GOTCHA" style of politics will stay in vogue. People ARE smartening up and there is evidence that "GOTCHA" is losing some of it's effect but it's still a long row to hoe.

We have to stop treating politics as a bloodsport NOW because at the rate we are going, it probably will be a bloodsport.

Quite honestly, she didn't start to fight at all until it became glaringly obvious that she actually wasn't going to cakewalk to the nomination. Perhaps her tactics are the tactics of playing a desperate game of catch up in what she believed was going to be simple.

Which again makes me question who she is surrounding herself with.

She has lived in a bubble for the last 20 years. In the vernacular, one could say that she is believing her own press releases, but the only ones she really read were filtered to her and it has clouded her ability to understand how to fight an effective primary.

The general election is the fight to the death and that's where the tactics belong. The primary however is more like a dance where one courts rather than destroys.

She's wrong.

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Hillary Clinton is an opponent in this primary, not the enemy.

She may have forgotten who is who, but we shouldn't.

Her own campaign will yield the reward it deserves.

And from all evidence we've seen. Praising McCain, Bill saying months ago that a Hillary/McCain contest would be so very friendly...

From all that, it seems she is not going to ever go after McCain, even in a possible GE.

She'll throw the kitchen sink at Obama, and do nothing against McCain, because they want it to be such a nice campaign.

since when has the GOP ever given us a nice campaign?