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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:18 PM
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Damning: Hillary's sniper fire and NAFTA lies explored
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 11:30 PM by ProSense
UPDATE: She Is SO Screwed: Tuzla NAFTA Perfect Storm Forming

Videos from above link:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/25/223848/497/804/484307">CBS: "Can you trust what she says?"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/25/223848/497/804/484307">MSNBC Questions Clinton's Truthiness, Says She Was Pro-NAFTA

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/25/223848/497/804/484307">ABC: Clinton Digging In, Exaggerating Truth


Video: Hillary Clinton in support of NAFTA

Audio from 1996: Hillary's full comment (at about 20:50 mins.)



Hillary and her campaign's defiance show she intentionally lied!


No wonder the Hillary camp is desperately looking for a distraction!



edited title, removed extra word
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:20 PM
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1. CBS hit her really hard on this issue
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:13 AM
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18. Yep - Obama's lie about not hearing Wrights sermons is forgotten
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:14 PM
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40. Already debunked ad infinitum, plagiarist.
NT!

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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:20 PM
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54. That was only alleged and never proven.
However, Hillary's lies about Tuzla have been absolutely, clearly proven.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:50 AM
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74. Let's see if any of this comes up in next week's debate. n/t
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:21 PM
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2. The CBS report today was hard-core. Called her ass out.
Thanks for the additional links. We need to push the NAFTA lies. I heard quite a bit about this on Tweety tonight (not that he's an Obama friend)--I'd like to see more MSM coverage of this, particularly before PA, before she can dupe the voters there.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:22 PM
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3. HRC is going "On the Record" (FOX) tomorrow to take on "softballs" from Greta
Van Sustren. When Bill Clinton appeared on her show a couple of weeks ago it was a love fest.

Oh it should be grand: throwing Obama, his FORMER reverend and the entire congregation of Trinity Church of Christ (branches all over the USA) "under the bus." :(
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:58 PM
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11. Howard Dean is a member of UCC
:patriot:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:23 PM
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4. Would you buy a used car from Senator Clinton?
the next debate will be very interesting!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:29 PM
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5. If it meant she was selling cars instead of fucking up our politics, you bet!
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:09 AM
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17. Sign me up to, if thats what it takes!
I'm looking for a subcompact with good mileage, in decent shape...
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:30 PM
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6. The media loves him- what can we say?
Except they're crossing from journalism to eitorials.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:43 PM
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7. Here comes the whine: Hillary is a victim!
She's a victim of her own lies, and she has gotten away with telling some of them for years.



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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:53 PM
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Nope just the plain truth. Sometimes being victimized is not being
a victim. I doubt she sees herself that way.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:32 AM
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19. Hillary and Bill both whine. The media didn't make Hillary lie repeatedly. Timeline:
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 08:32 AM by ProSense
Several years to present: Hillary lies and gets away with it.

Early 2008: Hillary's lies begin to be exposed; Hillary insists she's not lying. "Shame on you Barack Obama."

March 2008: Audio, video and extensive news reports and documentation, including her own words and records, show her accounts to be false.

Hours later: Hillary scoffs at the accusations! Surrogates are deployed to denounce critics.

Days later: Hillary claims she made one mistake in 12 years because she was tired.

Hours later: Hillary snidely asserts it's no big deal, claiming that she's human despite what some people think.


Hillary is a pathetic person!





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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:54 PM
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66. have some more whine
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/ AR2008032902031.html

Obama Overstates Kennedys' Role in Helping His Father

Addressing civil rights activists in Selma, Ala., a year ago, Sen. Barack Obama traced his "very existence" to the generosity of the Kennedy family, which he said paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and thus meet his Kansan mother.

The Camelot connection has become part of the mythology surrounding Obama's bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. After Caroline Kennedy endorsed his candidacy in January, Newsweek commentator Jonathan Alter reported that she had been struck by the extraordinary way in which "history replays itself" and by how "two generations of two families -- separated by distance, culture and wealth -- can intersect in strange and wonderful ways."

It is a touching story -- but the key details are either untrue or grossly oversimplified.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:03 AM
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14. eitorials............nuff said
dude, that is not even phonetic, unless you are sticky D
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:07 AM
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30. WRONG. All of the things listed in the OP were self-inflicted.
STOP MAKING EXCUSES. She has lied repeatedly, and it's disgusting.

And the worst part? She didn't HAVE to lie. She didn't NEED to lie.

It makes me sick.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:11 PM
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35. Hillary will try to deflect blame. n/t
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:53 PM
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8. Wow. The CBS footage where she gets farther on the
limb in each subsequent recount is really bad.

Every iteration is a slight embellishment until eventually the incident is unrecognizable.

Its like she is playing the old game "telephone" with herself.

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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:58 PM
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10. talk about lies- Wright went to visit Qaddafi w/ hero Farrak*hn
and lied about that.

hmmm....Qaddafi....Pan Am flight 103 blown up fours years later by convictd Libyan's, Farrak*an wins a Trumpet mag award from the Wright family owned mag and he lies about it?

I guess Qaddafi didn't fire on him w/snipers- is that correct?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:59 PM
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12. I thought Qaddafi was Bush's best friend now?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:11 PM
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24. What does that have to do with Obama? Should Hillary denounce Maya Angelou?
Many of Farrakhan’s public comments are disgusting, but this is tripe even by Cohen’s own lamentable standards. Just as he did in the case of Angelou, Cohen acknowledged that “nothing in Obama’s record suggests he harbors anti-Semitic views.” He then goes on to smear Obama by (indirect) association with Farrakhan and says that if Obama doesn’t speak out against Farrakhan, the candidate will confirm Cohen’s suspicions that he has no “mettle” and “that he is a fog of a man.”

Beyond the smear job, Cohen might want to go back and read his column on Angelou, in which he generously forgave Jesse Jackson and Congressman Charles Rangel for speaking at the Million Man March. But, he wrote, “Angelou was a different matter. She is no politician or political leader. She would not have suffered at the polls if she told Farrakhan to get into his flying saucer and get the hell off the National Mall.”

“Cohen,” I wrote back in 2006, “can be an absolutely fierce bulldog—when he’s attacking soft targets like Louis Farrakhan, suicide bombers, or Nazis.” If nothing else, the man is predictable.

link


Should Hillary denounce Charlie Rangel?

The Hillary camp's BS hypocrisy is astounding!


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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:25 PM
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42. You support a liar. Your own lies are automatically discounted.
NT!

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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:57 PM
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9. She even lies about lying about the trip
note in the CBS report she says that there was this girl there to read a poem so she couldn't just rush past her to the armored car that was waiting...

But the video tells a different story, she is seen doing a reception line with the soldiers, shaking hands and talking to each one in the line... and then there was a whole CLASS of school girls that came out to greet her and do a photo op.

And then there is the video of the number of times she has "misspoke" (lied her ass off).

It wasn't because of a restless night or even the rigors of the campaign... she has been telling this particular line of bullshit since the campaign started. But she lies again by blaming the lie on being tired.

Lie upon lie upon lie. Yup, she is as qualified to be President as the current one... and perhaps the previous one too.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:59 PM
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13. Disavows trumps mis-spoke- every time n/t
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:07 AM
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15. Wow, that's some seriously bad publicity for her.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:57 AM
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20. Earned! n/t
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:08 AM
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16. The CBS footage is damaging (NT)
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:16 PM
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53. Sure won't see it on Morning Joe nt
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:26 AM
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21. K & R
:thumbsup:
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:27 AM
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22. K & R ...n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:21 PM
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23. Adding to the collection:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:58 PM
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25. After all the lies, looks like Hillary's donors
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 05:59 PM by ProSense
are threatening to pull a Lieberman if they don't get their way.





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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:59 PM
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26. She gore'd herself.
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 06:05 PM by anonymous171
Up to now everyone has been trusting her claims. Now the media is going to take it all apart, piece by piece.

EDIT: Nothing against Al Gore. In his case, the RW used the "created the internet" smear (that never happened) and the media swallowed it to make Gore look like a compulsive liar. Gore was NOT a liar and should NEVER be considered one. Thankyou.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:02 PM
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27. Gore doesn't deserved to have his name used as a verb with negative connotation, and definitely
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 06:04 PM by ProSense
not in correlation to lying repeatedly.

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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:24 AM
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62. Thank you. I agree. Now back to our movie, "Liar, Liar". n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:13 PM
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28. Love the talking point: Hillary has always been so careful...
about not getting caught in her lies?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:04 AM
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29. While pushing phony claims against Obama and invoking Wright, Hillary wants us to drop the Bosnia

Hillary: Bosnia Sniper Flap Not What Voters Want To Be Talking About

By Eric Kleefeld - March 27, 2008, 8:58AM

Hillary Clinton said in a Fox News interview shown last night that the flap over her trip to Bosnia, and previous statements that she had come under sniper fire, are not what voters want to be talking about — a sign that she recognizes the seriousness of the problems at hand, and is doing a media tour to control the damage.

"I'm a human being. I made a mistake and owned up to it," Hillary told Greta Van Susteren. "But that's not what people talk to me about. When I'm out campaigning ... people want to talk about the economy and health care, and they want to know what are you going to do to get fix our country and get it back on track, and help my family and me.

"And that what I'm really engaged in. Because, you know, when you've been on a campaign for 14 months there's all kinds of other distractions, but at the end of the day this is a hiring decision," she said.



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:25 PM
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41. Oh yes we do, hilary. . and we don't want
to be talking about Pastor Wright anymore. We want to talk about why you lied and a female Soldier who was in Bosnia with you is accusing you of "Theft of Valor"..

<snip>

"A veteran of Bosnia who was at the event in Tuzla where Hillary Clinton falsely claimed to have landed under sniper fire is accusing the Senator of theft of valor. As General Walter L. Stewart Jr. of the Pennsylvania National Guard said earlier today on a conference call, soldiers who actually have been in war zones and performed under fire deeply despise those who falsely claim such valor. They feel this way because it attempts to cheapen or make less, their real and actual valor."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5265534
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:29 PM
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43. You didn't make a mistake, clinton. You lied. We know it. You know it.
Just.

Stop.

LYING.

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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:16 AM
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31. Prosense, I'm glad your posting links instead of lengthy articles
This way I'm more interested in reading. When your posts are long, I just kind of bypass them. This way I can pick which link I want to read. That being said, these issues are what I call fish issues. Yesterday, Carl Rove compared Obama and Clinton's tall tales and made a grocery list of Obama's tall tales and a lot I never even heard of. He was saying both are equal in not telling the truth. Now, before you scream at me for posting Rove, the only reason I watched him was because Van Susteren(sp) interviewed Hillary for about 45 minutes then following the interview Rove was on. I have to say, Rove is gonna be in the middle of this election cycle but behind the scenes. I'm concerned about him whether it's Hillary or Obama as the nominee.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:22 PM
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32. Wow, talk about trying to cover for Hillary
March 27, 2008, 12:48 pm

Krazy Glue Moments

By Matt Bai

Why do some political missteps haunt their candidates forever, while others are easily put to rest? John Kerry saying he voted for the war before he voted against it, or Howard Dean screeching on a stage in Iowa, instantly becomes the stuff of political history, but when George W. Bush admits that he was once arrested for driving under the influence, it immediately fades into obscurity. Some politicians, as they used to say of Ronald Reagan, seem coated in Teflon, while others seem covered in Krazy Glue, unable to shake the stickiness of what seem like minor embarrassments.

<...>

Then there’s Mr. Obama, who followed up his speech on race and his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, by asserting, in an interview, that his racist grandmother was a “typical white person.” Mr. Obama went on to clarify his meaning, suggesting that white Americans have been shaped by common experience with race, but the sound bite was ugly. Mr. Obama has presented himself to the electorate chiefly as a bridge between races and political cultures, a harbinger of the end of identity politics, but his struggle to explain the racial attitudes of his own family and friends has to complicate that message. In the wake of his Philadelphia speech, Mr. Obama seemed to right himself among Democrats in national tracking polls, but the controversy could continue to resonate with white, independent voters, revealing its effects in the months ahead.

Finally, we have the story of Hillary Clinton and her bullet-dodging landing in Bosnia in 1996, which turns out to have been, in fact, a perilous descent into untruth. Mrs. Clinton has used the words “strength” and “experience” so often during the course of her campaign that they might as well be tattooed onto her knuckles. Her essential argument is that, unlike Mr. Obama, she has the foreign policy credentials to go up against Mr. McCain and win — a claim that has been dismissed by critics who assert that being first lady isn’t remotely like being secretary of defense. Fair or not, those critics got a real boost when it was revealed that at least one of her claims from that period was, at best, misremembered.

The Bosnia flap undermined Mrs. Clinton’s case for experience at a moment when she is desperately trying to convince her party’s superdelegates that she is the only Democrat who can win. Perhaps worse, though, the controversy played perfectly into an anti-Clinton narrative that Mr. Obama has peddled — namely, that Clintons, both of them, will say or do anything to win. (Exit polls from the Mississippi primary showed that half the voters questioned Mrs. Clinton’s integrity.) Even should she manage to snatch the nomination away at this late date, she can expect to run up against that same indictment from Mr. McCain in the fall, along with ads repeating her statements about Bosnia and the non-existent snipers. In other words, that one could be


First of all, Kerry never said anything about voting for the war before voting against it. Second, "typical white person"?

"Finally, we have the story of Hillary Clinton and her bullet-dodging landing in Bosnia in 1996..."?

What the hell does the two former misrepresentaions by the writer (Bai) have to do with Hillary's repeated lies?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 03:25 PM
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33. Watching implosion happen!
It's amazing!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:19 PM
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34. TPMtv: Summa Bosniatica
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com">TPMtv: Summa Bosniatica


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:12 PM
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36. Here is Hillary's campaign falsely accusing Obama of making a false statement
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 06:13 PM by ProSense
Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign was quick to send out an e-mail accusing Mr. Obama of making false statements in his ad, saying he has received more than $160,000 from the oil and gas companies.

Phil Singer, deputy communications director for Mrs. Clinton, put out this statement: “It’s unfortunate that Senator Obama is using false advertising to explain why he can be trusted to do something about energy prices. Senator Obama says he doesn’t take campaign contributions from oil companies, but the reality is that Exxon Mobil, Shell and others are among his donors. I wonder if they’ll fix the ad.”

Mr. Singer shouldn’t hold his breath. Bill Burton, press secretary for the Obama campaign, reaffirmed the ad’s message, saying “Senator Obama is the only candidate in the race who doesn’t accept campaign contributions from special interests PACs and Washington lobbyists, and that includes oil companies and oil lobbyists.”

“The energy bill that Senator Clinton has already been criticized for misrepresenting — one that Clinton supporters Representatives Murtha and Kanjorski also backed — actually raised taxes on oil companies and made the largest investment in renewable energy in our nation’s history,” said Mr. Burton in a statement. “Instead of continuing with the negative and misleading tactics that voters everywhere are rejecting, Senator Clinton should get behind the Obama plan to ease the burden of rising gas prices on working families.”

link


Where are her tax returns!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 09:12 PM
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37. Wow!
Op-Ed Columnist

Hillary’s St. Patrick’s Day Massacre

By FRANK RICH
Published: March 30, 2008

MOST politicians lie. Most people over 50, as I know all too well, misremember things. So here is the one compelling mystery still unresolved about Hillary Clinton’s Bosnia fairy tale: Why did she keep repeating this whopper for nearly three months, well after it had been publicly debunked by journalists and eyewitnesses?

<...>

In January, after Senator Clinton first inserted the threat of “sniper fire” into her stump speech, Elizabeth Sullivan of The Cleveland Plain Dealer wrote that the story couldn’t be true because by the time of the first lady’s visit in March 1996, “the war was over.” Meredith Vieira asked Mrs. Clinton on the “Today” show why, if she was on the front lines, she took along a U.S.O. performer like Sinbad. Earlier this month, a week before Mrs. Clinton fatefully rearmed those snipers one time too many, Sinbad himself spoke up to The Washington Post: “I think the only ‘red phone’ moment was: Do we eat here or at the next place?”

Yet Mrs. Clinton was undeterred. She dismissed Sinbad as a “comedian” and recycled her fiction once more on St. Patrick’s Day. When Michael Dobbs fact-checked it for The Post last weekend and proclaimed it worthy of “four Pinocchios,” her campaign pushed back. The Clinton camp enforcer Howard Wolfson phoned in to “Morning Joe” on MSNBC Monday and truculently quoted a sheaf of news stories that he said supported her account. Only later that day, a full week after her speech, did he start to retreat, suggesting it was “possible” she “misspoke” in the “most recent instance” of her retelling of her excellent Bosnia adventure.

<...>

...The Drudge Report’s link to the YouTube iteration of the CBS News piece transformed it into a cultural phenomenon reaching far beyond a third-place network news program’s nightly audience. It had more YouTube views than the inflammatory Wright sermons, more than even the promotional video of Britney Spears making her latest “comeback” on a TV sitcom. It was as this digital avalanche crashed down that Mrs. Clinton, backed into a corner, started offering the alibi of “sleep deprivation” and then tried to reignite the racial fires around Mr. Wright.

The Clinton campaign’s cluelessness about the Web has been apparent from the start, and not just in its lagging fund-raising. Witness the canned Hillary Web “chats” and “Hillcasts,” the soupy Web contest to choose a campaign song (the winner, an Air Canada advertising jingle sung by Celine Dion, was quickly dumped), and the little-watched electronic national town-hall meeting on the eve of Super Tuesday. Web surfers have rejected these stunts as the old-school infomercials they so blatantly are...

more



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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:12 PM
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38. Quite an interesting take on this. Definitely, we've already
noted and discussed the outdated campaign organization and tactics, but the speculation about motives for lying was interesting. It still doesn't make sense to me, though. I just cannot imagine how she thought she would get away with it. It boggles.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:13 PM
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39. Kick against her bald-faced lies!
NT!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:39 PM
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45. Here's my question: Why did Hillary repeatedly lie? n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:50 PM
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46. So you support a proven liar because the other hasn't committed to overturning NAFTA?
I mean, I oppose NAFTA too, but I oppose bald-faced liars more - especially liars who *support* NAFTA.

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:54 PM
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47. ~*~..
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:57 PM
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48. .
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:04 PM
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49. my post was non political....typical Obamabot
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:07 PM
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50. Did you recognize the monster under the bed? n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:08 PM
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51. no I am blind!
:eyes:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 11:15 PM
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52. Acknowledgment is the first step! n/t
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:28 AM
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63. LoL!! n/t
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:13 AM
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60. Over 4000 men and women killed in the Iraq War that Hillary refuses to apologize for.
Just like Bush!

Are you blind to that, too?

Fake sniper fire in Bosnia.

Are you blind to that, too?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:30 AM
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55. And the McCain campaign gets another free attack ad for its 527s!
Its time for the democratic circular firing squad of a "nomination process" to come to an end. Now.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:35 AM
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56. Sad to see DUers abetting the media in its latest feeding frenzy. I thought y'all were Democrats...
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 06:36 AM by Perry Logan
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:10 AM
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58. Cut the "y'all" crap - that fake accent bullshit is Bubba's trademark.
Y'all will have to start paying him royalties.

LoL
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:11 AM
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59. Na. Bubba's trademark is Worst President Ever™.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:36 AM
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57. Thats great
They need to expose her damn lies over NAFTA. I can't believe all the blue collar workers voting for Hillary cause they think she actually gives a damn about the working class! What a joke!

She and every other DLC'er helped Bill ram NAFTA down our throats and crowed about it for years!

But now she is the champion of blue collar workers?!:puke:

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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:19 AM
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61. Oh my - I hadn't seen that CBS piece, that's quite a blow.
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 08:17 AM by ecdab
I can not figure out why Hillary wouldn't at least watch the whole video and make sure her statements going forward were in-line with it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:09 PM
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71. Because Democrats owe her the nomination. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:47 PM
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64. How's that working out:



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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:50 PM
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65. some more explorations....
Just Embellished Words: Senator Obama’s Record of Exaggerations & Misstatements
Once again, the Obama campaign is getting caught saying one thing while doing another. They are personally attacking Hillary even though Sen. Obama has been found mispeaking and embellishing facts about himself more than ten times in recent months. Senator Obama’s campaign is based on words –not a record of deeds – and if those words aren’t backed up by facts, there’s not much else left.

"Senator Obama has called himself a constitutional professor, claimed credit for passing legislation that never left committee, and apparently inflated his role as a community organizer among other issues. When it comes to his record, just words won't do. Senator Obama will have to use facts as well," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.

Sen. Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor. The Sun-Times reported that, "Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter." In academia, there's a significant difference: professors have tenure while lecturers do not.

Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed. "Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was 'the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.' 'I just did that last year,' he said, to murmurs of approval. A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks. Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate."

Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. "Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: 'I meant the whole civil rights movement.'"

LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. "As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld's asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir 'Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.' Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book."

Chicago Tribune: Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "…Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos."

Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House.' "White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday -- a flat declaration that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House' after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions… After being challenged on the accuracy of what he has been saying -- in contrast to his written pledge -- at a news conference Saturday in Waterloo, Obama immediately softened what had been his hard line in his next stump speech."

FactCheck.org: 'Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama's health plan.' "Obama's ad touting his health care plan quotes phrases from newspaper articles and an editorial, but makes them sound more laudatory and authoritative than they actually are. It attributes to The Washington Post a line saying Obama's plan would save families about $2,500. But the Post was citing the estimate of the Obama campaign and didn't analyze the purported savings independently. It claims that "experts" say Obama's plan is "the best." "Experts" turn out to be editorial writers at the Iowa City Press-Citizen – who, for all their talents, aren't actual experts in the field. It quotes yet another newspaper saying Obama's plan "guarantees coverage for all Americans," neglecting to mention that, as the article makes clear, it's only Clinton's and Edwards' plans that would require coverage for everyone, while Obama's would allow individuals to buy in if they wanted to.”

Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. "As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care…And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage." The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that "The Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. <…> In its original form, the bill required the state to offer universal health care by 2007. That put a 'cloud' over the legislation, said Sen. Dale Righter, R-Mattoon. Under the latest version, the 29-member task force would hold at least five public hearings next year."

ABC News: 'Obama…seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made' on ethics reform. "ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: During Monday's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he has made on disclosure of "bundlers," those individuals who aggregate their influence with the candidate they support by collecting $2,300 checks from a wide network of wealthy friends and associates. When former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel alleged that Obama had 134 bundlers, Obama responded by telling Gravel that the reason he knows how many bundlers he has raising money for him is "because I helped push through a law this past session to disclose that." Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates for whom they bundle. Obama's amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What's more, although Obama's amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never became law as Obama seemed to suggest. Gravel and the rest of the public know how many bundlers Obama has not because of a 'law' that the Illinois Democrat has 'pushed through' but because Obama voluntarily discloses that information."

Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance. "When Sen. Barack Obama exaggerated the death toll of the tornado in Greensburg, Kan, during his visit to Richmond yesterday, The Associated Press headline rapidly evolved from 'Obama visits former Confederate capital for fundraiser’ to ‘Obama rips Bush on Iraq war at Richmond fundraiser' to 'Weary Obama criticizes Bush on Iraq, drastically overstates Kansas tornado death toll' to 'Obama drastically overstates Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.' Drudge made it a banner, ensu
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 07:57 PM
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67. Pretty certain you already know that's debunked garbage Hillary is floating. n/t
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:45 PM
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68. K&R
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:01 PM
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69. Another little girl grows up and debunks Hillary
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:45 AM
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70. Hillary Clinton's NAFTA Story Exposed
Video: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/1/85359/24244/36/488126">Hillary Clinton's NAFTA Story Exposed


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:27 PM
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72. Clinton Jokes About Her Tuzla Tale
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:34 PM
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73. The saga continues:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:53 AM
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75. Spam
That's the extra word that was removed, probably.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:00 AM
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76. kick for great info
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