To My Good Friends at DU

I have been a member in good standing since July 12, 2005 with 4749 posts. Not once in my travels here on DU have I even received a mod warning. I usually posted in GD, but for the past few months, since the primaries began, I started posting mostly in the GDP Forum. I am a former Edwards supporter turned vocal Hillary supporter. The Hillary supporters such as myself have been outnumbered there for months. There has been a campaign to let all Hillary threads sink, it’s called the Let It Sink strategy. I have been pm’d by some using vulgar language which I have alerted on and blocked those posters from pm’ing me further. I have only once pm’d another poster asking why they were spamming all of my replies with ridiculous quotes they thought I had written. Come to find out they were wrong. It was another poster, not me.

Then a week or so ago, I learned that I was on a top ten hit list. I learned that some of my fellow DUers had an active campaign to have me TS’d from DU. I was also listed on a mass ignore list (along with many other Hillary supporters) so they could manipulate the board along with their Let It Sink strategy, so Hillary supporters would have absolutely no voice.

So, me and some other Hillary supporters decided to strike GDP for a week. The strike will be over next Tuesday. I don’t know why it has received all the bru ha ha it has, because many of the posters who wanted us gone had received their one wish, atleast for a week. They didn’t have to see our posts any longer. I have always intended to come back and post, because I have not given up on DU and wanted to stay in touch with many of my friends after this primary season is over.

In the meantime, I joined another Hillary supporters group with some other DUers. It is not a DU bashing board, it is an active site with many posts in support of Hillary and Obama news. There is one forum called DU Watch where we do discuss some of the threads posted here about Hillary. So, I guess it wasn’t good enough that I decided to take a break. Because, I have not been left alone there either. They have reprinted a post of mine from that other board, in GDP, where I was planning my “malicious” “spamming” return. Want to know what that plan was? It was to kick some old posts we made. Jesus what a poor disruptor I am. So it wasn’t good enough to just try and run me off of DU, I can now look forward to these posters tracking down my every internet move.

I am writing this to beg and plead with the more level headed supporters on both sides to stop this personal shit. I can take bashing candidates, but this has gone to far and this needs to be stopped. DUers young and old who see this for what it is should take a stand and not let it happen.

That's messed up...I used to post on the ESPN NBA Board and troll activity got so bad they literally had to shut the board down...Troll activity grew so bad that even a company like Disney, the parent company of ESPN couldn't stop it...

Some trolls were even able to identify a poster through his MySpace and find out his home telephone number... They would call at all hours of the night and even make suggestive remarks when his daughters picked up the phone...They created a false Wikipedia profile of him that said he was a child predator...Of course, it didn't last long...

But none of the trolls had the balls to go to where the guy lived and confront him...Trolls are basically cowards...

:thumbsup:

:yourock:

The thread is locked:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5301901

Bigotry:

stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigotry

That thread just oozed hatred and it involved most of the louder core Obama supporters and revealed their hate of not just Hillary but her supporters as well.

It feels like there are three republicans in this race, God help the Democratic party.

to some of them that is very disturbing.

Perhaps a better word could be used. I'm an Obama supporter and I think any supporter of either candidate would consider themselves to be a "core" supporter. It's never a good thing to stereotype people.

I just don't understand why people refuse to just use the Ignore function. I do this for some of the most nasty/vocal on both sides.

know one thing. Win at any cost. Not good for the candidates, not good for America.

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hard enough time following my own thought processes. Sheesh.

The personal swipes at DU members is non-productive and distracting.

I hope that all the true Democrats can find a place here at DU, now and especially when we have a Nominee. We are going to need to work together and have "all hands on deck" to battle the goppers-smear machine. Most of all we need to re-create the DU community into a place for Democrats to share ideas, information and strengthen each other.

I can totally understand the want to create an outside DU Hillary board, much information gets lost due to the heated nature of GD: P.

Hope you come back, and that we can have more productive conversations.

That's messed up and juvenile...

posted a paste.
how pathetic is that?

probably very hurtful.

..stalking

I missed you.

I hope people (the minority of nasties) bother to read your thoughtful message before doing the usual.

Respect to you.

And to ALL dems and DUers who realize we have two GREAT candidates for president. (And I say that knowing full well I have posted hard things about Obama because I do not think he is our best candidate.)

please stay on strike until you stop doing that.

If she did I will join you in the condemnation.

Can you please provide me a citation?

Thank you in advance.

"why didn't Obama attend Easter Services", "he was in Chicago the morning of the sermon" (which he wasn't), "why won't (Obama) help his gramamma? (lives in a tiny hut in Kenya)",who brings their children to church with a gyrating pastor?, etc.

the OP's posts over time have made me less likely to vote for HRC, not more.

and the posts are not pro-Hillary, just anti Obama.

That's messed up...

:banghead:

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it is called 'The fallacy of Ad Hominem"

I mean, you do practice what you preach, right?

legitimate, well-sourced criticism is fine. just like right wing statements saying Hillary killed Vince Foster are crap. saying her Iraq vote was wrong is different.

but apparently it's you that cannot differentiate between well-founded criticism and rumormongering.

...put your own "house" in order.

And damn be all smears of all kinds.
(Although the temptation to tit-for-tat is almost irresistible when faced with the torrent of rw and lw smears on Clinton. Not to mention the re-writing of democratic history in the tunes of the GOP)

(Oh! and btw - your candidate stews raw halal kittens, after drinking blood and after putting two of his own grannies under a mud bus full of pastoring uncles.

My candidate of choice prefers her kittens stewed with prunes after strangling them herself.)

Having a picture of a couple at a table, and criticizing a health care mandate, NOT UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, does not equal a Harry and Louise attack. If it was a different picture, nothing would've been brought up, which shows how shallow this meme against Obama is.

Obama supports universal health care, too. The Clinton camp has just worked hard to make "universal" and "mandated" mean the same, so any attack on her plan can be seen as an attack on universal health care, even though Obama's plan supports it too.

Are some Clinton supporters missing from DU?

I'm serious --- I haven't noticed a shortage of Pro-Hillary Clintons posts, and it looks like the Hillary Clinton supporters are still here. Have I missed something?

n/t

I voted on Super Tuesday. I will vote for the Democratic candidate in November. Why should I waste my time reading that dreck ?

I come here to catch up on news articles I may have missed and for the rational discussions - those posters I have on Ignore don't provide either

Not sure if you were on here yesterday or not. I noticed it. There weren't too many Hillary supporters posting things - some things here and there.

The "Let it Sink" idea was one that i agree with.
I don't find it wrong in the least that supporters of an opposing candidate do not respond to threads that are meant to trash the candidate that they support,instead of posting positive threads for Sen Clinton we see Wright, Rezco, Wright, Michelle hates America, Obama hates his grandma..You see what I mean?
I see these threads as carrying water for the right and I shouldn't have to read them.
It isn't taking away your voice or is it a personal attack to me.
To me it is closer to a sit in, and it is better than flaming over zealous supporters for posting bullshit that is just that Bullshit.
There are no angels here on either side so you should practice let it sink as well.
I get sick of people tearing down another person to improve the standing of their own chosen candidate..It gets fucking old.
And it contributes to the negativity and gloom of this forum...And It chases people away from here..:(

That said..
You have every right to gather and discuss your candidate anywhere..This is America.
If you piss of the Admins or break any rules then they will take care of it
Peace.\

I like the idea behind it.
Although hide thread would probably be a better tool

it simply isn't believable, especially from you. You've posted some of the vilest attacks on Obama and other posters I've seen here.

As far as being a victim of "Let It Sink".. boo hoo? So, we decided we got sick of seeing racist smears on the top of the board and front page, posted by "vocal Hillary supporters" ? So What? Grow up.

There was NO mass ignore list. That was another fallacy/lie of the Hillary supporters in order to play the victim, and you all do it so well.

I'm sorry someone followed you to your board. "one person", one. Not a federal case. But yes, it was in bad taste.

Perhaps you need to stay in the Pro-Hillary Group, where things will be less stressful for you. I know I, for one, don't look forward to any more of your posts and attacks.

I only look forward to the day when NO poster can come here and post their b/s about the Democratic nominee, Barack Obama. It should have been stopped long ago, as it was at Kos and Open Left, et al.

o dear o dear

Of course Obama may win. It would not be an ideal choice for me - far from it. A great disappointment in fact. But certainly better than any GOP candidate.

But he and his supporters do seem to be sore winners. It's a most unattractive trait.
And we see it clearly here on DU.

e.g. Most DUers are for Obama.most posts and posters are pro-Obama. But that does not stop the incessant and sometimes vicious attacks on Clinton and her supporters. Plus the incessant whining about how hard done by they are.

But the real loser is not Hill; it's DU. I used to go to DU to find out what's happening in the world. Now it's just a tedious barrage of threads urging Hillary to step down, or threads on how wonderful, inspiring, exhilarating and charming the Great One is. It's just one big infomercial now. Too bad they aren't selling anything of value.

that GD-P has been overwhelmed by partisans out of their minds. And for the fact that there is a definite bias toward one candidate - sometimes in the face of the facts (who actually will promote change for example). I agree that this board harbors some extraordinarily rabid misogynists not to mention attracts a large number of seriously unpleasant and unsavory trolls.

The main board, however, does remain a good source if you filter out the worst of the commentary.

The election is not over. People are still voting. Obama is not yet the nominee no matter how much you may wish.

:nuke:

You're supposed to have some sort of leverage - something you can use as a barganing tool. Removing yourselves from a forum that you're not wanted on isn't really the most effective tactic if you're trying to change the forum itself. Kthxbai.

Have fun at your new club.

how exciting for us.

However "bad" Obama is - (and I do have real fears and legitimate concerns on some deep democratic issues as well as his ability to actually accomplish anything) - there is NEVER a chance I will vote GOP. Never.

But - you know - Obama does have REAL weaknesses. There is REAL cause for progressive concern. I hope those with influence in his circle can help shape him up.

:shrug:

Did you realize that your "you aren't wanted here" comment is a rules violation? Regardless of individual or group decisions to absent one's self temporarily from GDP or other boards, this is still DU, not Obama Underground, or Chascarrilo's Private Club.

Just thought you might NEED a little reminder.

:kick:

the phantom list

Absolutely fucking crazy.

Stalking people on the web. A new low. On the serious.

take screen prints and alert the MODs

victim complex it seems, spinning things into the strongest most incriminating act possible.

The "Let it sink" is for right wing smears, and trolling. And no, any thread about Hillary isn't automatically seen as a troll. If that is all that Hillary posts are composed of, then I suppose it does apply to all Hillary threads.

among the most skull-shatteringly vapid and histrionic, not to say unbalanced and ridiculous, that can be counted on these boards.

I'm sure you feel the same about mine.

But your call for civility here prompts scorn when you've dished out quite a generous helping of its opposite.

main point of this thread.

It has to do with people getting personal and hating other posters so much, that they resort to personal vindictiveness and cyber stalking.

You dish it out by the metric ton, MassDemm, usually in all-caps with a hail of asterisks.

and you don't condemn and just point fingers at me for some posts I made, which you don't agree with, to obsfucate, it just goes to show that you don't really care and that the means justify the end for you.

and consistently so.

Also, your candidate is losing the nomination race, to which you respond by adding more asterisks to your absurd points.

Hillary on this page. And I have made some provocative posts, but isn't that what this board is suppose to be about?

I make no apologies for any of my posts, I don't care if you think they are shreiking or unstable.

What I care about is being able to voice the opinions, without nuts cyber stalking.

I hope someday, when there is a nut who doesn't like your opinion, you get the same treatment that's been doled out here.

I'm not buying the Hillary-as-Victim argument, now or never.

Your candidate has lost the ground she's lost owing to her conduct.

you refuse to answer, instead obfuscating by changing the subject.

This forces me to assume that you approve of the stalking of Hillary supporters by Obama supporters


Hope my ass!

candidate is losing, and they wish those of us on the winning side would shut up. It really is an idiotic ploy for sympathy, all this nonsense burbling about "stalking."

Now arson -- I'm flatly opposed to that.

Drive-by shootings as well -- call me old-fashioned, but they just upset me.

.

Jim Lehrer, say, or Amy Goodman on various campaign topics, including the use of surrogates for race-baiting.

Feminism is taking quite a hit in moments like that Gibson interview on FOX with Aunt Geraldine.

Surely all democrats are feminists. I would certainly hope so. Why would they not be?
What on earth is your notion of feminism?

children and should be embarrassed by such ridiculous behavior. Apparently I'm not part of the in-crowd because this is the first I've heard about all of this. No "hit list" nor "mass ignore list" has come my way.

You all need to grow up and get a life outside of the "internets."

"DU Watch"? Are you kidding me? Isn't there some other pathetic group of people that also spend time posting about posts on this board?

There is horrible crap posted by both groups of supporters about both candidates and I've seen you participate in it as well.

rational post in this thread.

Not to contradict you dear ElsewheresDaughter, but this year's spring break in Florida shows off clearly the devolution of college kids.

Subject: MassDemm I just don't read posts that the header is negative
Message:
And when people post articles from huffpost or dkos which are anti-Hillary I don't respond, because, the average american, and, the majority of americans get there news from TV like MSNBC, CNN, FOX, etc., not from these news links. Typically, the articles from links on the internet are so opposite of what the person said or twisted that I ignore them. Anyway, glad to see you back. Always remember this:

! ! ! YES WE CAN ! ! !

will be one of those to be held responsible should Obama be the nominee and lose the election.

Shame on you.

You can't say anything in GDP without several nasty counter opinions. Trolls, Reps in Dems clothing, and more. I started posting again in GDP a few days ago. With the crap I'm getting on my opinion posted this morning that I'm entitled too, I won't be in the war zone again for a long while. Other than posting news that must be placed in GDP, don't look for freedom of speech from most sensible DUers.

:hug: warm wishes

1) There is no mass ignore list. I am as an aggressive Obama poster here and no one has PMd me about it. A few guys shared a list.

2) The 'Let it Sink' campaign is not for all Hillary threads but for the most poisonous - here is an example
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4736362

3) None of it should be personal


Look for you coming back - but let me leave you with one final thought. Which side has leaders that are encouraging the kind of bar room brawl that you deplore? Carivelle's Judas attack? Bill Clinton saying he wants even more confrontation and wants it hard and rough? If you can't take a hit get out - put on the pads and go hit somebody??



I am sorry that your candidate has put you in an ackward position of having to defend some pretty weird stuff.

Until you follow your own advice by stopping the "personal shit" then don't ask others to do the same.

I've never written an anti-Hillary thread. And I would encourage you to start there...stop with the anti-Obama crap and maybe ppl would be more open to you.

Lastly, wouldn't posting now defeat the purpose of the strike? Its frankly been alot more peaceful here not seeing Anti-Obama threads all the time and I frankly don't mind if you stay on strike.

The high road is not really yours to claim.

I get the same crap done to me too. look, Hill keeps fighting and so will we.

They seem to be deterioating more with each passing day; they truly are not the sort you want in it for the long haul.

An Obama echo chamber discussing the exodus of Clinton supporters (I'll assume they were referencing the OP, but who knows?), commenting on how nice it was now that the "Hillbot" bullies were nowhere to be found.

And I thought, hmmm. A group of Clinton supporters voluntarily absent themselves from GDP, and it's because THEY were being bullies? Right.

I mean, whatever you believe, does it even make sense that the bullies were running to escape the victims? Bizarro-World again.

Too serious.
This is just one forum in a large web. Hang in there. This too will soon pass.

As far as the boycott goes. I've said that I won't be back or at least not as active as I was before in DU.

Oh and an FYI to those that said shit in that locked thread, I'm in "that group" so make sure to update your lists. So thanks very much for the kind words.

Most of us come into this forum eager to talk about the primary and end up rolling our eyes and leaving without ever posting.

On the record, I am an Obama supporter, but I have both Obama and Hillary supporters on ignore.

I ignore low-post counters who are divisive and loud. Usually I try to bear with newbies, give them the benefit of the doubt, but it is too annoying and too wide spread in this forum to tolerate.

I ignore people who post mainly ad hominem attacks. Boring.

I ignore anyone who consistently posts racist or sexist crap in defense of their candidate. Yuck!

I ignore anyone who posts rants or pics from right-wing sites in defense of their candidate. Double-yuck. :(

I have a lot of people on ignore.

I post here only occasionally, and honestly, have only the barest notion of the drama that is going on in here. But it sounds nuts.

I got sucked into a drama in a small sub-forum once. It was surprisingly easy to fall into, even though I knew better. Something about being online, anonymous and part of a group made it easy for me to revert to a junior high mentality. I was embarrassed afterward. I suspect some of the same groupthink is going on here, but on a much grader scale. I hope both sides can forgive when it is over.

I think your plea will fall on deaf ears here.

Obama is not a political candidate, he is a theological candidate, he has followers not supporters.

Supports of a candidate can move on when the candidate drops out, like Edwards and the others.

Obama followers cannot tolerate any questioning of their leader. There are examples of this type of leader/followers in history and they have and do hunt down opposition with the intent of doing harm. I believe this will not only continue but will get worse as his movement continues.

The only way I see of stopping it is to vote against it. I know I will.

So much for unity and hope. Obama change is not for the better.

Possibly one of the dumbest things I've heard yet.

:hi:

Plonk

The sad thing is that his supporters make many of McCain's support appear sane.

Although I'm on the other side of the candidate fence,
as progressives we need to agree to disagree
without being disagreeable.

There are too many threads that I'd love to post in,
but the conversation denigrates into immature flaming.
And I just back out. We might as well be in a
Neocon board with all the namecalling and blaming.

It's shameful that the Hillary folks need to flee
in order to share in a community. I've never seen this
before at DU. I've been here since the 2004 election,
usually as a lurker. But this is insane!

One question for you.. you mentioned you'd never
received a mod warning.. Do the mods warn you if
you're getting too inflammatory?

I ask this because I used to post under another name
and one day I logged in and was told I was banned!
I was stunned because I had scarcely posted.
and mostly it was very mild. No warning, but
banned. so I started a new identity under a new
user name...

Grow the fuck up.

You and the others are not employed by DU. Kos had the same nitpick with the "strikers" who left his site.

That's all.

you stated, "There has been a campaign to let all Hillary threads sink, it’s called the Let It Sink strategy."

That's simply not true.

The truth is that Hillary supporters were posting vile threads attacking Barack Obama....on Wright, Rezko, snubgate, day in, day out. Those were the Let sink threads....because arguing or debating the matter was not what those Hillary Supporters were about; they were about having as many negatively titled threads against OBama as possible.

Doesn't change the fact that the OP is misleading by painting an untrue picture and then playing victim, does it?

Do you get dizzy from the combo of spinning and being so high up on your horse?

Which is sillier, the list and Pi in the Sky plots against Clinton supporters, or the denials by the list makers and plotters?
I rule they are equaly silly.

if you are boycotting why are you posting...?

- uhhhhhh...

And if we want a reason, only read the nature of discourse on this thread.

Or in this entire forum, for that matter.

It's not the media.

It's not the church.

It's not the educational system.

It's not even the politicians.

It's US... and our inability to accept that the "other" might be right about a thing or two.


~Writer~

That was a pretty crazy thing to do.

Are you softening your approach now?

think he is for endorsing Obama, which is my right as one of his constituents.

Some of the actions you described (vulgar PMs, hit lists, etc) are totally out of line and unacceptable.

However, those of us on the other side of the fence find it appalling that every time -- every time -- a politician/super delegate endorses Obama, they are instantly chastised, demonized, and regarded as either traitors or irrelevant.

Nevertheless, I agree that GD-P is a pure cesspool of insanity and idiocy. However, I've found it far more tolerable since I started participating in the Let It Sink policy. For me, I only let sink those threads that contribute nothing to the discourse (and that includes those threads pounding on Hillary for silly reasons.)

in the thread and to you personally in reply to your PM.

I think that needs to be mentioned.

And, for the record, I have had absolutely nothing to do with any "campaign" to get anyone "TS'd," and the "mass ignore" list deal (which I again had no participation in) was really a mountain made out of a molehill, IMHO.

obsessive is peddling about me, either. I plan to mention that in every thread that is even tangentially related to such topics, until I get an apology of my own.

but yourself. Turn you pm off, if it upsets you. I for one have never used the feature. Nobody cares what boards you join but boards slamming DU are rightfully criticized.

And by the way, many of your posts were disgusting and deserved to be ignored. Stop posting chit and you will be fine.

It is too late to rewrite the shameful history of posts some here have engaged in over the past few months. Let it go. The question is how we behave as we move forward. I'm not too optimistic. I think too many people on both sides are enjoying the mudslinging to stop -- it's why they visit message boards. Others are only interested in reasoned discussion, even if it gets emotional at times, and they have and presumably will continue to, behave like adults.

I'll wait and see if the OP decides to exhibit better behavior in the future.

That'll show 'em.

That's not focused at you - it's focused at the strike itself. It's childish. If Obama and/or Clinton supporters want to find another forum to discuss issues or their candidate, that's fine, understandable, justifiable. But, taking toys to another sandbox and making such a big deal about it - that's adolescent, IMO.

She has lost the nomination, and by staying in to the bitter end, she has given you false hope. Her only ambition is to run again in 2012 after making certain that she has destroyed Obama enough so that McCain may win the general election.

It's time for the Hillary supporters to take their heads out of the sand and stand behind the Democratic nominee: Barack Obama.

I was a Kucinich supporter. I know it's hard to see your candidate lose. In my case, he never even really had a shot, thanks to the corporate media.

But I'm over it. It's time for you and the rest of the actual Democrats here to get over it as well. The Hillary trolls are the ones making you look bad, and when you cling on to the false hope that Hillary has given you, it makes you look like one of them. That's why you get the flack that you're talking about in your OP.

that the only way Hillary could win is to have delegates ignore the will of the people? Is that what you want, another "selected" President?

I think its disgusting that some people in our party are really no better than the Freepers who have no problem with paperless electronic voting machines or what the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election.

Seriously, you have no problem in ignoring the will of the people so long as you get your way?

What a shame....




P.S. Oh and BTW I am not an Obama supporter as I have stated several times before. There was only one candidate I supported and that was Dennis Kucinich. He lost and that's the way it goes. Too bad Hillary and her steadfast supporters can't respect the will of the people.

:rofl:

buck up buddy. I'm in your corner 100%

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5309322&mesg_id=5309322

Here is a thread started by a pro-Hillary Obama hater who chose to quote Michelle Malkin's website to do his dirty work.

Well?

:D

It was never intended as a blanket attack on Hillary supporters. The idea was to not rise to the bait of foul, trolling posts that spread right-wing lies about one of our candidates.

For example:

I wonder why OBAMA didn't go to celebrate Easter Services at his Church?
O JUST SAID ON LARRY KING HE DID TALK TO THE GOOD REV AND OBJECTED
O is a liar and will still seek out his Pastors feelings:
Manifesto by Hamas printed in Wrights Church Letter, July 22nd 2007
Obama Was In Chicago The Morning Of Controversial Sermon
Who brings their little girls to church services where the minister is gyrating sexually on stage
Rezko Trial: Obama Consulted on Board Picks
Obama, can you help your grammamma?
JUST REMEMBER THAT REZKO WAS FINANCE DIRECTOR for OBAMAS DEMOCRATIC US SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN CMTE.
OBAMA LIFTS SOME MORE...... Not from Deval Patrick this time.
BARACK OBAMA IS A EGOTISTICAL/DIVISIVE MARK ON THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
Obama echoes Patrick again
It's not just the PLAGIARISM Dummy.....
HOLY SHIT Antoin Rezko campaigned for Barack Obama in 2004
Did Barack Obama ever do any favors for Tony Rezko?
I wonder if the media will ask Obama if he has retained a lawyer for the Rezko thingy?
Strong Black Vote Gives Obama SC Win
Rezko was a part of Obama's senatorial campaign FINANCE committee.
FACT CHECK: Obama, His Contributor Rezko, the Slum Landlord Business

Let's see... we've got Pastorgate, Rezkogate, Xeroxgate, even Grandmagate, along with a lovely attempt to paint Obama's SC win as nothing more than a "black" victory. That pretty much covers Sean Hannity's talking points since January 1st.

Now who might you guess would be the source of such troubling posts?


You'll pardon me if I don't feel too much sympathy for your victim routine... :eyes:

Pastorgate: crap
Rezkogate: crap
Xeroxgate: pathetic crap
Grandmagate: desperate, pathetic crap
SC is a black victory gate: not even worth comment

It's not about the thickness of anyone's skin. It's about not wanting to have my time wasted by complete bullshit.

Let It Sink was a huge success at cleaning up the front page of GDP. The fact that it caused the worst offenders to give us all a week off was just an unexpected bonus. I, for one, hope it continues until Hillary finally drops out.

want no discussion.

You refuse to accept even the slightest bit of responsibility for fanning the flames on GDP, yet you want Obama supporters to acquiesce to your demands and let you smear our candidate without objection.

It seems to me that your real problem is that Obama supporters developed an effective tactic against inflammatory posts like yours. There is no requirement that we engage with posters that we find counterproductive, nor is there any rule against advocating that others follow our lead.

In short, if you want to have a discussion, give us something to discuss. Parroting right-wing talking points about is just going to get you added to more ignore lists.

that does not exist in real life. Maybe it's to massage your sense of martyrdom, or maybe to try and make the Obama supporters look bad. I honestly don't know, but I'm getting really sick of it.

The "Top Ten List" was posted on another forum by someone who was tombstoned from DU 3 years ago. The other list was posted by a disaffected DUer who seldom posts here anymore. As far as I know, the "active campaign" to have you TS'd exists only in your paranoid imagination, but it's a nice little cutesy way of slandering all the Obama supporters here, while making yourself out to be a victim.

You're welcome to enjoy your own little private clubhouse. I'm a veteran of such a private clubhouse myself. Please understand though, that if you do indulge in such a private clubhouse, you will be the target of speculation, discussion, suspicion and accusations. I suggest you get used to it. I did. Whining about it only lowers yourself in everyone else's eyes, especially when you yourself are doing so much to spread rumors and suspicions about other people's behavior.

You have no sympathy from me whatsoever, and I can only hope you decide to grow up soon, and get over yourself.

On top of that, they routinely engage in falsehoods, stalking behavior, and the like, and then have the audacity to turn around and accuse others of the very activity they indulge in!

For instance, I belong to another board, a strictly pro-Obama board, and several members there, who have my "real world" e-mail address, lurk at DU because they enjoy the latest breaking news, the pro-Obama posts, etc. One of them e-mails me last night and tells me claims - untrue claims - are being made about me by my *ignored* poster in a thread I was participating in.

This person e-mailed me the gist of these claims. Had that person not known both my "real world" e-mail address and DU identity, and had she not just *happened* to be lurking at DU, specifically GD: P, that claim would have stood un-refuted, and hundreds of DU'ers and outside lurkers would right now believe a patent falsehood about me (several falsehoods, in fact).*

It truly is horse's ass behavior.

(*edited repost).

Wanna keep trying to deny their existance?

Notifying the admins is the appropriate thing to do when such a thing occurs. Trying to tarnish all supporters of a particular candidate with guilt for it is not.

I don't deny the existence of the posts. I deny that I ever saw them, or participated in them in any way, and I deny that most Obama supporters did, and I refuse to accept any guilt for what some small number of people may or may not have done.

There has been a campaign to let all Hillary threads sink, it’s called the Let It Sink strategy.

Let It Sink was for hateful threads, though some have twisted it.

edit to add:

Then a week or so ago, I learned that I was on a top ten hit list.

You are on the list that I received, but I have no idea on the origins of the list.

...if he any tiny fraction of the person they claim him to be (and let's ALL hope on that one) then he would be shamed.

They should be too.

Oh wait -- he's already won.

Nevermind.

A democrat in the WH is the issue. WAKE UP!

Then why are all these people supporting Hillary? :shrug:

...is just way too foolish.
Not a winning strategy in a general election either.

Why do that? What can you possible gain by it? What can your candidate of choice possibly gain?

At this point, nominating Hillary Clinton is the best way to hand John McCain the White House. It will tear the party apart and allow an alleged "war hero" to run against an acknowledged "valor thief".

I don't understand why Hillary's supporters keep pushing this. If you were truly concerned about losing the Supreme Court and all the other follow-on effects of a McSame administration, you'd face reality and start backing the clear winner of the nomination process.

I don't.

No Hillary supporter has EVER been able to give a substantive response to this. EVER.

Barack is a democrat.
Other people are also democrats.
We want a democrat in the WH.

What IS your question again?

I've yet to hear a single workable idea from a Hillary supporter for how she can win the nomination, let alone the general election.

For example:

Obama wins the pledged delegates. (foregone conclusion at this point)

Obama wins the popular vote. (also a foregone conclusion at this point)

FL and MI are not counted. (Also a foregone conclusion. But even if they somehow are counted, Obama still wins delegates and popular vote.)

30% of the remaining superdelegates decide that it's a bad idea to take the Democratic nomination away from the winning black candidate and give it to the losing white candidate.

Nomination: Obama.

Obama then uses his opposition to the Iraq war to club McSame into submission, tying him to * at every opportunity. If Obama has time, he also makes McLame look like an idiot on the economy.

General Election: Obama



Your turn.

you can celebrate, feel happy, and stop perseverating.

Until someone can provide a reasonable answer to the question of "how does Hillary win?" I'm going to continue under the assumption that her supporters are driven by a different agenda than putting a Democrat in the White House.

Wring your hands. Wail. Gnash teeth. And perseverate for ever.

of her supporters on here, and I find that thought really very sad.

...as neither candidate gives a damn it is probably absurd to speculate.

Your message is powerful.:cry: :hug:

So I will apologize to you as well on behalf of reasonable Obama Supporters.

I don't go to the Hillary Campaign office and I don't go to Hillary forums. What you say to each other there is your business and you deserve your privacy in your discussions. Those who choose to invade your forums I Renounce and Reject.

That being said If you post on GD-P and I don't like I will let you know about it. I will fight for Obama with my last breath till this primary fight is over. You will recieve no quarter from me. McCain is the enemy but your candidate and her supporters are an obstacle and we shall overcome. When this is over those who wish to be reasonable we welcome into our fold. Those who don't I feel sorry for because they can't see the big picture. I'm new here but I don't alert and I don't try to get people kicked off. I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech and no matter how stupid, libelous, or inflammatory your post is...go ahead and say it.

In the end if Hillary is the nominee I will support the candidate of the democratic party because too much is at stake.

that is what some don't understand.

Nixonian tactics must be denounced by both sides. We are democrats. That means something. Regardless of who we support we don't do that shit.

So the people who keep acting like it's some big conspiracy or that people are on there plotting are waaaay overstating it.

There are other topics on there on things other than politics too.

It's a nice forum - very peaceful.

This is a nice one too - most of the time except during primary season.

Sorry you experienced that.

Here is my present to the Obama people participating in such scummy tactics:



I guess politics of change means no opposition, no questioning of the Leader.

Kidding...

I don't hold it against their candidate that they've become so obsessed with message boards that they have to "strike", "boycott" and still constantly whore for attention.

Yes I registered at their board, I'm registered at MANY democratic boards, I like to stay informed. I never once made a post on their board, or disrupted it in anyway. I did however repost one of massdems threads where her and a bunch of her insane friends attempted to plan the disruption of this board. Its an annoying tendency of this group, and should be brought to light.

though there are still some rational thinking Obama supporters here, too many are too caught up in the hype and hate. Consider it temporary instanity.

They'll probably come around when the race is over. If they don't, they weren't worth it.

putting you in a box

Who cares, this is just a freaking board, so don't let any of these aholes get to you... I don't like Clinton or Obama. But I really don't like watching some of our members act like the biggest bunch of panty wads I have ever seen.. Grown adults, intelligent adults acting like babies... It is the saddest thing I have seen online in a while.... Let's all have a list everyone... Oh yeah and let's ignore anyone who doesn't agree with us and while we are at it, let's just be total and complete assholes to anyone who doesn't support our candidate...

who's sorry for all the unkindness that's been going on here. I've been on these boards for years but don't post much as I don't have a thick enough skin to handle much flaming.... I wholeheartedly join in with your plea for civility, friend:pals:

When it's all over we're in this together right?