Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Breaking: Clinton Camp: "Obama Oil Ad a Crude Lie"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:05 AM
Original message
Breaking: Clinton Camp: "Obama Oil Ad a Crude Lie"
The Hillary Clinton campaign responded to Barack Obama's new ad, below, with a statement characterizing the ad as "false advertising":

Phil Singer: "It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is using false advertising to explain why he can be trusted to do something about energy prices. Senator Obama says he doesn't take campaign contributions from oil companies but the reality is that Exxon, Shell, and others are among his donors. I wonder if they'll fix the ad."


Check out the ad, and after the jump, a little more of Phil Singer's memo, and we'll see just whose pants are on fire here.

WATCH VIDEO- hear the misleading Ad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdOK4L868cI

Update: At the end of the article, the Obama campaign's response.

Singer's memo goes on to explain:

"A new ad by Sen. Obama running in Pennsylvania falsely claims that Sen. Obama does not accept money from the oil industry. In the ad, Sen. Obama says, "I'm Barack Obama and I don't take money from oil companies or lobbyists and I won't let them block change anymore."

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Sen. Obama has received over $160,000 from the oil and gas companies. Two major bundlers for his campaign -- George Kaiser and Robert Cavnar – are oil company CEOs. Sen. Obama has accepted money from Exxon, Shell, BP, Chevron and just about every other major oil company. Just last month, Sen. Obama accepted another $8,400 from ExxonMobil, $12,370 from Chevron and $6,500 from British Petroleum.


"On the other hand, Singer's memo mentions the practice of "bundling," tying individual donations together into a larger package. While it is true that this practice allows for the appearance of less influence than there actually is, his claim of "false advertising" fails to acknowledge that, under our current system, the characterization is appropriate, and any candidate would make it. If 4,000 waitresses donate $100.00 each, is he in the pocket of "Big Restaurant?" As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle." ("Except Sen Clinton doesn't deny she takes contributions from Lobbyists..and doesn't try to trick the American people with misleading advertising. Thats the difference")


Update: Response from Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor, via email:

"Senator Obama is the only candidate in the race who doesn't accept campaign contributions from special interests PACs and Washington lobbyists, and that includes oil companies and oil lobbyists. The energy bill that Senator Clinton has already been criticized for misrepresenting -- one that Clinton supporters Representatives Murtha and Kanjorski also backed -- actually raised taxes on oil companies and made the largest investment in renewable energy in our nation's history. Instead of continuing with the negative and misleading tactics that voters everywhere are rejecting, Senator Clinton should get behind the Obama plan to ease the burden of rising gas prices on working families."

"But Obama's spokeman doesn't say, they accept contributions from Washington Lobbyists's and oil company employees and oil lobbyists wives." And that Obama's "Global Poverty Pkg" he co-sponsored asking for an additional $845 Billion in Aide would place an additional Global Tax on Gasoline"


http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/03/31/clinton-camp-obama-oil-ad-is-crude-lie/

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:07 AM
Response to Original message
1. Educate me here si vou ples; When one talks about taking donations from a company are they talking..
...about the company itself, board members of the company or company employees which could be the janitor?

Thx in advance
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #1
5. As said in the article..
Sen Clinton doesn't deny taking contributions from Lobbyists. The difference is Obama misleads the public with his video saying:

"A new ad by Sen. Obama running in Pennsylvania falsely claims that Sen. Obama does not accept money from the oil industry. In the ad, Sen. Obama says, "I'm Barack Obama and I don't take money from oil companies or lobbyists and I won't let them block change anymore."

"According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Sen. Obama has received over $160,000 from the oil and gas companies. Two major bundlers for his campaign -- George Kaiser and Robert Cavnar – are oil company CEOs. Sen. Obama has accepted money from Exxon, Shell, BP, Chevron and just about every other major oil company. Just last month, Sen. Obama accepted another $8,400 from ExxonMobil, $12,370 from Chevron and $6,500 from British Petroleum."

And Obama's play with words skirts the meaning of his ad. Obama does take money from Lobbyist's wives and Oil Co executives wives.. deceptive advertising.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #5
58. Great ad, great catch thanks for the heads up
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #1
44. Here's the Truth: Clinton got caught in a BIG LIE; her supporters now overanalyze Obama words
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #44
63. You couldn't find the Truth in anything Obama says with both hands and a map!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:08 AM
Response to Original message
2. That's an idiotic statement from the Clintons
He has received zero dollars from oil and gas companies.

The Clintons are full of crap.

Are you suggesting that Mike who pumps gas at the Mobil
station cannot donate to the candidate of his choice?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. so has she, you know
Corporations can't donate to candidates. of course, if the CEO of your corporation is a 6 figure bundler, that's a pretty good clue, right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. I think you miss the point
Exxon donates the max amount allowed to Obama through how you say, like a surrogate donation for each employee, is that the right word? Then it reverts the donation showing a donation via employee pay checks. This is a common practice and I'm sure the top candidates over the years all have done this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. And Sen Clinton admits that practice..
Obama misleads by pretending he doesn't receive ANY moneys from Oil Companies. And it isn't a stretch for a person hearing the ad or reading it... would assume he doesn't receive any contributions whatsoever (in any shape or form) from Oil Companies. It's deceptive advertising once you know circumvention of words are in play here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #8
23. And isn't Obama the one that says words matter? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #8
55. He apparently means that from the position of his office...
He doesn't take perks or back-scratching lobbyist deals.

Campaign contributions are a different matter.

Show us some money he's taken from the position of an acting politician rather than a candidate, and you've got some dirt, though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #4
15. If Exxon is donating the way you describe it is illegal.
Link please.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. Right!!! They can't do that through employees
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #4
45. Here's the Truth: Clinton got caught in a BIG LIE; her supporters now overanalyze Obama words
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #4
52. May i ask you to prove your point.
You're supposing that everyone who donates is a surrogate. Even if it's only a minority,
I don't believe you. Are you representing your company when you donate to Hillary?
Are you expecting favors for your company because of your donation?
have you and your fellow employees formed a PAC. I didn't think so.

This is a bullshit argument and you know it. How typical.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #4
56. Please educate yourself. It is ILLEGAL for corporations to make contributions to political campaigns
It is ILLEGAL for a corporation to make a "surrogate donation" for its employees.

A corporation may have a political action committee or PAC to influence elections. Under federal law, PACs may solicit contributions from stockholders and their family members and employees, but only employees in what are considered to be executive or administrative positions. Corporations cannot force employees to contribute to its PAC.

http://www.metrocorpcounsel.com/current.php?artType=view&artMonth=March&artYear=2004&EntryNo=333

When individuals make contributions, they must report their profession and employer, but that may or may not mean that the person would agree with the political agenda of their employer. I can assure you that when I worked for a major bank, the politicians I supported would not be the ones that my employer's PAC (which I refused to contribute to) supported.

You can look at both the Clinton and Obama campaigns' finances here:

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. Hillary lied.
So what else is new.

:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. Obama also lies about helping the ordinary working man by easing gas prices..
How does he propose to do that when his "Global Poverty pkg" consisting of $845 Billion dollars in Global Aide would rely on a "Global Emission Tax" being attached to gasoline prices, raising the price of gas by a dollar?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #10
53. So is he getting donations from oil companies
or is he increasing their taxes? If he is behind increasing their taxes, why would they be donating to him? Do you support people who take your money?

Which is it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #7
18. What's new is Barack Meeks lied
And that's not new at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:24 AM
Response to Original message
6. Sometimes desperation is SOOOO funny!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #6
12. Aren't we up to over 70 lies Obama has been caught in to date?
makes Sen Clinton's Bosnia misstatement almost irrelevant seeing it happened 15 years ago?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #12
69. Debunked lies from the Liars for KKKlinton Club?
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 05:14 PM by Zhade
No one cares about your desperate lies.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:27 AM
Response to Original message
9. These are individual American citizens donating to his campaign... not the companies.
There is a big difference between the two. And you know it.

I used to work for a major US bank/lender. I donated to political campaigns. That does not mean my donation represented the banking industry.

Your statement:
"Except Sen Clinton doesn't deny she takes contributions from Lobbyists..and doesn't try to trick the American people with misleading advertising. Thats the difference"

Doesn't try to trick the American people with misleading advertising? Are you SERIOUS? She doesn't JUST try to TRICK them. She OUT AND OUT LIES TO THEM.

"I was against NAFTA" - FALSE. LIES. TRICKERY.
"I brought peace to Northern Ireland." - FALSE. OVERSTATEMENTS. TRICKERY.
"We landed under sniper fire..." - FALSE. LIES. TRICKERY.

Your candidate is the queen of LIES. BLATANT LIES. LIES THAT CAN BE DISPROVEN BY LITTLE BOSNIAN GIRLS AND VIDEO EVIDENCE. LIES that are self-aggrandizing BULLSHIT meant to pad her resume and trick the American people into believing she has "more experience".

And she's trying to spin another yarn here.

Go back from under the rock from which you slithered. You REEK of desperation.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #9
17. Obama has lied so many times even you can't keep them straight..
And this:

"I was against NAFTA" - FALSE. LIES. TRICKERY.
"I brought peace to Northern Ireland." - FALSE. OVERSTATEMENTS. TRICKERY.
"We landed under sniper fire..." - FALSE. LIES. TRICKERY.

Hillary was against NAFTA... Bill was president at the time.

The Irish government has stated Sen Clinton was a key element in helping to bring Peace to Ireland. I suppose you forgot about that or it doesn't count in your eyes.

A happening 15 yrs ago is hardly quantifiable compared to Obama's current advertising deceptions.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #17
27. In regards to the sniper fire my understanding is she repeated this 4 times and even after she was
...told that wasn't the story.

Even though for me it wasn't a big deal I can see why this presents a credibility issue to some.

I think also she would've remembered if she was being shot at, I surely do and it's scary as hell.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #17
39. YOU are lying RIGHT NOW.
SHE WAS FOR NAFTA - as is demonstrated by her schedule as first lady. Attendees from the meeting stated, for the record, that she attended, was the featured guest, and spoke in favor of NAFTA. Too bad there's not video tape of that too. So you have a choice when it comes to this fairy tale:

1) She was FOR NAFTA. Promoted it. Convinced others to support it. AND NOW IS LYING ABOUT HER PREVIOUS POSITION.
OR
2) She was against NAFTA. And, compromising her own beliefs in what is right for our nation, promoted it because she is a good little wifey?

Which one? It's one or the other.


She was not a key element in helping bring peace to Northern Ireland. She was a fucking cheerleader. She was the President's wife. Lord Magillin, who was head of the Good Friday Peace Accord, practically laughs at the suggestion Hillary had anything to do with No. Ireland peace. And the BBC SHREDDED her over it. LINK:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7310000/newsid_7313500/7313536.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1&bbcws=1


The Bosnia story is not something that happened 15 years ago. She lied about it last month. And the month before that. And the month before that. She DELIBERATELY lied to pad her own resume. It's not about the event itself. It's that she's a LIAR and is UNTRUSTWORTHY and will say and do anything to get elected.



So what has Obama lied about exactly? Obviously this "taking money from oil companies" story is YET ANOTHER LIE from the CLINTON campaign. What else you got? Face it, after the Bosnia lie, all you guys are trying to do is show, using the weakest of evidence, that Barack is "just as bad" as Hillary. WRONG. FAIL.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #39
42. In regards to this OP this reply should be rec'd
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #39
43. Brilliant summary of Hillary's "career"
BRAVO!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #17
46. Here's the Truth: Clinton got caught in a BIG LIE; her supporters now overanalyze Obama words
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #9
21. I asked about this and didn't get a clear answer. The TP is false IMHO, I don't represent my company
...when I donate to BO or HRCs campaigns.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:31 AM
Response to Original message
11. This ad is simply NOT misleading.
You are grasping at straws in an attempt to "prove" that something is false when it isn't. This is a positive ad that states Barack's position clearly and does nothing to detract from Hillary's position in any way.

What the fuck is your problem?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #11
13. Is Obama accepting NO money at all or is it individuals in the companies donating?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #13
50.  He accepts no money, directly or indirectly...
From anyone with a controlling interest in the company. This includes certain stockholders, even if they are not on the board. The decision to return contributions are often based on SEC standards, basically anyone with enough control to be flagged should they make a sudden stock dump would not be acceptable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #11
20. The articles play on words : "CRUDE"...Oil
seems like the article itself is sending a message of 0bama's "crude" misleading tactics..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #20
61. I can think of many words to describe Obama's campaign "tactics". Crude is not one of them.
I have worked for a lot of campaigns and his is the most transparent campaign I have ever worked for. Period.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:35 AM
Response to Original message
14. Both Clinton and Obama lie and exaggerate. It's politics. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #14
22. ah, a voice of reason!
:toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #14
26. The problem is that Obama supporters won't admit he lies EVER. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #26
29. BO is NOT accepting moneys in the NAME of any oil company, the OP is a lie and a bold faced one....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #26
32. same goes for Clinton supporters
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #14
47. Here's the Truth: Clinton got caught in a BIG LIE; her supporters now overanalyze Obama words
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:36 AM
Response to Original message
16. So the Clinton Campaign is linked to Porn, Prostitution, Murder, Insider Trading?
Heidi Fleiss, former Hollywood madam. "I'm a big fan of Hillary's." Aug. 20, 2007.

Jenna Jameson, porn star. "I love Hillary." May 17, 2007.

O.J. Simpson, former pro football player. "Her whole life all she's ever done is try to help people...Yeah, she's got my vote." Aug. 3, 2007.

Martha Stewart. "I think would do a wonderful job." Dec. 10, 2005.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #16
28. I find some of Obama supporters less desirable than those you've mentioned..
If you're splitting hairs for supporters and donors!

Thanks for the kick anyway..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:41 AM
Response to Original message
24. doesn't accept campaign contributions from special interests ..?
I would say...Fitzgerald has 'special interest' in Rezko...and his campaign contributions to Obama.



Thanks for the post! K&R!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:42 AM
Response to Original message
25. The only lie here is the OP...
Excepting donations from workers that work at an oil company does NOT equal taking money from an oil company.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #25
31. This is the boldest lie I've seen so far and like Hillary the OP keeps up the lie thinking everyone
...else is stupid and can't fact check.

I think it was slate that said the Clinton and McSame campaigns are totally ignoring the power of the internet tubes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. Obama says his Health Care is "UNIVERSAL".. but it's Not is it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. Matters what "universal" means in context (kinda like "real time" in IT) but I can look at what he..
...means in the context and not call the guy a bold faced liar.

To say that BO is accepting money from oil companies that have donated illegally doesn't lend credit to a persons positions for or against a candidate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #31
65. speaking of Fact Check--they ageed with the OP
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #25
33. This just in - Clintons
parse facts to support bullshit claim. Penn now states he knows exactly how many angels fit on head of pin.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #25
34. Pretending is what Obama does best.. We don't need or want a pretend president!
pretending he's proposing "Universal Health Care" when his proposal leaves 17 million people uninsured.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #25
48. Here's the Truth: Clinton got caught in a BIG LIE; her supporters now overanalyze Obama words
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:44 AM
Response to Original message
30. Ahh it wouldn't be Hillary if she wasn't attacking every day on anything she can
kicking and screaming.. it's getting sad.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:47 AM
Response to Original message
35. yeah, your full of it
Accepting donations from a company means from the company, not from people who work there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. So why doesn't he clarify it in his ad rather than pretending...
he has clean hands?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #37
59. the ad is clear as written
He has taken zero money from oil companies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. Not everyone is into symantics../hidden meanings..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #35
40. The OP, like Hillary, think poeple are too frickin stupid to look stuff up. It's insulting at the...
...least but it's the way FAUX news et al operate knowing 90% of America can't fact check to the depth needed to negate false claims.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #40
64. Hey, this OP is a step up from last night's RW shit she posted.
She thought no one would look at those links either, but we did. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. Can't wait to see what other lies/bullshit/tripe that Tellurian will come up with tonight.
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 05:09 PM by HawkeyeX
We all called her on the WND link, and even Tellurian lied about it on the replies - TRYING to point us to the Senate link when we aren't stupid and saw that paragraph.

Hawkeye-X
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. It was great entertainment while it lasted.
You know when a campaign is reduced to using Accuracy In Media and WorldNetDaily that things are just about over and done with. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:53 AM
Response to Original message
41. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #41
49. Here's the Truth: Clinton got caught in a BIG LIE; her supporters now overanalyze Obama words
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:05 AM
Response to Original message
51. Serious accusation....
K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:36 AM
Response to Original message
54. That's it. He needs to fuck her over.
I say hit her with a NAFTA attack ad saying she was at all the meetings.

It's on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:03 AM
Response to Original message
57. Great ad, great catch thanks for the heads up
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:52 AM
Response to Original message
60. Will hurt Obama in PA
Rather surprising he set himself up with such a dishonest TV ad. Has he run out of ways to make himself look good on issues?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:11 PM
Response to Original message
67. HAHAHAHA! Like clinton has ANY room to accuse OTHERS of lying!
She's a proven liar.

Meanwhile, Obama continues his road to the White House.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:14 PM
Response to Original message
70. Well, the Clinton's would certainly know a crude lie when they saw it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 06:45 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC