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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:18 AM
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Clinton to Richardson: Obama can't win
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/candidate-clint.html

Candidate Clinton to Richardson: 'Barack Obama Can't Win'


April 02, 2008 7:39 PM

ABC News' George Stephanopoulos Reports: Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and former President Bill Clinton are making very direct arguments to Democratic superdelegates, starkly insisting Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., cannot win a general election against presumptive Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

Sources with direct knowledge of the conversation between Sen. Clinton and Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M., prior to the Governor's endorsement of Obama say she told him flatly, "He cannot win, Bill. He cannot win."

Richardson, who served in President Clinton's cabinet, disagreed.

At a rally in Oregon, standing next to Obama, Richardson insisted, "My great affection and admiration for Hillary Clinton and President Bill Clinton will never waver." But he added, "It is time, however, for Democrats to stop fighting among ourselves and to prepare for the tough fight we will face against John McCain in the fall."


This. Is. Pathetic.

I'm witnessing a Clinton campaign go from desperation to full-on self destruct mode.

Duke

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:20 AM
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1. It's kind of sad to watch how low she fell from so high.
But I won't shed a single tear
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:32 AM
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12. The higher they climb, the harder they fall. nt
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maspethboy Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:21 AM
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2. This claim brought to you by anonymous sources
that's the best the blog could do. Anonymous sources. Not that proper sourcing is required here in the DU for something to be believed.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:35 AM
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13. ^ ^ ^ This one only lasted 6 posts ...
:rofl:

Those mods are on target tonight! :loveya:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:45 AM
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18. It is from ABC news
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:38 PM
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27. Uh...you sure about that?
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/03/politics/fromtheroad/entry3993075.shtml

Clinton Campaign Backpedals on Richardson Comments
Posted by Fernando Suarez


(CBS)
From CBS News' Fernando Suarez:

BURBANK, CALIF. - In an exchange with reporters at a press conference earlier today, Hillary Clinton was asked about reports that while, she was seeking his endorsement, she told Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M., that Barack Obama could not win the general election if he were the nominee. Clinton responded, “You know we have been going back and forth in this campaign about who said what to whom and let me say this about that. I don’t talk about private conversations. But I have consistently made the case that I can win because I believe I can win. You know, sometimes people draw the conclusions that I’m saying somebody else can’t win. I can win, I know I can win. That’s why I do this everyday. I’m in it to win it.”

The reporter pressed Clinton saying, “Is that a no?” To which Clinton responded, “That’s a no.”

But later, a senior Clinton spokesman told reporters that Clinton did not mean to imply that she was not referring to what she allegedly said to Richardson about Obama. Instead, the campaign explains that Clinton took the follow up question to mean that she “does not talk about private conversations."

Reporters pressed the aide about Clinton’s answer to which the aide maintained that Clinton’s “that’s a no” answer was aimed at the fact that Clinton does not discuss private conversations.


I guess it all depends on what the meaning of "no" is...

Duke
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:21 AM
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3. The Older politicians would tend to think that way.
After seeing failures like Mondale/Ferraro and such, they would be wary to take chances.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:22 AM
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4. Was it a conference call?
No?

Then it's just gossip with no basis in actual fact.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:23 AM
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5. It just goes to show...
ya go to sleep for a few hours and all hell breaks loose.

Does anyone know whether "he can't win" means...

"he will not win" (for whatever reason) OR

"he must not be allowed to win"?????
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:26 AM
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7. Depends on the meaning of
"can't".
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:27 AM
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8. exactly, and the second meaning is scarier...
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:25 AM
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6. At least the Obama supporters aren't feigning concern about how he could lose today.
Should've been here a couple of days ago, you'd think his whole house of cards was collapsing.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:27 AM
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9. "Because I say so!"
If only I had a good Veruca Salt pic to illustrate the sense of this. Though in fairness, another anonymous insider information post...
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:27 AM
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10. "Hillary Clinton is winning and Obama has been soundly defeated"
"Oh..... and Death to the Infidels"

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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:28 AM
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11. ROTFLMAO!!! NICE!! eom
Duke
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:37 AM
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14. This is part of the process
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 12:38 AM by CatnHat
Doesn't it ever occur to Obama supporters that these two candidates are running for the highest office in the country. This primary is a cake-walk compared to others in the past. That is why there are super-delegates, to come in when the race is so close and decide. It's part of the process. Hillary is doing what any other candidate would do in his/her position.

Just ask Ted Kennedy about fighting back in a primary. Guess that was ok, because he supports Obama, but if Clinton does it; she's desperate. The only desperate people in this primary is Obama and his supporters; unwilling to let this play itself out.

Let's get FL and MI seated, let's get all votes in, let's get all the delegates counted. Then when it's over, the nomination will be announced. Give everyone a voice. That's all.

As far as Clinton trying to sway the super-delegates---they all do it!!!!!!!! How many phone calls and visits did Obama camp make??? How much money exchanged hands through the Obama camp!!!!

Obama is not bringing any new change to politics, he is just another slick politician; don't kid yourselves.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:38 AM
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15. FL is fine with me. MI is totally invalid.
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:42 AM
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16. Wrong---
MI governor is talking again about a re-vote (actually two days after PA) Gee, I wonder what Obama will do????? If Obama and his camp cannot play fair, why should any Clinton supporter give their vote to Obama (that's if he wins??).
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:43 AM
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17. This seems more like spin then fact...
As much as I do not like the Clinton's tactics, I doubt they would go so far as to tell SD's that Obama can't win.

The walls have ears and if indeed they were dissing Obama to such a degree as to call him unelectable, the blow back would be huge.

I may not like Hillary that much these days, but ultimately I don't think she would overtly sabotage Obama's nomination.
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:59 AM
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20. Its not sabotage
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 01:00 AM by CatnHat
its politics---plain and simple. Get over it. Isn't Obama all for rules!!! Then let the rules run this primary.

According to the rules, FL and MI can have a re-vote; and if FL and MI are not seated and Obama is the democratic nominee--I will not vote, simply put.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:48 AM
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19. The thing is, right here, right now, apparently Clinton cannot win against Obama in the primaries. n
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:05 AM
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21. She has beaten him in the popular vote in the primaries. Nice try.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:25 AM
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22. Nice try, yourself - I feel your pain.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/02/clintons-push-for-popula_n_94563.html

To begin with, these Democratic officials caution that the chances of Clinton actually overcoming Sen. Barack Obama's popular vote lead are exceedingly small. According to Real Clear Politics, Obama currently bests Clinton by a projected 820,000 total votes. If one includes the results of Florida, which, at this point, is not in the technical sense counted, that spread is reduced to 420,000. Michigan, where Obama's name was not on the ballot, is even more unlikely to be considered by its current tally.


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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:22 PM
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29. No pain for me. You are the one who is desparate to get Hillary out.
These "Democratic officials" you quote admit Clinton can overcome Obama in the popular vote. 600,000 votes of his lead comes from his home state of Illinois. Of that 600,000 votes, 400,000 of the margin comes from the Daley vote fraud machine in Chicago.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:28 AM
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23. From her point-of-view, she's absolutely right
In ClintonWorld, "winning" is defined as "ginning up a racist backlash to steal the nomination from the guy who kicked your ass in the primaries". Obama has no chance of doing that at this point in the campaign.


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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:39 AM
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24. I really don't understand the logic
of "Obama can't win" when he slammed HER in 11 straight contests; and yes, he DID win Texas as well.

This has got to be the most ridiculous spin I've ever heard. If HE can't win, then why can SHE win? :shrug:

She is not winning it outright, so she's trying to convince the Party that "ok, I can't defeat Obama, but hey, he can't defeat McCain, so I should be the nominee???" This is twisted logic.

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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:48 AM
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25. If Hillary can't beat Obama, what makes her think she can beat McCain?
n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:50 AM
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26. I think they left out part of the quote -
"Obama can't win because Hillary's entitled."
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:47 PM
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28. She also thought it would all be over on Feb 5th , WTF does she know.....?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:23 PM
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30. Kerry2008 to Clinton: "Hillary can't win"
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