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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:22 AM
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Hillary said there is no such thing as pledged delegates
She said the delegates are selected and then they decide who they think would make the best president. I hope people don't fall for this crap. I have said many times that I want her out of the presidential race. Now I wish she would just fade from the democratic party. I honestly can't stand her. She is putting her political ambitions before the party anyway. Ughhhhhhhhh....Two more long months before hopefully the super delegates completely shut her out......
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:30 AM
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1. Yeah, run with that Hillary.
You'll go far...:eyes:
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:35 AM
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2. She's correct. Delegates can vote for whoever they want.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:38 AM
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3. True, but they arent' chosen unless they really want their candidate.
Which makes me wonder about the Edwards and Kucinich delegates. What do they have to bring to this game?

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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:45 AM
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5. Rules vary by state
The rules for whether a pledged delegate needs to vote for their candidate vary from state to state. For example, in PA, some of the delegates are required to vote for their candidate - but only on the first ballot.

The candidates are careful to select loyal people to serve as their delegates. Therefore, I'd be amazed if her strategy worked - even if it wasn't undemocratic.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:45 AM
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12. I really don't think....
...her strategy is to "switch" the pledged delegates. The vast majority of "pledged" delegates will vote for who they are supposed to.

I think she's just trying to get the superdelegates to think she's still viable, particularly if she narrows or takes the lead in the popular vote.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:38 AM
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4. You know the new people who have come into the so-called
"Democratic" party? They'll be gone if the delegates they elected vote for the other candidate.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:56 AM
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9. And that's why I don't think the party leadership will allow things to devolve to that point.
We need a strong voter turnout to win more congressional and Senate seats as well. Anything that would negatively impact voter turnout, such as disenfranchising the significant numbers of newly registered voters, would be a bad thing.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:47 AM
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6. got it. pledged delegates do not exist. snipers do exist. check.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:48 AM
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7. Well she's actually partly correct
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 07:49 AM by crankychatter
Delegates are expected to vote according to their judgement in a way that best reflects the will of those that elected them.

IF, the candidate of choice becomes unviable at convention, they DO have the latitude to change... but nothing is engraved in stone until Convention.

To change their pledge prior to the time of Convention, if their candidate has not withdrawn, WOULD be dishonorable and possibly, a violation of the rules. I think this is a generality and rules vary from state to state.

This latitude is given them because of candidates withdrawing or at convention, no candidate having enough delegates.

But, there is the brokering aspect. The platform policies of their candidate are to be pursued... and a vote is not simply transferred. It should be "sold" for compromises and pledges on the part of the candidate to whom the delegate is switching.

There ain't no something for nothing.
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:51 AM
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8. There will be Hell to pay in Nov is she gets away with this...DNC knows this
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:00 AM
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10. this woman has no integrity
electing her would be the same as electing a bush who limps slightly to the left.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:29 AM
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11. I guess that means her delegates can vote for Obama then.
:eyes:
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:09 AM
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13. Okay, I will again post so that obama folks understand about
the issue of pledged delegates and I start off with a question. A pledged delegate is pledged to a particular candidate and cannot switch, right? Wrong.Pledged delegates are not really pledged at all, not even on the first ballot. This has been an open secret in the party for years, but it has never really mattered because there has almost always been a clear victor by the time the convention convened.

Delegates are NOT bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the convention or on the first ballot,” a recent DNC memo states. “A delegate goes to the convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the convention, while it is assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required.

After the April 22 Pennsylvania primary the pledged delegate count looks very close,both sides will start working all delegates.In other words, Clinton and Obama will have to go after every delegate who is alive and breathing.



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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:41 AM
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16. speak slowly and use only three or four letter words
us obama folks, we be a bit slow.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:12 AM
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14. If Obama can pull out a win...
...or even a close loss in PA - then he cleans her clock in NC - the SuperD's may pull the plug in short order after that.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:40 AM
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15. Caucuses don't count. Primaries don't count. Polls don't count.
"Give me my nomination!" demands the G.o.P.
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