Can we confirm Hillary's MLK story?

I think it's important to confirm Hillary's account of shaking hands with
Dr. Martin Luther King when she was 14. Today in her speech, she talked
about the impact it made on her.

I've never heard this story from her. I might have missed something.

Is there any way we can confirm that this story is true? I'm not saying
that it's untrue, but I'm having trouble trusting her after her ourageous
sniper-fire lies.

Hillary was born Oct 1947. She said she met King when she was 14. Another
poster said she mentioned that she met King in January. That puts her
handshake with King in January of 1962.

She also said her encounter with King took place in Chicago, right?

If this story is true, it should be verifiable.

If she was 14---did she see him through a school trip? Did another adult take her?

Given her repeated sniper-fire tales--I don't think it's out of line to wonder about
the veracity of her MLK story.

but since it can't be verified one way or another, there is no point in pursuing it.

Common sense says that if she met him she'd have mentioned it earlier.

But I'm sure you don't give a fuck.

not shaking his hand.


but I'm sure you don't give a fuck.

I don't give a fuck anymore about the god-damn election and the fucking "supporters" and their bullshit.

attack my answer?

Oh yeah, I noticed you couldn't respond to the fact that Hillary has a new memory of her close encounter with MLK.

Like the congressional elections.

...and it's important, if this is in her book.

I didn't know that.

Did you read this in her book? I'll take your word for it, if you saw it, or is there
some source I can look at to confirm that it's in her book?

Thanks.

what say we?

help invent the internet. Google is your friend....

Hillary shook hands with MLK like I'm doing Claudia Schiffer.

He NEVER claimed he built it. That's the point - the press took something he said, exaggerated it to the point it was false and then put it in the echo chamber to criticize it.

But, I am always right about everything else....

:dunce:

...so what is your point? She can only lie when she is speaking, but she does not lie in print?

:eyes:

...that has caused me and others to renounce Obama. You have no reason to think she is lying even if it was not mentioned previously. You do not know enough about her to know she mentioned it before. The only thing that matters is she is a threat to your messiah and must be shot down.

Have fun in November without most of the Democratic base.

this? We have different gullibility levels, but Hillary's expectation of blind faith in light of extreme improbability is why so many renounce her.

BY THE WAY:

If she ACTUALLY MET MLK, why wasn't in her FUCKING BOOK??? If I had met him, Everyone would know.

If your threat to leave is real, why don't you just leave now and avoid the rush??

but carry on frothing at the mouth.

but continue enabling her lies.

You think it is a double standard to call her out on her lies?

:rofl:

Again and again during the Wright insanity, we heard the excuse that over 100 new threads were being started every day on that issue because the GOP would be at least that persistent.

To top it off, Bill Clinton advised anyone who didn't like taking a few unnecessary hits to get out of politics. Damned good advice.

are we Democrats really that shallow? Am I in the wrong party after all?? Could it be possible, that IF Clinton is NOT the annointed one come November....that the Democrats WOULD shoot themselves in the foot once again...and help elect McCain??? IS that POSSIBLE???...This country isn't in enough trouble already...we would deliberately ask for at least 4, count them, FOUR more years of what we've just had 8 years of??? Tell me this ISN'T SO...I don't support either of these candidates at this time, because I am not thrilled with either of them...HOWEVER...when November comes, I can't imagine that I would not vote for the DEMOCRATIC nominee, no matter which one it is...Will we ever learn? wb

by the queen of scheme, the princess of confabulation, and the woman who learned to lie at the feet of Bill, the world's heavyweight champion bullshit artist.....

Although she doesn't seem to have learned all that well.....

If you can make sense out of that, be my guest.

First real laugh of the day.

I think it was a school trip. I have a vague memory of Hillary's comments about a certain teacher that took her and classmates to see Dr. King.

On Edit - youth group trip. youth pastor took them.

I'm taking a year off of work--and both of my children are in school.

So, I can surely spend an hour on this.

She's been batting for the D. party since the 1970s as deserves the benefit of a hundred doubts.

True or not, however, it has no bearing on any real issue in this election.

it is an issue for any candidate i would vote for-

There is no evidence that she is lying rather than remembering something else. She did not say she was being shot at.

Even if it is an embellishment is it is irrelevant to any real issue. She's not lying about health care, about the war, about the worthless dollar, about anything of importance. I really wish I could give O. the same benefit of the doubt, but his promises are so open ended, I am left with the real possibility that his whole campaign is one big empty promise. An empty promise that one knows he cannot fulfill is a lie.

Except the character issue, it has no relevance.

Well, if that is your POV, then you must just love George Bush.

:eyes:

The Facts

The institution that hosted King in Chicago was the Chicago Sunday Evening Club, and it is still going strong. Its archives include typewritten index cards listing all the Sunday evening speakers in Chicago's Orchestra Hall. An index card for King reproduced below shows that the civil rights leader addressed the club on seven occasions. But he is only listed as giving the "Remaining Awake through a Revolution" sermon on one occasion, on April 15, 1962.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/hillary_and_martin_luther_king.html

more important things she has lied about. The fact that she lies is not news anymore.

if its true will you vote for her because she shook his hand?

I read the book over Christmas--it was a gift.

The book was not totally flattering to Clinton, and I believe that she and Bernstein are no longer friends because of it.

Bernstein's reputation is still good, as far as I know, and I would expect that he researched the point before he put it in the book.

The speech she said she heard him deliver in Orchestra Hall in Chicago took place in April of 1962.

...that she heard MLK in April of 1962?

Then they all ran to avoid sniper fire.

She's really a pathological liar.

that she went and joined the Goldwater Girls and later the Walmart Board. I suspect it's another fabrication, but who cares? - her reputation as a pravaricator is well established.

investigate the truth of MLK story. I can't tell you how much it bothers me everytime I hear a new twist as to what Obama heard and didn't hear in his church. Or how much he actually received from Rezko, or just what exactly happened in the purchase of his house, just to name a few. So many tales, how can one know the truth.

So yea, knock yourself out - get to the bottom of it. Kick her ass if you find one word out of place. :sarcasm:

:thumbsup: IOKIIOTL. IT'S OKAY IF IT'S OBAMA TELLING LIES. :evilgrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhVNne7R9JE

Peace!

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/hillary_and_martin_luther_king.html

As a young girl, I had the great privilege of hearing Dr. King speak in Chicago. The year was 1963. My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear someone that we had read about, we had watched on television, we had seen with our own eyes from a distance, this phenomenon known as Dr. King. He titled the sermon he gave that night "Remaining Awake Through a Great Revolution."

--Hillary Clinton, March 4, 2007, on the 42nd anniversary of Bloody Sunday in Selma.


Following on the controversy about whether Mitt Romney "saw" his father "march" with Martin Luther King Jr., a reader asked me to clarify exactly when Hillary Clinton went to hear the civil rights leader speak, an important event in her teenage years. The New York senator has presented herself as the "no surprises" candidate whose biography has been so thoroughly picked over by reporters that there is nothing new left to be discovered. It turns out that there is disagreement on even the simplest biographical facts.

According to Clinton biographers Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta (Her Way, page 20), Hillary heard Dr. King speak when she was 17, i.e. 1964-1965. Carl Bernstein, in "A Woman in Charge" (page 35), says the incident happened in the fall of 1961. Gail Sheehy, in "Hillary's Choice" (page 35), plumps for January 1963. Clinton used the January 1963 date in her Selma speech.

Guess what? They are all wrong.

The Facts

The institution that hosted King in Chicago was the Chicago Sunday Evening Club, and it is still going strong. Its archives include typewritten index cards listing all the Sunday evening speakers in Chicago's Orchestra Hall. An index card for King reproduced below shows that the civil rights leader addressed the club on seven occasions. But he is only listed as giving the "Remaining Awake through a Revolution" sermon on one occasion, on April 15, 1962.

To double check this date, I called Clinton's former youth minister, Rev. Don Jones. He told me that he arrived in Chicago in mid-1961 and left in 1963. More than four decades later, he cannot recall the precise date of the King sermon, which is understandable. But he is pretty certain that he took his youth group to hear King shortly after another lecture by a Christian theologian, Alvin Rogness, which took place in January 1962. That points to to the April 1962 date.

Jones also says that he believes he was single at the time of the lecture, as he would otherwise have taken his wife to hear King, in addition to the youth group. He was single in April 1962, but married by January 1963.

While it is impossible to be certain, the evidence points overwhelmingly to April 1962. So why did Clinton say "a cold night in January 1963" in her Selma speech? The Clinton campaign isn't saying, although I have asked them several times. The most likely explanation is that Clinton's speech writers rewrote the passage from the 1999 Gail Sheehy book, complete with the erroneous title for the sermon, without checking the facts. (The give-away clue: Both Sheehy and Clinton use the phrase "Great Revolution," which is not on the Sunday Evening Club index card.)

I should note that one of the few reporters to get this particular biographical detail right was my Washington Post colleague, Sally Jenkins, in a December 9, 2007 article describing Hillary Clinton's formative years in Chicago.
The Pinocchio Test

Nobody is suggesting that Clinton did not hear Martin Luther King speak in Chicago while she was a teenager. The precise date may seem like a minor detail, but it is a good example of how difficult it can be to nail down the facts in even the most public of lives. One Pinocchio for Clinton and her speech writers for sloppy research.

The Clintons have done this time and again. They try to place themselves in the middle of the story. Bill spoke of his youth and the agony he remembers of Black churches being burned in Arkansas. He went on and on how it troubled him and galvanized him and made him the champion of civil rights. One problem, not a single Black church was burned in Arkansas during his youth. Whoops. Both of them carry on about Sir Edmond Hillary and the Rodhams being inspired to name their daughter after someone that would not climb Mount Everest until five years later.

The MLK story is typical of the Clintons. The things that we have proof of like the blue dress and the Bosnia video, they either have no recollection or they lie.

But there is no mention of shaking hands.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/hillary_and_martin_luther_king.html

It's a handshake. This is about the most shallow thing I've seen here to date.