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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:14 PM
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Give it up Sen. Clinton: "Clinton Superdelegate Lead Nearly Erased"
Right now, Democratic Convention Watch prominently displays the superdelegate endorsement totals compiled by four major sources. The AP shows Clinton ahead 250-220, CBS shows Clinton ahead 249-217, CNN gives Clinton an advantage of 243-212, and DCW itself shows Clinton ahead 246-216. These margins are virtually identical, and all show Clinton ahead by between 30 and 32 superdelegate endorsements. However, a closer look at the numbers strongly suggests that Clinton's superdelegate advantage is actually much smaller, and will probably be erased entirely before Pennsylvania.

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  • Add-on superdelegates: Democratic Convention Watch currently shows Obama ahead 2-0 among add-on superdelegates. At this point, very few add-on superdelegates have been chosen, and the complete schedule for when the rest of the 76 add-ons will be selected can be found here. Looking over the number of add-on superdelegates from states that have already held primaries or caucuses, and keeping in mind that add-on superdelegates are reviewed by each campaign before state party committees or state pledged delegate committees vote on these delegates, it seems that Obama will lead Clinton 40-24 among these delegates...

  • "Pelosi Club" superdelegates: Democratic Convention Watch also posts a list of seven superdelegates who have publicly stated they will endorse the candidate who wins the most pledged delegates...

  • Vacant superdelegate spots: There are currently at least six vacant superdelegate slots that will be filled before the convention. Four of those are vacant DNC spots, and two of them are in heavily Democratic congressional districts where special elections will be held between now and the convention. Of the DNC slots, one is from Illinois, and another is an at-large spot that I have learned is currently slated to go to an African-American woman from SEIU. Given that sate and that union, both of those supers can be marked down for Obama. Further, one of the congressional seats to be filled before the convention will go to Donna Edwards, who has also endorsed Obama...

  • Private Obama Endorsers: In my limited discussions with uncommitted superdelegates, I have found two Obama supporters who are keeping their endorsements private for the time being, and two others who will be endorsing Obama before North Carolina....


This analysis strongly suggests that Clinton's superdelegate advantage is actually down to the low single digits at this point, and quite possibly does not exist at all given that I only know about ten uncommitted superdelegates and there are probably a lot more private Obama endorses out there.

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The reason this is important is because, without Clinton's superdelegate advantage, Obama leads by 53 delegates even with Florida included, even with Michigan included, and even with Obama receiving zero delegates from Michigan. Clinton's advantage among superdelegates is vaguely keeping her campaign afloat at this point since it makes the delegate count appear close, and since the campaign has long argued it can flip enough superdelegates in order to secure the nomination. However, remove the superdelegate advantage, and then Obama take the nomination no matter what delegate count is used, and no matter what scenario campaigns dream up. When Obama takes the lead among superdelegates, Clinton's options shrink to zero. And, unless the analysis I present here is flawed, it appears that Obama is imminently poised to take the superdelegate lead even before Pennsylvania. As long as Obama can win Indiana, the end of the nomination campaign is nigh.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/81262/

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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:33 PM
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1. GOBAMA
great news
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:44 PM
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GrandmaJones7 Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:47 PM
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3. GIVE IT UP?!?! You are obviously delusional!
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 01:48 PM by GrandmaJones7
Anything can happen before (and at) the convention -including the sudden implosion of a candidate (have you forgotten Howard Dean's famous "I have a scream" speach?). Obama's campaign could end as fast as Dean's did if he makes a mistake like that one or there are some skeletons in his closet as bad as the ones we already know about (like his Minister of Hate: Rev. Wright) or maybe - even worse!

Point is, YOU DON'T KNOW. So keep your defeatest attitude to yourself! (please).
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:48 PM
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4. And keep your hostility to yourself.
You are not Helping Clinton with this hostility.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:50 PM
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5. Why are you hoping for the downfall of one of our candidates?
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 01:53 PM by AZBlue
Why are you holding on to something (Rev. Wright) that has no relevance except from a hateful and racist point of view?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:10 PM
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19. Many of the Obama supporters have...
hoped for HRC's downfall.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:44 PM
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34. I don't think many have hoped for something catastrophic to come out about her.
I haven't seen it at least and I certainly don't feel that way. I do want her to step aside at this point, but that's because she can not win and dragging this on can only hurt our party's chances in November. And, let's face it, she's not doing herself any favors - everyday she keeps going toward the inevitable is another day making enemies.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:51 PM
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7. The delusional ones are those who keep hoping for a catastrophy to
"hit" a wonderful Democrat in order for their candidate to win. That's delusional, and also very sad and dark.

No tragedy should be wished for by persons of any good will.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:54 PM
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8. I'm trying to figure out your post.
In your subject you admonish somebody for being "delusional."

Then in your post, you admit the only hope for Clinton is something ridiculously unlikely to happen.

It does not compute.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:55 PM
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9. It sounds like you are HOPING Obama will implode
Nice attitude. You want your candidate to win, at any cost, including the implosion of a good Democratic senator.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:56 PM
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10. Your one sick puppy
Hoping for a candidate to "implode" instead of hoping he loses on the issues. Hoping for a "Dean Scream" type moment. Your one sick puppy.
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:01 PM
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14. Exactly! These "drop out Hillary" posts show
that the Obama camp is a little worried.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:08 PM
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16. You're damn right we are worried.. About CONGRESS seats.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 02:09 PM by Zachstar
Do you notice that we have Congressional seats to work for this year?

You think I care that Clinton still thinks she can cause Supers to magically turn against the pledged delegates when Al Franken is having to battle hard to get his seat? The answer is no because the simple point is Clinton has lost and she will lose so to speak in PA unless she pulls off a massive delegate gain.

There are other things happening besides this office of president race.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:08 PM
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17. ....
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:10 PM
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20. Haha!!
However, The loser here wont be Clinton but the democrats who really need support to help wins seats in congress so that we can get a filibuster proof majority.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:32 PM
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32. Nice!
And so true!!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:50 PM
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6. The Article makes a great point.
Clinton is likely to lose that last firewall before PA. She has never lost her SD lead to Obama before and the news of it happening on top of 1/2 funds compared to Obama and of course the sniper crap could mean ruin for her campaign going into may.

It is about time for her to exit. Yet if she wants to stay till PA let her. She is in a downward spiral.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:57 PM
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11. I think she's going to need to stay in until PA - her hubris won't let her quit before then.
I'm just afraid that she won't exit after that - that she really will have to be forcibly removed from the stage, so to speak. That only hurts our chances in November. Obama shouldn't have to campaign against two people at this point - his focus should be solely on McCain.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:00 PM
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13. And don't forget about congress.
McCain is a mess and is likely to lose big time against Obama (Well past computer vote theft margins)

So the focus needs to be on Congress.

Anyone here think Al Franken is going to easily win his senate seat? Has anyone heard of him lately? No? Maybe because this race is sucking the support way from Congressional issues?

It needs to end in may!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:11 PM
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21. Very very true! We don't even hear about Congressional races
It's all about Obama and Clinton - and that's wrong. We're going to have a lot of work to do very quickly, even at this point. I don't understand why any supposed Democrat would do this to their own party.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:36 PM
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27. I don't know but I still have hope she will exit before may.
And if she does not. I hope that she will not take this to the convention.

This needs to end.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:58 PM
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12. Let her campaign
The longer she continues the Tonya Harding Option, the deeper she drives the stake in the DLC and the Clinton reputation/legacy. It would be nice to finally rid the Dem Party of those corporate plants, and not have them arise like zombies in the future.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:07 PM
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15. Lots of "nearly" and "seems like" and "appears" in that article
Its pretty much a masturbatory piece, it appears
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:09 PM
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18. Seriously...
So her lead is NEARLY gone... she should give up... brilliant logic there, right?

:eyes:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:13 PM
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22. Propose a logical and reality-based counter-example.
And, yes, like in school, show your math.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:16 PM
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23. I'm talking about the OP and the article it links...
Get a grip.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:23 PM
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24. So basically you have no counter-proposal for this? Things can't be countered when they're right.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:25 PM
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25. Counter proposal to what?
Something you made up and decided to ask that was totally NOT the subject? Why should I be compelled to answer some random question you pulled out of your ass?

Go Cheney yourself.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:34 PM
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26. To the OP.
That was what we were talking about, isn't it?

BTW, your attitude is lovely - and really reflects so postitively on Sen. Clinton.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:52 PM
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28. Shows how much you know....
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 02:59 PM by Juniperx
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5382141

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5374103

You sure do know how to make shit up!

Typical Rovian response... kill the messenger... when you find someone who is actually paying attention and calling your sorry ass out on it, you insult first so you can deflect from anyone actually seeing that you were being an ass.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:01 PM
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30. Wow...all I can say is you're really rambling. Have fun with that, I shan't be playing any more.
I prefer discussions based on logic and sense. Bye-bye! :hi:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:06 PM
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31. And yet more insults...
You do KKKarl proud.

:hi:

You learned your lesson well...

No doubt your Kool Aid addled brain will still think of me as a Hillary supporter regardless of any proof to the otherwise I give.

Go ahead and take your marbles and go home... don't loose any more on your way, m'kay?

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:51 PM
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33. Yep.
And yet she remains about 30 ahead in the real world. This piece might be on to something, but it's unsubstantiated, mostly.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:54 PM
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29. k&r
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:48 PM
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35. And it gets worse for her today. IL Cong. Dan Lipinski Endorses Obama
Cong. Dan Lipinski (D-3rd) has endorsed U.S. Sen. Barack Obama for president.

Lipinski, a superdelegate, said he waited until after he won his primary to decide who he would endorse. He also said he has nothing against U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, but has decided to endorse Obama.


http://www.swnewsherald.com/news_frontpage/2008/04/040408c_endorse.php
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