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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:45 AM
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"Good Morning Sweetie!"
My wife woke me up with that line this morning.

I told her just how damn sexy she looks every morning. :evilgrin:

We could never vote for each other now, that's for sure. I can't stand being victimized with such harsh words. :sarcasm:


:smoke:
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:46 AM
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1. I get that a lot too
From your wife

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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:48 AM
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3. .
:rofl:

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:46 AM
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2. I guess "Honey Pie" is out too, huh? So much for my candidacy.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:48 AM
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4. Poor Barack. If I was in the crowd and he called me "Sweetie,"
I'd latch onto him so fast the Secret Service wouldn't have a chance of stopping me from planting a big, ole kiss on him.:rofl:
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:49 AM
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5. You and my wife both.
:rofl:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:02 AM
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25. me too!
I'm old but that wouldn't stop me!
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:17 AM
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28. Hell, yes. Me, too.
I'd tell my grandkids about it.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:51 AM
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6. Oh dear lord. Even someone of very limited mental capability
should figure out that it's perfectly fine to call your loved ones or your relatives "sweetie." While it's not proper to call people at work of business setting "sweetie."
And it's certainly not proper to tell strange women in a business setting that they look sexy.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:58 AM
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7. It's all in the tone, context and intent - no matter where it happens...
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 07:59 AM by polichick
...there are people on this board who use "sweetie" fondly, and those who use it to belittle.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:58 AM
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8. .
:rofl:

That's rich.

My boss called me sweetie two weeks after she started. I'm calling the EEOC right fucking now!!!! I'm series!!!

I wouldn't make light of serious sexual harassment issues if I were you. It's a disservice to everyone whose had to deal with it.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:02 AM
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9. Sexual harrassment?
Now Obama is harrassing his supporters by the use of one word?

Geeze will this discussion board EVER be rational and talk about real issues?
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:02 AM
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10. That's what they are trying to claim and when staring down the Clenis without a hint
of irony.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:02 AM
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11. I am not making light of sexual harassment issues.
It's ludicrous to suggest that because your wife calls you sweetie, then it's perfectly fine for a man to call a strange woman "sweetie" in a business setting.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:03 AM
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12. Then what is the point?
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 08:04 AM by izzybeans
You aren't that woman. Let her be the adult and interpret how it makes her feel.

I for one liked it when my boss called me sweetie.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:23 AM
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15. The point is, it's not proper to call women that in a business setting.
I don't know what's so hard about figuring it out.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:56 AM
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23. Adults who can navigate social settings don't need
slogans from Title 9 handbooks because they have learned how to evaluate social context.

What's next? "Smiled at a Married Woman gate"? "Wore a Suit on Casual Friday gate"? "Ate a Cheeseburger gate"?

I helped a colleague file a Title 9 complaint against a tenured professor in our grad department. It was serious as a heart attack, too, because Cal had just hired him that year. He was a very successful hotshot and no one wanted to know this about him. Being called "sweetie" wouldn't even have made the list of the stuff my friend had to deal with while she tried to work in that department.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:06 AM
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26. Eww my former advisor at Rutgers just started at Cal last year and is a hotshot.
Please tell me this is not the sociology department. He came over from U of Wisconsin.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:18 AM
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29. This was in grad English. The day after we hired him,
the story goes that Yale called and said, thanks for taking him off our hands!

I believe it, too. What a mess he was. He's lucky that all we did was open a file - re-arranging his anatomy would have been much more satisfying.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:25 AM
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30. Sounds like a real jerk.
Was he tenured?

Swift and repeated kicks to the codpiece were in order, no doubt. Opening a file was merely the high road. :applause:



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:39 AM
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32. They gave him full tenure before he even showed up --
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 10:04 AM by sfexpat2000
that was the problem. For a while, the elevator in the building had no women passengers. And you know how those departments are - the faculties are not huge. So, if you need to take a class in Century X, you have to take this guy's class. If you need to be examined in that century, this guy will be the questioner in your qualifying exam panel. The only time I ever heard my advisor (who called us Sweetie all the time, lol) threaten violence was when we told her about him.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:54 AM
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34. Wow that is bad.
Someone had to of known his personal reputation before the tenure offer was made.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:02 AM
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35. Someone had to and no one said anything. He was from the East Coast
-- maybe that played into the situation. He was THE critic on author X at the time and Cal was thrilled to get him. And the people who most looked forward to his classes turned out to be the very students most affected.

That was a great department peoplewise, too. A great place to study and to work - even for women, even for single moms like me who had to actually produce an evening meal and do stuff with kids on weekends. The Chair and other folks involved felt SO BAD when the problem bubbled up because those good people went 'way out of their way to be sensitive to the real lives of their real students.

I wonder if that guy is still around. Maybe it isn't too late to go over there and kick his @ss. Maybe I can call him sweetie, too.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:06 AM
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36. It's good that you had the support of the department. That is not always the case.
I've heard horror stories about departments stonewalling students when controversies erupt like that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:22 AM
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37. I can imagine. Even just normally uptight and or intimidated folks
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 10:40 AM by sfexpat2000
run away from this stuff or look the other way when it happens because they don't know what to do with it -- which is why the last thing anyone needs is for the word police to make people more uptight and scared. In order to solve these problems, people need to feel reasonably safe and be able to talk to each other.

/oops

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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:23 AM
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38. Couldn't of said it better.
:)
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:08 AM
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13. Jesus! I call everybody "sweetie" usually because I can't remember
their name. :*
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:08 AM
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14. The problem with America is not too much familiarity
but not enough. We need gobs more people calling each other "sweetie". In fact, "sweetie darling" would be better.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:27 AM
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17. I honestly can't believe there seem to be so many clueless
people on DU.
Here is an article that has nothing to do with Obama.
Instructions on how professors should behave with students.
Don't call your students "sweetie" cause it can be interpreted as sexual harassment. Obama should know that, since he claims he was a professor.
http://swc2.hccs.edu/tannahill/html/news_items/sx_harad.html
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:34 AM
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19. We all can't live our life like a risk averse HR compliance manager.
If we did, then we'd be living in a doubleplusgood world.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:34 AM
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20. I'm not clueless. I disagree with you.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:27 AM
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31. If it's sexual harassment it would be done more than once
People who make the claim usually have to get it past the "reasonable woman" bar. I consider myself a reasonable woman and it doesn't seem like sexual harassment to me. If Bill Clinton said that would it be considered sexual harassment by Clinton supporters? I doubt it.

If a reasonable woman would consider it OTT then it is called that way. http://www.answers.com/topic/reasonable-woman?cat=biz-fin

n evaluating alleged sexual harassment, the reasonable person standard is an objective standard of perception based on a fictitious, reasonable person. Using this standard in a sexual harassment case, the fact finder would ask whether a reasonable person in the plaintiff's position would have felt that the respondent's actions constituted grounds for a sexual harassment claim. By contrast, a reasonable woman standard allows the fact finder to ask whether a reasonable woman in the plaintiff's position would have felt that the respondent's actions constituted sexual harassment. The difference is that the reasonable woman standard accounts for the different perceptions between men and women regarding words or actions of a sexual nature.

The courts that use the reasonable woman standard recognize a difference between men and women regarding the effect of unwanted sexual interaction. Because women historically have been more vulnerable to rape and sex-related violence than have men, these courts believe that the proper perspective for evaluating a claim of sexual harassment is that of the reasonable woman.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:52 AM
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33. There's another layer to this that is linguistic.
Different cultures and subcultures use diminuitives in different ways. Far from being put downs in every case, they can be used to show respect as when my latino family says "el muertito" - "the little dead person" in stead of just "el muerto" because that would be rude.

Context matters.
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Freedomofspeech Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:35 AM
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21. I totally agree with you...
we have turned in to such a mean-spirited country.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:46 PM
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40. We live in a culture where people don't even greet their neighbors
for pete's sake. No wonder we're so messed up. :crazy:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:27 AM
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16. I guess I missed the blockbuster story. That's what I get for listening to NPR.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:33 AM
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18. You mean you don't scour blogs for ridiculous minutiae?
You are dead to me. :)
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:49 AM
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22. Lady I work with calls everyone honey even the claimants we work with.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:00 AM
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24. Thank you, Sweetie!!
:)

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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:16 AM
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27. I tend to call people "hon."
But I live in Texas. No one has ever seemed to mind a bit.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:43 PM
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39. kicked... for the humor.
:)
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:51 PM
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41. Can someone point me in the direction of the source of this "sweetie" controversy?
I'm behind on the latest faux outrages...

Thanks in advance!
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:55 PM
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42. This is the only source I've seen. A usnews blog I think.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:03 PM
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45. Thanks, sweetie!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I mean, really? This is totally a sign that we need to end this primary season. We can't even come up with good faux outrages.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:04 PM
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46. Exactly. No problem, hon.
:)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:05 PM
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47. I hope next time, Obama just calls someone "Hot Lips" instead.
:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:59 PM
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43. I thought it was sniffa!
:)
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Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:59 PM
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44. How dare she

(Don't call me Sweetie)
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:38 PM
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48. Okay, I'm with the "it's not okay" camp on this one....
I don't think it's a big deal but I also don't think it's okay to call women you don't know "sweetie." It's condescending.

I was looking for a new car about 15 years ago and walked first onto the Subaru lot. A salesman came up to me, smiled and said "what can I do for you, honey?" I glared at him, knew instantly that he'd try to rip me off because I'm female, and replied "That's Dr. Honey to you, sir." (I am a "Dr.") I walked away and as I was pulling out I realized that the manager had heard the whole thing and was chewing out the salesman -- I was a little happier at that point....and was happy knowing he'd blown a potential commission. A few days later I went to Mazda and got a salesman who spoke down to me and then said, "Let me explain car sales to you, sweetie." (We were actually in the process of negotiating on a car.) I informed him it was Dr. Sweetie and told him he'd just lost Mazda a sale and himself a commission. I bought a Honda -- no one there condescended to me and they got my business (because they make good cars....the lack of condescension was a bonus).


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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:52 PM
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49. It is a horrible and a dastardly thing to say to lady.
:rofl:

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