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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:35 AM
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Philadelphia Inquirer: It's Obama's maturity for his age that matters
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080406_It_s_Obama_s_maturity_for_his_age_that_matters.html">It's Obama's maturity for his age that matters



Senator Barack Obama speaks at a town hall meeting in Greensboro, North Carolina, on March 26. (Ellen Ozier/Reuters)


Apr. 6, 2008

By Danielle Allen, UPS Foundation Professor of Social Science at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton


The debate over whether Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton has enough experience to be president obscures the real question: When is a vote for a young candidate reasonable?
Obama's résumé compares very favorably to those of other 46-year-olds. Clinton's, compared with that of other 60-year-olds, is, with all due respect to her, thin. It is indeed distinctive, and she does have more leadership experience than many, but she probably does not rise to the top of her age cohort. Obama does. ..... Age should properly bring broader and deeper knowledge of the world as well as stability of character. We might ask, then, of our candidates - McCain, Clinton and Obama - whether age has indeed brought them those things.


But we can take the evaluation further.

When a young candidate presents him- or herself to us, the candidate effectively claims: "Although I appear to you untested, I know I can do the job."


To prove such a case, a young candidate must do four things:

Offer an evidently accurate diagnosis of present problems, one more penetrating than those offered by other candidates.
Begin to sketch out solutions, recognizing that the actual solutions themselves will emerge in their most solid form only through actual engagement in the work.
Prove a clear capacity to convert the resources of mind, spirit and treasure into effective action in the world.
Make the case for him- or herself with grace, good judgment and integrity.

When a young candidate can do all these things, we should vote for that candidate because we will have successfully elected a person of merit in the prime of life.


Obama has done all of these things.

He has offered a penetrating diagnosis of a very important central crisis in American political life. Ordinary citizens have grown less and less willing to assume what belongs to them: responsibility for their lives, and for their political futures. The workings of politics have been muddied by PACS, lobbyists, political dynasties, and wrangles over grievance and victimhood. Notions of political responsibility (i.e., that citizens are the ones responsible for their own political destiny) have degraded. Citizens are unwilling or unready to pursue solutions through practical, grass-roots action to identify common goods and shared interests. We fail to solve our collective problems and fall, instead, into name-calling.

He has offered a sketch of solutions. On each policy issue, Obama has identified specific policy goals as well as explaining how citizens will be expected to take responsibility; we might, for instance, note his insistence on involving the American people in the practical negotiations over health care.

He has proved his capacity to convert potentialities into actualities. The proof lies in his campaign. He diagnosed the dominance of incumbents as a problem in our political life. He designed a strategy to resolve it: a grass-roots campaign that would deploy the new social-networking technologies to unsettle the complacency of incumbency.

Finally, he has done all this with grace, good judgment, and integrity.





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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:38 AM
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1. If it were just age and experience McCain should be our next president
and the economy and Iraq should be doing great given the age and experience of Cheney and Rumsfeld.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:41 AM
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2. Very nice article-thanks, and rec'd! nt
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:42 AM
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3. 5th rec....
...thanks for the thread!
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:45 AM
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4. k&r
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:49 AM
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5. Logical arguments - what a refreshing change
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Rocky2007 Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:10 PM
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6. EXECELLENT Seafan!!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:48 PM
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7. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:51 PM
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8. Refreshingly well-written article. Thanks for sharing. K/R.
:kick:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:24 PM
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9. That's it!
He's the one!

Thanks!
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:31 PM
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10. You consider that a plus? That statement? It's absurd and wierd.
So when was he not ready? Was it after he became a Senator or some mystical time that only he knows of?

What a pile of crap.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:37 PM
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11. Thanks for posting this Seafan

"Begin to sketch out solutions, recognizing that the actual solutions themselves will emerge in their most solid form only through actual engagement in the work."
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:39 PM
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12. Well written, and I agree with most of it
Obama is leaps and bounds ahead of most.

However, with all due respect, "Clinton's, compared with that of other 60-year-olds, is, with all due respect to her, thin. It is indeed distinctive, and she does have more leadership experience than many, but she probably does not rise to the top of her age cohort." seems petty to me. I don't think that anyone can look at anyone, of any age, who is a sitting(or even former) US Senator and claim that they "probably do not rise to the top" compared to others their age. Even the ones like Duke and Delay are remarkable as compared to others their age, standing out in their chosen area(granted, who wants to stand out in the area of corruption). The whole piece would have been better if that had never been added.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:02 PM
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15. With all due respect ..this is putting it mildly
about a proven LIAR who is a sitting US Senator. Just because you're a senator doesn't mean you get a FREE PASS for lying to the American People or does it give you a FREE PASS to do it when you're a US President.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:16 PM
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16. Obama on Obama Violence
Seriously. Did you read what I just wrote? This was a very good piece about Obama.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:52 PM
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17. Yes, I read all of what you wrote and I stand
by my post and have some more to add...

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important

By - March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?"


http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-hillarys-lies-are-importan.php

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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:13 PM
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19. I dont disagree with any of that
It has nothing to do with what I said, however.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:01 PM
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18. Please don't email me
with stupid questions.
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 04:52 PM
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21. Oh, did Obama get absolution for his lies?
Did the Pope give him special dispensation when they made him a saint?
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:39 PM
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13. Heck, he's 47 in 2008; that is respectably middle-aged (94 if doubled)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:59 PM
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14. This is a great write-up of Obama's abilities..
in the Philadelphia Inquierer!

"He has offered a sketch of solutions. On each policy issue, Obama has identified specific policy goals as well as explaining how citizens will be expected to take responsibility; we might, for instance, note his insistence on involving the American people in the practical negotiations over health care.

He has proved his capacity to convert potentialities into actualities. The proof lies in his campaign. He diagnosed the dominance of incumbents as a problem in our political life. He designed a strategy to resolve it: a grass-roots campaign that would deploy the new social-networking technologies to unsettle the complacency of incumbency.

Finally, he has done all this with grace, good judgment, and integrity."



And, in Obama's view when asked how he was going to run the economy..

"I'd like to share a little bit of reporting on this point. The caller referred to Bear Stearns and Wall Street. And when you talk to some of the Wall Street supporters of Barack Obama they say that last summer when he was first coming to them, one of their big questions was 'How the heck are you gonna run the economy, you have no executive experience.'
And his answer was interesting. What he said then and it was before the campaign was 'I am going to use my campaign and the way I run it as a way to demonstrate to you and to the country what kind of a manager I am.'"


Obama looks well rested and happily full of confidence in this North Carolina pic.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:59 AM
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20. He is younger than HC and MC
but he is also much more mature in the way that he handles a crisis and organizes his campaign.

I am a Senior and there is no way that I want to vote for a "Misspeak" or a "Bomb Bomb Iran."

He faced the Rev. Wright issue head on.
He is quick to not put down his opponents,gracious to them at every turn.

He is the mature person in this race IMO.

He is trying hard to teach America how to respect each other.

That is the "experience" that is needed in the WH.



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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:01 PM
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22. Read that yesterday...great article
Doesn't quite make up for the Wilentz filth they published last week, but I am glad to see the Inquirer running this. Having talked to some people in the Philly suburbs who are concerned about Obama's resume, I am hoping that this article will reassure some people. I plan to print it out and distribute it when I go canvassing next weekend.
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:51 PM
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23. It's nothing more than a glorified letter to the editor.
I hope you're not going to mislead voters into thinking that's a staff-written piece, are you?
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