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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:25 PM
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"There is no such thing as a pledged delegate."
Hillary Clinton, in her desperation to find ANY path to the nomination, said that a couple days ago. I hope she realizes she just gave the green light for HER pledged delegates to switch to OBAMA, which is much more likely than the other way around at this point. And if they do, she has NO room to complain (even though I'm sure she'd find a way to cry "anti-democracy.")
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:27 PM
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1. very true...
...be careful what you ask for.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:29 PM
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5. I don't think she realizes, like with her past statements, what she says is caught on video. n/t
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:27 PM
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2. ergo. . .There is no such thing as representative leadership.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:30 PM
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6. That's right. Not if Hillary's not the beneficiary.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:37 PM
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12. I'm just wondering if her manipulations are as totally transparent to others as they
are to me.

But then I heard of a lady in PA that had no clue of the Bosnian lie the other day and was going to vote for her based solely on the "experience" ruse.

Sheesh.

She's made horrible legislative choices based on political strategy rather than what is right.

He has been involved in far more legislative activity and leadership than she.

It's such BS IMHO.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:51 PM
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15. That's the problem. I don't think they ARE...
The fact that not only have all/many people NOT heard of her Bosnian lie, there are still 12% of people who still think Obama is a MUSLIM! I hope people wake up!
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:28 PM
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3. That's A Really Good Point
Every other hand grenade that she's lobbed has come back down on her own head - why not this one?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:31 PM
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7. Thanks, Manny!
Yup-everything she does or says backfires on her.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:29 PM
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4. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them do.
Her Bosnia war story made her unelectable against McCain. Picture the ad - McCain the POW and Navy pilot and Hillary telling her story followed by the video.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:34 PM
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10. Exactly. A "war hero" vs. a person who LIED about being under fire-with video to prove it
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:32 PM
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8. Clinton is officially bankrupt on many levels.
Her Delusions De Jour regarding any possible metric in her attempted power grab have simply become exhausting.

K&R

FREE RANDI RHODES
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:33 PM
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9. Sure there are... they're in the rule books.
Not that Hillary cares about little things like rules. Desperate much?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/apache.3cdn.net/de68e7b6dfa0743217_hwm6bhyc4.pdf
http://www.democrats.org/page/-/pdf/FINAL2008CalltotheConvention.pdf
http://www.democrats.org/page/-/pdf/2008RegulationsoftheRBCFINAL.pdf
http://www.democrats.org/page/-/pdf/20080213_2008UnpledgedPLEOList.pdf
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:35 PM
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11. I really hope that neither candidate
either goes after the other's pledged delegates nor accepts them (although it's very hard NOT to, I suppose). Pledged delegates are representatives of the people that voted for a candidate, not people that themselves (that's a difference between them and, say, a member of congress). Their most important representation is that of vote for the nomination, not generic public policy.

Anyway, Hillary needs to knock off this constant talk of "pledged delegates are free to vote for who they want" and the like... it doesn't reflect well on her at all (talk about voter disenfranchisement!)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:54 PM
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16. I seriously doubt Obama's going after Hillary's pledged delegates. I go by his
actions of his when he was DOWN over 20 points in the polls. He never turned to such tactics, or at least never said the things SHE'S saying out of desperation.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:46 PM
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13. tawdry spectacle of Hillary's shameless hypocrisy

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/dylan_loewe/2008/04/the_writing_on_clintons_wall.html

Out of one side of her mouth, Hillary argues that all remaining contests should be completed before a decision is made and that Florida and Michigan ought to be seated for fear of their disenfranchisement. Out of the other side, she argues that the delegates that were allocated based on state primaries and caucuses should actually ignore their obligation to support the candidate to which they were pledged. She is uncomfortable disenfranchising Florida and Michigan, but perfectly content tossing out the other 48.

Randi Rhodes was right.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:12 PM
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26. clinton's stance: hypocrisy, not democracy.
NT!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:47 PM
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14. Of course she realizes that. Doesn't matter when you're doubling down.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:11 PM
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17. Yup. Sad, isn't it?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:12 PM
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18. She must hate being a Senator.
She does not want to go back to that job--AT ALL!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:20 PM
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19. I agree-but as a New Yorker-I'd LOVE her to remain my senator.
:D
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:51 PM
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20. If that were the case, democrats could have saved a whole bunch of money...
instead of wasting in on primaries caucuses.

Why bother courting voters if their votes are going to be overturned by delegates. If that were the case, wouldn't we just court the delegates and the Hell with the voters?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:53 PM
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21. Good point...
and good question!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:58 PM
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22. Exactly! What the hell does she think these primaries were for?
If there were no such thing as "pledged delegates" then we wouldn't waste our time holding caucuses either. The old party machine could just select certain individuals to go to the national convention and vote for the nominee then, like they used to, clear back in 1968.

When Hillary was busy throwing her bookbag around her room.

LoL
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:44 PM
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23. Hillary doesn't care about democracy. She cares about WINNING. n/t
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:01 PM
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24. Next thing she'll say is there is no such thing as pledgign the oath...ooo,ooo, feel illl..
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 07:02 PM by cooolandrew
:puke:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:08 PM
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25. Nah-that wouldn't make a case for her winning the nomination. n/t
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