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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:21 PM
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Cast all the vote counts and Primaries and Delegates aside, How has Hillary Clinton made her case ?
IF we were to cast all the vote counts and Primaries and Delegates aside, How has Hillary Clinton made her case that SHE is the best leader to take the nomination? What has she done so far in her campaign to make it OBVIOUS to all Americans that she can be the nominee, and that she can be elected?

This is the question the uncommitted super delegates will be asking themselves, and the American people. Otherwise, the super delegates will voted along with their state primary majority, unless, of course, they are promised something for going against their state's choice. That's how super delegates decide.

AGAIN:

"How has Hillary Clinton made her case that SHE is the best leader to take the nomination? What has she done so far in her campaign to make it OBVIOUS to all Americans that she can be the nominee, and that she can be elected? "




This is the question the uncommitted super delegates will be asking themselves, and the American people.
What would be YOUR answer?
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:27 PM
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1. Somehow I wonder if Hillary people see it this way.
Just a question to see if anyone sees this thread as relevant.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:31 PM
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2. Sorry-but she HASN'T, which is why this thread will probably sink...
Her only "case" is "Obama can't win."
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:34 PM
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4. Thanks for your thoughts, I agree, maybe this thread will sink. n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:36 PM
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5. Whenever someone asks Hillary supporters to give positive reasons why she should be the nominee,
the thread has to be kicked repeatedly to get ANY response, and even then, they're usually just anti-Obama. :hi:
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:38 PM
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8. Thanks for your observation! So this has ..
been tried before? This has resulted in little more than hateful bickering before? Well, that's sad, isn't it?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:39 PM
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9. Yes. Several times. n/t
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:34 PM
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3. I actually think her campaign has pointed out why she's NOT the best leader
Imagine the WH ran with as much inept self rightious arrogance as her campaign has been run.

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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:37 PM
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6. Seems she can't manage EITHER the Message NOR the budget.
I think it will have to close after IN, if not by PA, when she has such debts, such a smaller $ support base, and such a strange and less-than-hopeful message.

Hillary supporters: now's your chance to practice how you will tell the uncommitted super delegates why Hillary is the one, I look forward to your making your case, based upon her campaign, and not the person to whom she is married.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:37 PM
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7. "All power to the people" from a lying DLC whore is my take on HRC.
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 02:39 PM by bobthedrummer
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:45 PM
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10. She's a woman.
That's what they got now. The history of it.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:47 PM
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11. This is something she did during this campaign? I thought she had
ALWAYS been a woman!

Oh, I see, every person who chooses someone OTHER THAN Hillary, as an anti-feminist... got it!
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:59 PM
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12. I guess she only became the symbol of American feminist movement
AFTER a man cleaned her clock in the primaries and caucuses.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:06 PM
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13. NO, she became a woman
at birth
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:13 PM
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14. Unabashed Kick!
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:15 PM
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15. Very relevant question. knt
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:24 PM
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16. So many posts, not a single Clinton supporter dares post here
I guess that pretty much sums it up. Hillary can't win those super delegates based upon reason and her campaign history, now, can she!
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:28 PM
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17. Watch every debate, back to back to back
Starting from the first one, which was April 2007 if I remember correctly. I was an Edwards supporter at that point, no real concern in the Hillary/Obama matter. My first preference was Mark Warner and a legit opportunity to expand our electoral base, before he opted out.

IMO, there's very little reasonable assessment that Hillary hasn't dominated the totality of the debates. And I'm always for long term excellence, not late arriving masked improvement, similar to cramming for a test. It would take partisan blindfolds to deny Hillary has outperformed Obama in those 20+ debates. Show the super delegates the full season, if you will, and Hillary's case has been made.

In the early debates you had Obama wobbles, like a CEO-type response when asked what he would do in the event of a terrorist attack. There was no threat of emotion. Don't think for one second that clip won't be featured in a GOP ad. I cringed when I heard it.

Regardless, I'm not interested in making a case to the people. I want the party brass to dictate nominees, if we're really interested in winning the White House more often. That's been my position long before joining this forum in '02. Kerry was Example A, after DU was formed, so the primary handicapping is 0-1. I'm supposed to be impressed by priorities that may earn 50/50, at best? LOL. The same line of thinking that elevated Kerry in '04 is evident on this forum right now, boosting Obama. Many of the same posters.

The true moving goal post in '08 is not anything Hillary has been responsible for. We're somehow content to ignore the QBing responsible for the '90s, and economic prosperity. Rookie QBs tend to have their backs smug to their own goal post.

Really, I shouldn't be cute. There's a thread here right now, a cute bundling of Hillary's so-called moving goal posts. My focus is January 20 and beyond. The Obama supporters are failing to properly weight the likelihood of significant economic upturn in an Obama presidency as opposed to a Hillary presidency. That's as basic as I can make it. It reminds me of my early years in Las Vegas, when I fell for hype too often, the peripheral fluff. But when you spend 20 years with your summers dependent on how well you handicap, either 3 months of carefree globetrotting the country/planet, or 3 months of miserable 115 degree furnace hell, you tend to grasp the big picture.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:11 PM
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18. Perhaps if you re-read the question and try again
What exactly has Hillary done to win the nomination?

Rookie quarterbacks like Bill Clinton and Senator Al Gore, and the "invention of the internet", (largely responsible for the prosperity of the 90's), has little to do with my original question.

So, show me how Hillary is proving herself a capable chief executive,based upon her losing campaign, OK?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:15 PM
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19. She's running a 90s DLC campaign, and it's not working n/t
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:51 PM
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21. Right, America has moved on
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:17 PM
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20. she hasn't whatsoever. She always speaks vaguely, in platitudes
I have found her very empty and unconvincing when making her case, and that is part of the reason Obama gains ground wherever he campaigns
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:57 PM
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22. She hasn't made the case and that's why she's losing it.
The key word in this election is "change" and that doesn't mean Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton of another gender.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:53 PM
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23. She won many of the debates. She's great on specifics. She's proven
she will roll up her sleeves and fix problems when/if she gets the highest office in the land.
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