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arundhatiroyfan Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:00 PM
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What dirt can Obama or Clinton throw at McCain in the GE?
And do you think McCain will exploit his status as war hero in debates and in the news? How could our candidate counter this?
I personally hope McCain will face Obama because in the best case scenario he will make him look like an uncharismatic, senile old man. That's not a nice thing to do but I think it will help in the GE.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:01 PM
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1. John McCain supports the war in Iraq.
That's plenty.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:01 PM
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2. Lose-cannon who pisses off his friends and betrays his family members.
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ElkHunter Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:02 PM
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3. Well they could start with...
...the Keating 5 savings and loan scandal.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:02 PM
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If He Dies
they can throw dirt on his grave.



Do not die Sen. McCain, I'm only being silly.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:02 PM
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4. Only one Senator has missed more votes this session.
McCain has missed over 50%.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:46 PM
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11. I'm sure Clinton/Obama don't have stellar records there either.
Probably not an effective line of attack.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:03 PM
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5. Funny you should ask.
10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):

1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."2

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3

4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."4

5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.5

6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.6

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."7

8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."9

10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10

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arundhatiroyfan Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:06 PM
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7. I especially like point 2.
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 04:10 PM by arundhatiroyfan
Great if our dem candidate would pick this up.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:03 PM
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6. He understands nothing of our economic woes, or future.
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:08 PM
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8. I don't think he needs to or even should throw dirt
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 04:09 PM by FightingIrish
His positive message is working in the primaries. If the swiftboating starts, I think Obama will deal with it effectively. Making McCain a victim is a bad strategy when the contrasts are clear and America's young voters are energized.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:13 PM
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9. Quite a few of us remember a crazy old uncle who fought in a war and never got beyond it.
McCain is like that. You have to treat him kindly in regard to his service while making it clear that the direction we need to go in is ahead of us, not behind us.

People need to be reminded that WWIII would be the end of the world as we (or possibly all living creatures with the exception of cockroaches) know it.

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:16 PM
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10. The Bush administration.
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 04:21 PM by rocknation


Just promise America four more years of the McSame inarticulateness, inappropriateness, ignorance, arrogance, economic decline, union busting, quasi-theocracy, greed and cronyism.

:headbang:
rocknation
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:58 PM
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12. McCain's economic adviser, Phil Gramm pushed through the deregulation
of the banking industry that has been a catalyst for the current subprime mortgage crisis.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08097/870634-176.stm

Also, McCain's health care plan entails a $2500 for individual $5000 for families tax credit for health insurance. There are no requirements to cover preexisting conditions. I read in Fortune magazine that his plan was to make the cost of employer provided health insurance taxable income. I didn't see that on his website, but that would match what Bush had been proposing at one time.

McCain says consumers would be able to but insurance from ANY insurer in the country instead of within your state as is now the case. This would have the likely result in raising administrative costs exponentially for health care providers as they now have to deal with many more insurers' forms, rules, etc.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:03 PM
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13. All we have to do is give him a gently shove and watch him go over the edge.
If I were his handlers I'd be stocking up on some kind of drugs for him to take before debates, etc. With his temper and historical tendency to go off like a stick of dynamite all it's going to take is one or two nice, polite, incredibly gracious, dry and witty comments from Senator Obama and McCain will take care of it himself. Dean Scream? Hah. Wait 'til you hear the McCain Meltdown.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:34 PM
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14. How to beat McCain
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:36 PM
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15. He's not healthy enough to be CIC
Emotionally or physically. Too old. Too sick. Too unstable. Damaged goods.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:38 PM
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16. We don't need dirt. The issues are against McCain n/t
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