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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:41 PM
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******* Breaking News - Mark Penn leaving Clinton Campaign! On CNN Now!
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 06:34 PM by Catherina
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Press Release

4/6/2008
Statement from Maggie Williams

After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign.

Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson will coordinate the campaign's strategic message team going forward.


http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6949


My thread is a dupe! Please see this thread instead: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5408844

And then see this one Mark Penn is not leaving Hillary's campaign, he's changing his title

MODS, please lock my thread or combine with the other one.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:42 PM
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1. Not going to be enough to save a sinking ship.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:45 PM
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3. I know but I'm ROFL!
Here's to Randi :toast: Boy is she ever going to have fun with this one
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:00 PM
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34. Let Us Drink Baby! The Turd In The Punch Bowl Is Now Flushed!
A bit too late but so fucking satisfying. Corpulent Mark gets the HEAVE HO. Fuck Off FAT BASTARD!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:04 PM
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40. I'm having a glass of that bottle of wine we opened for lunch yesterday
:hi:

May I suggest this song for a good celebration?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zbnQIeDhx4 :rofl:
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:43 PM
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2. Too bad. He was a great asset for Obama.
Bye Mark.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:46 PM
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6. Agree. Wolfson isn't too shabby either though n/t
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 05:46 PM by Catherina
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:45 PM
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4. "The chief strategist for Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, Mark Penn, is giving up
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 05:46 PM by dkf
that post, the campaign says."

http://www.cnn.com/
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:48 PM
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10. ...To spend more time with Family and Companies bent on driving our economy in to the gorund
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:45 PM
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5. Too Late... the Damage Has Been Done
now the media will focus on WHO he is and WHO he worked for in the past. Not good for Hillary's campaign and rightfully so.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:54 PM
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18. I was thinking this would be a tough call for HRC's campaign-
If you boot Penn you essentially admit he was a slime with questionable clients.

Keep him, and you're complicit in his work for the "bad guys".

This was probably the best choice for her.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:56 PM
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23. I think so too. And who knows what else was going to come out? n/t
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:05 PM
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42. It Was the "right" Thing to Do
but her hiring in the first place will be what most wonder about. It says something negative about her judgement.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:11 PM
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46. I don't see how she can
try to feign ignorance (if that's the route she takes) as to what kind of clients BM caters to. And you nailed it -- if the press asks her "why did you hire this person who is associated with a firm who represents clients who do NOT represent America's best interests?" -- what the hell can she say?

Although in this case, they were representing America's best interests, according to Bushco.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:15 PM
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55. That's Exactly It
She really got herself in a pickle... every bit of exposure of Penn is going to tarnish her campaign even more. Why she hired him is beyond me... just bad judgement.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:29 PM
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66. .
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:12 PM
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47. Give her a break. She hired him at 3am. It was a mis-hiring
:rofl:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:16 PM
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57. Lol... be nice
you almost made me ruin my new keyboard! :spray:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:37 PM
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68. Maybe this will help your keyboard
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 06:37 PM by Catherina


:rofl:

It's just the cat in me. I hope your keyboard's ok ;)
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:54 PM
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74. Save the book-bag.. but bail bail bail
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. ROFL! That picture's priceless n/t
:rofl:
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:47 PM
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7. So that means Wolfson is running the show now?
Double screwed.

Unless they appeal to Carville to ride to the rescue - and I don't even think he can help at this point.

- as
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:15 PM
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54. Carville and Maitlin are jumping ship
They are supposed to move back to Louisiana from what I recall reading here about a week or two ago.

I wouldn't be surprised if they knew sh*t was about to hit the fan.

I know so many wondered why the hell they continued to ignore the MATH that said that she would have to win > 60% of ALL the remaining 10 contests JUST to break even with Obama! There is NO WAY she can do that. The closest she might get is getting 60% in KY and/or WV but that's it. No way she'll get that in PA with Philadelphia voting overwhelmingly for Obama.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:47 PM
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8. Rats/sinking ship....
...LMBO! :rofl:

Bu-bye, asshole....wonder if you are gonna have to sue Hilly for your last pay check. At least with the release of he tax returns, you know where the money is!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:56 PM
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24. Well this WILL free up more money for her campaign! nt
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:47 PM
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9. Why doesn't someone sit down with Hillary, give her a cookie, and explain the sad truth to her?
It's ludicrous to still have a campaign.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:54 PM
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20. I really don't understand your thinking. Why should she quit
and give Obama a free ride? What bothers everybody for her to finish the race?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:56 PM
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22. That's my question too?
Pat "I Hate Democracy" Leahy will not answer that question.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:59 PM
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29. Because...
...she is losing. Get it yet?
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:00 PM
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33. No, it's not over yet. Do you get it. There are still many voters left to vote.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:03 PM
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38. She Cannot Win. It's over. Finished. There aren't enough votes ahead for her to win.
The only hope she has is a coup via SDs. That would destroy the party.

What's more important to you -- a Democratic President or Hillary going to the end?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:01 PM
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36. Free ride? He's won the nomination -- she cannot win unless she bullies him into quitting
Or somehow steals all his SDs.

How is that winning?

I would LOVE to be supporting Edwards at this point, but the choice has been made -- I want a strong party and not
merely to force my will upon the party.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:57 PM
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26. She's stone cold deaf n/t
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:01 PM
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37. what does that mean?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:03 PM
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39. Obviously that she's incapable of listening to reason n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:04 PM
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41. What Melody said in post 39 n/t
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:48 PM
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11. Guess when Rendell said he had to go that was it
He was starting to screw up Pennsylvania for them.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:50 PM
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12. It's a little late though. One monumental failure and lie after another
No worse time to resign/get fired - than in the midst of a scandal. She's already been caught in the Nafta Lie, the Columbians didn't know if he was there representing her or his company?!?! I think that says it all about crooked clinton.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:50 PM
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13. I didn't expect it to be so soon.
There must be a lot more dirt on Penn they don't need getting public.

What a "sad" day for Hillary. I'm all choked up. NOT.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:51 PM
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14. I guess Rendell knew something
when he appeared on MTP and was just waiting for the shoe to drop.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:57 PM
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27. I didn't see MTP today. What did he say exactly? n/t
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:59 PM
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77. here you go (via CNN)
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/06/rendell-criticizes-penn-hints-he-should-be-fired/
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:59 PM
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31. I missed it --
did he give any indication? Was a question asked about Penn? Thanks. (A short synopsis will do :7)
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:10 PM
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45. I don't recall Russert doing anything on Penn
but he did sock it to Rendell with the delegate issue and the Clinton campaign's insistence on overturnng the will of the voters via SDs.

Rendell was on the defensive most of the time. I know people who haven't experienced him for the 30 years that many of Philadelphians have might think that when he's running his mouth alot, this is saving him and he's winning some argument. But in this instance, he is on the losing side and you could see it in his face, and none of his requisite motor-mouthing could get him out of that.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:13 PM
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49. Good.
She has taken some stances of late that are hard to justify -- and they DO put her on the defensive.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:00 PM
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78. here
CNN had the story earlier: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/06/rendell-criticizes-penn-hints-he-should-be-fired/
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:51 PM
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15. ,
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:51 PM
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16. Take the 6 mill and run back to Blackwater
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:01 PM
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35. Did you see his page at Sourcewatch? That's some bad stuff n/t
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:54 PM
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17. Anbody want to get that barn door?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:06 PM
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43. Rofl! More delegates to jump ship next n/t
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:54 PM
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19. too little too late...if she had done this two months ago it might have been different
Sorry hillary
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:59 PM
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30. I find it very hard to believe that 2 months ago would have made a
difference to the Obama folks. The only thing that these folks want is for Hillary to give it up and let Obama have a free ride.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:25 PM
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65. She should have fired him after the Super Tuesday slaughter.
That would have given the campaign a bit more time to regroup and not be forced to trickle out some controversial staff removals. But instead, she dumped her Hispanic campaign manager in a public way, pissing off yet another group of supporters, while keeping Jabba the Hutt on, who was content to milk her campaign dry.

Now he'll just sail off into the sunset and put all his time and effort on helping McCain beat the Democrats, now knowing all the Democratic Party's strategies, just like how Carville passed on info to the repukes via his wife Mary Maitlin when Kerry ran.

This is how opportunists work.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:08 PM
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44. This is where I really don't get Hillary
Instead of paying any attention to criticism, she dug her heels in deeper and her supporters kept encouraging her.

I don't get it. If Obama did something stupid, I'd let his campaign know in no uncertain terms. I'm a bit sad to see her sink this dramatically but she was in control and made her own choices. OTOH, I'm glad she didn't listen.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:55 PM
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21. Heckuva job, Markie!
Enjoy your millions!
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:56 PM
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25. Goodbye to bad rubbish
Now, he can direct all his (totally tin-eared) efforts to the McCain campaign.

And think of the money Hillary will be saving!
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:58 PM
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28. Stick a fork in Hillary .. she's done.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:59 PM
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32. What do they mean by "after the events of the last few days?"
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:13 PM
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50. His shilling for a right wing Bush loyalist in Columbia.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:15 PM
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53. Thanks.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:15 PM
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56. I'll try to find a link.
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 06:17 PM by izzybeans
Found one:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/04/858680.aspx

plenty more via the googlizer.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:16 PM
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58. Thanks. I already Googled it.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:17 PM
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59. Cool.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:18 PM
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60. Colombia I think. Now he's twice unemployed
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 06:18 PM by Catherina
A few days ago the News started reporting that he was working for and meeting with Colombian officials to discuss a free-trade agreement while Clinton's on the campaign trail telling people she opposes it. Colombia fired him yesterday!

His firm also has a shitload of bad clients like Blackwater and torturers but it was the Colombia thing that did it.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:12 PM
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48. I hope Clinton gets a refund. What an expensive problem to have had.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:13 PM
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51. She cant afford to pay him anymore
my bet that's behind his leaving.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:14 PM
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52. Good! That guy was sabotage city.
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 06:15 PM by anamandujano
He was to Hillary what Brazile was to Gore.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:20 PM
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62. He was very bad for Hillary.
You know I can't stand her campaign but part of me really hates seeing her go down like this. I hope she finds someone better. He's been very bad for her.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:20 PM
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61. Woooooooo-hoooooooo!!!
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 06:21 PM by rainbow4321
Of course, it is probably a cover for getting out of a gig that is NOT paying and that will NOT get him a WH connection in November...as damaging as the Columbia thing is, the headline "Penn leaving Clinton campaign due to being owed **several millions** of dollars in backpay" is the last thing HRC wants.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:21 PM
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63. Staying on as a pollster
Is NOT leaving the campaign - this is a distinction without a difference and more too cute by half hi-jinks by the Billarys. Leaving the campaign is packng you bag and being hit on the ass by the door on your way out.

This is window dressing.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:35 PM
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67. I just saw that and updated my post. Window dressing is right n/t
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:24 PM
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64. .
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:38 PM
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69. Thank you Hillary.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:38 PM
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70. Like throwing out the anchor after hitting a dozen icebergs.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:53 PM
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73. Bail Bail Bail... Save the book-bag though
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:39 PM
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71. Penn's "stepping down" from a positiion he previously claimed he never had. Ironic.
He's also staying with the campaign so reports of his "departure" are greatly exaggerated. The behind the scenes story should be interesting.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:47 PM
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72. She isn't go to cut all ties
Cuz he can probably say "fine, I want to be paid IN FULL right NOW" and given that her last publically reported IOU to his firm is just under $3 million (March 20th FEC report) and she only has $7 mil left to use in the primary, she might as well give her concession speech, like, tonight.

So even if she WANTED to totally dump him, she may not be ABLE to dump him.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:56 PM
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75. is this day one? I am confused
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:02 PM
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79. WOOHOO!!! SO LONG, BLACKWATER PENN!!!
Excuse me while I have a schadenfreudegasm and enjoy as Clinton's staff wails and flails as one of their bigwigs is disgraced!
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