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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:19 AM
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Barack Obama may lose support in Philadelphia over 'street money'
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 07:31 AM by Pirate Smile

Barack Obama may lose support in Philadelphia over 'street money'


CULTURE CLASH: Barack Obama campaigns in Philadelphia last week. His people are telling Democratic leaders there that he won’t pay “street money” to those who help the campaign.

By Peter Nicholas, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
April 11, 2008

Fourteen months into a campaign that has the feel of a movement, Sen. Barack Obama has collided with the gritty political traditions of Philadelphia, where ward bosses love their candidates, but also expect them to pay up.
The dispute centers on the dispensing of "street money," a long-standing Philadelphia ritual in which candidates deliver cash to the city's Democratic operatives in return for getting out the vote.

Flush with payments from well-funded campaigns, the ward leaders and Democratic Party bosses typically spread out the cash in the days before the election, handing $10, $20 and $50 bills to the foot soldiers and loyalists who make up the party's workforce.
It is all legal -- but Obama's people are telling the local bosses he won't pay.
That sets up a culture clash, pitting a candidate who promises to transform American politics against the realities of a local political system important to his presidential hopes.
Pennsylvania holds its primary April 22.

Obama's posture confounds neighborhood political leaders sympathetic to his cause. They caution that if the senator from Illinois withholds money that gubernatorial, mayoral and presidential candidates have willingly paid out for decades, there could be defections to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. And the Clinton campaign, in contrast, will oblige in forking over the money, these ward leaders predict.

"We've heard directly from the Obama organizer who organizes our ward, and he told us it's an entirely volunteer organization and that I should not expect to see anything from the Obama campaign other than ads on TV and the support that volunteers are giving us," said Greg Paulmier, a ward leader in the northwest part of the city.
Neither the Clinton nor the Obama campaign would say publicly whether it would comply with Philadelphia's street money customs. But an Obama aide said Thursday that it had never been the campaign's practice to make such payments. Rather, the campaign's focus is to recruit new people drawn to Obama's message, the aide said.
The field operation "hasn't been about tapping long-standing political machinery," the aide said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-streetmoney11apr11,0,6553901.story



This reminds me of this game also:


Refusing to narrowcast

My colleague Carrie Budoff Brown has a good story on the gay press's dissatisfaction with Obama's refusal to grant them interviews, and he responded to the controversy in an interview in the Advocate in which he made explicit a central aspect of his candidacy:


I don’t think it’s fair to say silence on gay issues. The gay press may feel like I’m not giving them enough love. But basically, all press feels that way at all times. Obviously, when you’ve got limited amount of time, you’ve got so many outlets. We tend not to do a whole bunch of specialized press. We try to do general press for a general readership.


Obama goes on to say that the Spanish-language and African-American press have the same gripe, and makes this central point:


But I haven’t been silent on gay issues. What’s happened is, I speak oftentimes to gay issues to a public general audience. When I spoke at Ebenezer Church for King Day, I talked about the need to get over the homophobia in the African-American community, when I deliver my stump speeches routinely I talk about the way that antigay sentiment is used to divide the country and distract us from issues that we need to be working on, and I include gay constituencies as people that should be treated with full honor and respect as part of the American family.

So I actually have been much more vocal on gay issues to general audiences than any other presidential candidate probably in history. What I probably haven’t done as much as the press would like is to put out as many specialized interviews. But that has more to do with our focus on general press than it does on … I promise you the African-American press says the same thing.



...
But Obama's disinclination to narrowcast, and to target small groups, is an area where his campaign matches his message, and it extends beyond specialty press. He got very few labor endorsements in the first stage of the campaign, for instance, because he didn't pander or focus on narrow issues when he talked to labor groups. Hillary would talk to labor groups about their specific contract conditions, or on a battle over tips, and get roaring applause. Obama would give his stump speech, and receive a tepid response. They came to him, in the end, giving them less leverage over him.

He's also lagged on the fundraising organized by ethnicity: Clinton has been successful in raising millions from specific Asian communities -- Fujianese, Indians; Obama (with the exception of the surge in big African-American money) less so. This applies to electioneering as well: Hillary occasionally sends out press releases to please the Polish, say, or Greek communities, honoring holidays or anniversaries; Obama does much less frequently.

The result, in this case, is that the communities have had to come to him. I spoke with a prominent gay leader about this recently, and he expressed mixed feelings: He likes Obama's message and his promises; but he feels that the organized community -- and the leader himself -- can't call Obama on the phone, remind him of past favors, and demand allegiance, if he wavers once in the White House.

Still, on balance, Obama's promises to be a different White House when it comes to the relationship to the traditional power brokers. He's made fewer promises, and owes less, to labor, and to the organized civil rights communities. And he owes much less, of course -- and most important of all -- to the people who give many of those communities their clout: large donors.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Refusing_to_narrowcast.html


Obama's allegiance will be to the people, not the special interests. That doesn't just seem like just campaign rhetoric anymore. Nobody owns this guy. That must be scary to a lot of people.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:22 AM
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1. Street money was an issue in South Carolina
It didn't seem to hurt him there.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:35 AM
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5. Interesting. I'd love to know more details about how that all went down - i.e. if the Clinton
camp was still handing it out and what was the reaction on the street. It obviously didn't help win HRC many votes.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:43 AM
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12. I'll see if I can come up with a link later today
I remember clearly that I read about it leading into SC.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:30 AM
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23. Politico just posted this and connects SC, too
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 08:31 AM by WesDem
The Los Angeles Times reports from Philadelphia that Obama isn't going along with an urban political practice of distributing cash to election day get-out-the-vote workers.

This reminds of of the Obama campaign's refusal in South Carolina to hire up that state's African-American political machine: Clinton had community leaders on payroll as consultants. But given the share of the black vote Obama won there, and since, any voters they brought to the polls probably voted for her rival. IN Philadelphia:

(Ward Leader Greg) Paulmier said that of his ward's 48 committee people, the vast majority supported Obama. Though he doesn't expect a wholesale exodus to the Clinton campaign if no street money is paid, a handful of those key people might bolt, he said.

"If word gets out that the Clinton campaign is going to make . . . more support available to committee people, maybe five of the 48 might defect," he said.


The trap, though, is that if Clinton activates the machine, she's probably pulling out Obama voters. The risk to Obama isn't so much that Clinton invests -- as her backing from local leaders may oblige her to do -- but that nobody does.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Street_money.html


Edit: I will still look for the "street money" in SC piece I was thinking of.



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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:42 AM
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32. Ha - I was just going to post that - it is too late to edit the OP though.
Thanks for adding it to the thread.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:18 AM
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36. This is still not the piece I was thinking of
But I might as well post this bit.

South Carolina political veterans said Obama's ground organization was one of the best they had seen, consisting of 9,000 volunteers and nearly 150 voting-day staging areas. His operation overlooked no potential source of votes.

Most significantly, Obama virtually swept the African American vote despite rejecting typical tactics deployed in the South; aides said they hadn't paid "street money" to local leaders and community organizers to get people to the polls. Obama campaign officials had bragged about bucking this long-entrenched system, but they weren't certain until Saturday whether it would work.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/26/AR2008012601018_pf.html

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:32 AM
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38. This is it
I don't have the original link to this Wall Street Journal piece, but I found it posted to a blog.

http://hannah.smith-family.com/?p=2227

:hi:

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:52 AM
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40. I'll post some from the link plus something OT but seems to go along with the theme today
In South, Democrats’ Tactics May Change Political Game

By: Wall Street Journal

By CHRISTOPHER COOPER , VALERIE BAUERLEIN AND COREY DADE

COLUMBIA, S.C. — The contest between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in South Carolina this Saturday is the next big test in the tight battle for the Democratic presidential nomination. In the long term, the showdown could also upend the way politics are practiced across the South.

In early voting states such as Iowa and New Hampshire, campaigns use rallies and personal appearances to get votes. Now, the nominating races have moved to bigger states, including much of the South. Candidates here rely on endorsements from powerful politicians and preachers. It is a tradition that has evolved since the 1960s to garner support among poor blacks who look to their preachers for both spiritual and political guidance. And it is the way Mrs. Clinton, like countless Democratic politicians before her, is running her campaign in South Carolina.

Mr. Obama, in contrast, is trying something many observers say has never been done here: He is circumventing entrenched local leadership and building a political machine from scratch. His staff consists largely of community organizers — many from out of state or with no political experience — who are assembling an army of volunteers. It is a strategy often used by labor organizations and in neighborhood and town politics.


....
“If he pulls this off — and I think he will — Barack Obama’s organization will be studied and replicated in this state for many years to come,” says Inez Tenenbaum, a former South Carolina superintendent of education who has run four statewide races in the past decade. She is one of the few prominent state Democrats backing Mr. Obama.

The strategy has risks. The endorsement system of politics evolved precisely because it was locals, not outsiders, who knew where voters here lived and how to get them to the polls.

Clinton campaign officials greet the Obama strategy with skepticism.
Kelly Adams, state director for the Clinton campaign and a South Carolina native, says her staff does its share of grass-roots organizing, staging fish fries, rallies and what she calls “salon outreach” in the state’s barbershops. But she says these activities aren’t enough to win an election. “We have a lot of endorsements from people who have been doing this longer than I have been alive,” says Ms. Adams. The campaign will also involve hiring scores of locals, based on the recommendations of pastors and politicians, to drive out the vote. “I think it’s a pretty fair fight — we have a political machine unmatched by any other in the state.”



The OT story is this -


Big Tent" Re-Opens: Obama Campaign Reverses CA Delegate Purge

Twenty-four hours after the Obama campaign cut 900 delegate candidates across California, the campaign reversed itself and reinstated all candidates. In an email sent to all Californians running to be Obama delegates at this summer's Democratic National Convention, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe wrote:

In recognition of this tremendous enthusiasm, our campaign has asked the California Democratic Party to allow all persons who have filed to be a district delegate candidate for Senator Obama at the Democratic National Convention to participate in the caucuses this Sunday, April 13, 2008.

We are confident that delegates elected from this pool will reflect the Senator's commitment to a diverse and unified delegation at the National Convention.


An overwhelming number of supporters have signed up to run for delegate, so there will likely be lines and tight space at the caucus locations. We ask for everyone's patience and cooperation.

Most of all, please enjoy this opportunity to meet other Obama supporters and elect delegate candidates to the Convention in Denver.

Thanks for your interest and active participation in Barack's campaign to change politics and change America.


On a personal note, it's gratifying to know that the campaign made the decision to restore the candidacies of hundreds of volunteers and supporters. The campaign didn't have to and could have weathered out the mini-storm until Sunday. After telling my story yesterday, I spoke to many Obama supporters and other delegate candidates (those who were cut and those who weren't). All were flummoxed by why the campaign would choose to exclude so many supporters, including volunteers who have traveled to multiple states and given up nights and weekends in order to help Senator Obama win state after state.

There are some important unanswered questions that remain in the wake of the candidate purge. For instance, of the 17 candidates who remained in my district (CD30) after the cuts, three had given more than $1,000 each to Senator Clinton's campaign (two of those had also given to Obama, but one had given only $250 and made the Clinton donation more recently). If the Obama campaign was intent on removing candidates with potential loyalty problems, why would those candidates remain on the list? Even if the goal was to streamline the process, why would those candidates remain on the list?

Would I like to represent my district in Denver and cast my vote for Senator Obama at the Convention? Absolutely. But was preserving my chance to do so the most important thing to come out of the campaign's reversal? No. Rather, it was the recognition that the campaign should embrace, rather than turn away, many of those volunteers who have worked so diligently to bring new voters into the Obama tent and who are proud of where Senator Obama stands today, on the verge of becoming the Democratic nominee. See you on Sunday.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathaniel-bach/big-tent-re-opens-obama-c_b_96181.html


Why do I love the Obama campaign, let me count the ways. :)
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:55 PM
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56. Pennsylvania isn't South Carolina
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:24 AM
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2. So. bribery is ok as long as it's a tradition. Got it.
"Street money?" has this country ever not been run by criminals?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:23 PM
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49. it is not bribery, a politician should support the person that helps their constituency
that is their job.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:38 PM
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50. Kinda 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours'?
If people are doing the work to get paid, they can submit a 1099 form. I'm sympathetic to the Philly workers since I don't have much money myself and every buck helps, but on the other hand it's a volunteer campaign, not a vote-buying one.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:58 PM
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53. With CASH??? Amazing. And I'm from Philly - wowsa. -eom
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:24 AM
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3. It's ok. Clinton doesn't HAVE any street money to give out. She's giving it all to Penn.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:32 AM
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4. I'm sure they will manage to find some.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:35 AM
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7. Wow, thanks for interjecting negativism about Hillary into an Obama thread
But that's to be expected from you. This is the theme of the Obama Camp and his supporters follow suit. The reality is, people expect street money because it's the rich giving to the poor. Knowing Obama raised 250,000,000 where as Clinton raised 150,000,000 they know Obama has the money to pass out. What the reality about it is, the money goes to people that are poverty strickened. I remember Joe Lieberman gave out about %400,000 in his Senatorial run in 06. So in a way, street money is good because it's suppose to go to help the poor.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:45 AM
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15. Uh, Maybe You Should READ The OP...
That's where it's pointed out the Clinton camp is willing to pay. The fact is, the Obama campaign has grassroots volunteers working to GOTV and doesn't need to pay to have it done, unlike your girl.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:53 AM
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16. self-del
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 07:55 AM by beezlebum
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:56 AM
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17. I think this attitude comes from Obama's time working as a community organizer in
Chicago. He would go to local officials with a way to help their constituents and the response was - what do I get out of it? How will it benefit me personally? I wont help get it done unless I personally get something out of it - that system is a big part of the problem re why things aren't done which actually help the people who need it instead of just helping the power brokers retain their power.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:05 AM
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20. LOL! Kettle screaming at Pot: how dare I post a negative Clinton comment in an Obama thread!
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 08:06 AM by berni_mccoy
:rofl: And then the kettle goes on to post more negative b.s.!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:36 AM
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8. The Clintons have plenty of money
They just don't pay their bills is all...
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:36 AM
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9. I heard that collection agencies are calling her...
...at 3AM of all things! (Sorry Jay Leno...it was just way too worth stealing)
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:35 AM
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6. Good for him
Early on I didn't see a lot of difference between them in policy, it's more in things like this and the way he dealt with the Wright controversy that the differences show and what I see there makes me more comfortable supporting him all the time.

Much of what I want in terms of policy neither candidate offers but if we can change the tone to a more adult conversation rather than soundbites and to what's right rather than what's customary maybe we'll have room for my agenda later. Getting the level of conversation raised to issues rather than soundbites would be a damned good start.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:37 AM
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10. * Snort * - You're talking Philly? You're talking Ed Rendell?
And you're gonna post about Barack Obama and street money? You kill me!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:08 AM
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34. Details?
Tell me more.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:18 PM
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59. Details...
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:39 AM
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11. Self deleted
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 07:40 AM by Skwmom
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:43 AM
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13. I don't really know how illegal it is considering
it is suppose to go to the "poverty strickened" people. They give money to designated groups which in turn either give it or spend it on the needy. It's not like the candidates are walking down the street passing out money to people standing on the street.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:40 AM
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29. It's fucking corrupt.
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 08:40 AM by crispini
And it means buying votes and buying elections. I've seen it first hand.
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:44 AM
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14. Ethics of paying for support aside
it has lead to some problems in the past, some of the supposed "voter fraud" we've had to deal with came from people paid to register voters who got lazy and cheated, they broke the law as individuals but it ended up being used to smear the organization that hired them.

I can see why campaigns have used paid help in the past and in theory there's nothing wrong with it, but it does offer some reason for those who don't really believe in your cause to work for you as well and it can and has lead to problems in the past,

Bringing the ethics back into it for a moment, I don't think money belongs in politics. It should be about what's good for us, not what's good for me or you. If we can't do it with volunteers maybe we should work a bit more on convincing people we've got a cause worth supporting and that damned revolving door the politicians love so much needs shut hard too.
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:02 AM
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18. He's been consistent in the way he campaigns
I'd have expected him to do no differently, which is why I like him.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:17 AM
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35. yup--walking the talk. Amazing in a front-runner.
But so welcome to see. I remember Kucinich's "no strings on me" speech. And now we actually have a front-running candidate who is actually doing it without strings.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:03 AM
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19. Philly politics has a long history of corruption.
Every mayor that we've had since Richardson Dilworth (which were all dems by the way) were corrupt as all hell. Shit, our last mayor used 6 hours of city time to wait in line for an I-Phone. Our house reps are corrupt, our state senator is corrupt... I'm not suprised the ward leaders are traditionally corrupt. FWIW, twice I've had Obama people knock on my door, no Hillaries.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:37 AM
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25. oh no ...it`s only chicago that is corrupt
i`ve read this everyday in this forum
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:55 PM
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57. Yeah and too bad Obama tried to continue that by endorsing Fattah and not the reformer Nutter
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:20 AM
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21. I'm a Philly volunteer for Obama.
And if somebody here shoved a $20 bill in my hand for my trouble, I'd be insulted.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:36 AM
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39. Thanks for your work and your integrity!
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:54 PM
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52. They have $50s, too ...
Does that lessen the insult?

Bake
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:24 AM
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22. This is a TRAP that Obama is smart enough NOT to walk into. They're just waiting for him
to shove a $20 into somebody's hand then they'll be screaming that he's buying votes.

Tradition or not.. its not smart and he won't do it. Good for him.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:34 AM
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24. i`ve read here at du that this is "chicago style politics"
but it`s philly....


dam! obama and his "chicago style politics" corrupts cities where ever he goes...:rofl:


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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:37 AM
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26. If you want to do grassroots, you pay on your own dime
I very much doubt that Obama will lose Philly because of a couple of South Philly slimebags looking to pat down Obama for some coin. They're McCain people anyway.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:38 AM
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27. We have it in a certain segment of Dallas
I hate, hate, hate that shit. Fuckin corrupt assholes.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:39 AM
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28. Is Hillary passing out "street" money? Just wondering.
I agree with Obama that it's not a good idea. Looks too close to buying votes no matter how you spin it as gas money.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:40 AM
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30. that is a very good question.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:01 AM
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42. MSNBC Reported This Morning That They Are Or Will. nt
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:40 AM
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31. The street money has always come from the party, not the candidate.
The article is nonsense.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:02 AM
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33. Isn't that for a General Election? This is a Primary.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:23 AM
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37. "Walking around money" in Texas usually refers to $ given to black leaders
Cash. Usually to preachers and other community leaders who are considered essential to delivering votes on election day. It's an old practice that goes way back. If handled formally as campaign expenditures, there would really be nothing wrong with the practice, but it tends to be viewed as bribes or such by outsiders.

It really only covers the costs of food, gasoline, and getting folks to the polls.

I suspect the Pa. practice has been similar.

I understand why Obama does not want to do it, but I don't consider the practice to unsavory, as some do.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:10 AM
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45. it can turn an election
and therefore I consider it corrupt.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:44 PM
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51. I have no problem with things like reimbursing gas or paying for lunch
After all you don't want your volunteers to be out of pocket while they're campaigning for you. But there's a difference between 'keep your receipts so we can cover your expenses' and handout money that is unaccounted for and is sometimes used (historically) to bribe people into voting. The GOP accuses the Democrats of that every election cycle, so any negative coverage for Obama is probably offset by the positive message it sends to swing voters that he's not engaging in what people traditionally think of as vote buying (correctly or not).
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:03 PM
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54. Same here, feed the people while they are working for you, give them rides, etc. NO CASH -eom
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:59 AM
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41. There was an article shortly before South Carolina
about Obama's refusal to court the old SC political machine.

Basically, he built his own organization from the ground up while Clinton relied on old ties to the established political organizations.

I wish I could find it, but basically, it was about the huge gamble Obama was taking in bypassing the elder statesmen of SC and, if it paid off, would rewrite the SC political rule book.

It will be facinating to see what PA does.

KB
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:11 AM
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43. Check comments 38 and 40 near the top of the thread. It has a link and some
paragraphs from the article you are referencing (I think).
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:13 AM
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46. Yes - thanks!!
When people what to know what kind of change Obama will bring - this is exactly the sort of thing I reference.

Instead of relying on the political machine, he reaches out and involves new voters and volunteers.

Instead of using race and difference as a wedge, he actually educates and explains.

Instead of pandering to splinter groups, he presents his positions and invites people to join him.

For someone who has been accused of being all talk, I think it's his actions that are the best indicator of the potentially radical shift that Obama may represent.

The man walks the walk!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:00 AM
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44. .
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:14 AM
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47. Just another reason I why I so respect Obama and his campaign. That other story about returning the
lobbyists money was awesome.
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:20 PM
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48. Going against the machine in Hawaii earned Obama a 73% win.
Good luck brah! Hope Philly can overcome this obstacle.
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Ilithiad Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:36 PM
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55. Of course he will
He will lose support for this...ethical process or not is irrelevant. He will lose support.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:57 PM
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58. Good for Obama to stand on principle (yes I mean it)
:thumbsup:
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