WalMart board member = Friend of the working class. Community organizer = Elitist.

You can bet she'll "keep on fightin'" for the working class. Helping the poor on the South Side of Chicago? Please. Waste of time.

By serving on WalMart's board Hillary helped ensure that all of us benefitted by being able to buy stuff for lower prices. If some working class folks got steamrolled by a "shift jobs overseas," "eradicate unionization," "race to the bottom" mentality, well, it was all for the good of the country. Hey, Hillary and Bill are doing pretty damn well, right? Doesn't that make the rest of us feel better?


Clinton Remained Silent As Wal-Mart Fought Unions
Tapes Reviewed by ABC News Show Clinton As a Loyal Company Woman
In six years as a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors, between 1986 and 1992, Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers.
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A former board member told ABCNews.com that he had no recollection of Clinton defending unions during more than 20 board meetings held in private.
The tapes show Clinton in the role of a loyal company woman. "I'm always proud of Wal-Mart and what we do and the way we do it better than anybody else," she said at a June 1990 stockholders meeting.
http://abcnews.go.com/blotter/story?id=4218509&page=1


Hillary and Wal-Mart: A Love Story
So, I had to chuckle when I read that Clinton, having never said a bad word about the company in the past, recently said that Wal-Mart should pay more for its workers' health benefits. And, to boot, she returned the $5,000 she had received from the company. But, when asked what she did about the company's benefits for workers when she served on the board, she replied, "Well, you know, I, that was a long time ago ... have to remember..."
You can't have it both ways. You can't promote an image of being an intelligent woman who has a pile of facts at her fingertips but, at the same time, you suffer a sudden bout of amnesia when asked to answer for your record. And it would be an inconvenient record to defend.
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And the board Hillary Clinton sat on was rabidly anti-union, was exploiting sweatshop labor around the world, discriminating against women workers, forcing workers to labor off the clock and destroying communities that did not want them. This should not be a shock: Clinton was a partner in the Rose law firm, one of the most active anti-union law firms in the country.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-tasini/hillary-and-walmart-a-l_b_15235.html

The problem is how the things became affordable in the first place. Do you think WalMart emphasizes selling American made goods? Of course not, they couldn't sell them for so cheap. They emphasize one thing: price. That's why so many companies shipped their manufacturing over to China and now are moving on to Vietnam. There's nothing wrong with affordable products, but when you emphasize cheapness over everything else the jobs go where the labor's cheapest.

It also explains why WalMart's been such a notorious union-buster. If WalMart had a union, their employees would get living wages. That would drive prices up too.

They charged outrageous prices, they paid their employees minimum wage, and there was no union.
It's all very very complicated of course, this whole China/manufacturing thing that is. In all honesty though, what can you really do about it? Fight it? Think about that seriosuly for a while and ask yourself if that is really the most sensible position for America to take. Very very complicated.

Let all the jobs be shipped to China and India...

Maybe after all our labor laws we fought for in the 20th century are overturned they'll return.

If you can't compete in nature, that's what you do.

Fuck you & your perverted, elitist social darwinism.

fuck you too btw.

..are now working for Walmart. They lost their good paying manifacturing or machine shop jobs. And they no longer agree with you as they have learned the meaning of "Low Wages--Always"

It's that simple. Friend of Walmart HRC hasn't a let to stand on here. War is peace. We have always been friends with Oceana. We're well and truely in an Orwellian nightmare when people on a "progressive" forum defend Walmart.

Walmart profits off union busting (low wages, negligible benefits, profiting off the public till by relying on medicaid and food stamps to keep its employees healthy and well fed enough to get to work. Walmart profits off buying goods manufactured in shops where near slave conditions have been documented - including child labor, workers beaten, etc. If you want to quibble over "near" slave rather than slave, be my guest.

Or is it the label profiteer to which you object? I happen to think it fits. Walmart may sell its goods low, but it makes an excessive profit by selling its jobs very high: all of us pay the price in scarce money for the common good while they profit from our educated workers (paid for by our public school taxes), our excellent roads (paid for by our infrastructure taxes), our underfunded social welfare system and "public" hospitals (paid for by far too few of our taxes), on which their workers must rely, etc., etc., etc. Low wage jobs and burdens on the social welfare system affect the whole community. So I'll continue to call Walmart a profiteer.

Utterly amazing to see what must be dredged up in support of Hillary - kudos to Walmart and social darwinism, support that inherently encompases "Free" trade, support for goods made by child labor, support for union busting. Seems to me it says a lot about where and how HRC got her vaunted "experience" and credentials.

and they don't charge outrageous prices. And it's not because they're having to compete with Walmart. There isn't one within an hour and a half drive. Yes, it's complicated, but thank goodness VT (the last state in the nation to get a Walmart- has been smart about where they allow Walmart to locate.

This area recently had a new Wal-Mart open near us - about 10 miles from me. It is the fourth largest Wal-Mart in the country. I drove over there and discovered that the prices in my little town beat the Wal-Mart prices. No reason to travel that extra 10 miles - prices are better at home! :bounce:

It IS very complicated.

:sarcasm:

Maybe their entire anti-union stance.

Wow.

That's all I got to say.

They are pathetic.

We are paying dearly for their trade practices and anti-union stance. They do not pay living wages, and facilitate China's trade surplus. They have driven jobs overseas. Those cheap things that are bought in Wal-Mart are tainted with US debt, China's human rights abuses and polluting industry.

I can't believe you are defending Mal-Wart.

I hear lots of bitching and moaning about China and Wal Mart and outsourcing but I hear nothing in the way of solutions. Personally, I think ya'll have over politicized this issue like everything else and finding solutions has become secondary to casting aspersions.

And fix unbalanced trade practices. China and our relationship, through trade(including Wal-Mart) is killing our middle class and our infrastructure.

After it was delivered, I happened to look underneath it and, lo and behold, there was a Made in China sticker hidden down there. Right now I'm looking at a bottle of laundry soap that I bought at Wal Mart. It was made in USA. The canned beef and chicken that I just bought at Wal Mart came from my own state of Ohio from the town of Lima (where US tanks are made). The deodorant in front of me that I bought at wal mart came from Proctor and Gamble which is also straight out of Ohio, Cincinatti to be precise. Now I'm looking at the Orville Redenbacker microwave popcorn that I recently bought at Wal mart. It's made in Nebraska. On a hunch, I just looked underneath an end table that I bought recently from a local merchant (for a premium price). Guess where it's made? That's right, it was made in China and I bought it from a local merchant (for a premium price). So, to summarize, your easy answer isn't as easy as it seems.

....by Union busting. You think that is good?

to win.

No value is sacred, no principle secure. Nothing matters but the destruction of opponents. Republicans become allies, labor becomes a problem, Corporate corruption becomes defensible, illegal wars are rationalized, up becomes down, left becomes right.

it was not the company then that it is now.

In the beginning, Walmart's big selling point was that they sold American made products. I don't think Sam would recognize or approve of what his heirs have done with the company.

And this particular anti-Clinton meme has been poster over and over. Why don't you find something new to complain about?

It also had a fierce anti-union reputation. So of course it made sense for a partner at the Rose Law Firm, which had an esteemed anti-union practice, to sit on its board. And she served WalMart well by being the good corporate soldier.

This anti-Clinton meme is particularly apt at this time, since Hillary's spuriously claiming (again) that she's fightin' for the working class. Meanwhile, she's taking more potshots at the Democratic nominee, helping her friend John McCain in the process.

The Wal-Mart was the model corporate citizen line isn't working!

Love your "big print giveth..." quote!

but I couldn't figure how to attribute it to him which I should have done in all fairness. I must confess I do like such accurate biting wit :)

Twist the words and distort the message. It is embarrassing for Dems, and detrimental to all Americans. Time for you to piss off Hillary.

Before long, the deleterious effects show.
Health declines.
Teeth fall out.
Communities die.

that people think that helpng yourself is elitist (as is the belief that the average person can make real changes in the country); whereas having Hillary (or some other parental figure) say that not you but they can solve all of your problems is working class friendly. What a shame.

Good point!

And then she wonders why she's losing. :crazy:

by white people. Here's a picture of him attacking a poor, defenseless old white man:

The Orwellian double-speak of the hilLIARy crowd is amazing... almost bushco-like in it's requirement that all facts and reality be ignored.

She voted for cluster bombs that killed thousands of women and children.

The same women and children, Hillary claims she's been working to help for 35 years.

Sam Walton called her the best board member Wal-Mart has ever had.

:thumbsup:

;-)