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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:23 AM
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Obama was silly to mock small-town PA for “clinging” to their “religion” during hard times


Obama was silly to mock small-town PA for “clinging” to their “religion” during hard times

While funding raising with the billionaires in SF.
What the heck was he thinking!!
Very poor judgment on his part.

………….

Obama on small-town PA: Clinging religion, guns, xenophobia

Mayhill Fowler has more from Obama's remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, and they include an attempt to explain the resentment in small-town Pennsylvania that won't be appreciated by some of the people whose votes Obama's seeking:

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, ………

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
…….
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Obama_on_smalltown_PA_Clinging_religion_guns_xenophobia.html#comments
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:25 AM
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1. I appreciate the sentiment, but it was certainly stated inartfully. n/t
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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:11 PM
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207. Maybe Jerimiah Wright could speak on clinging to religion and being bitter
Obama was in the front pew for 20 years.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:25 AM
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2. telling Dems that until Obama we never did anything - a lie & smear- show's an Obama superego!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:27 AM
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6. He came across as smug-at best.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:34 AM
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that is exactly right.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:21 AM
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139. Why Do I Get the Uncomfortable Feeling...
..that instead of "smug", you'd prefer to use the adjective that reflects how you really feel - "Uppity"?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:28 PM
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189. I would add arrogant, condescending, elitist, snobbish
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 03:29 PM by barb162
and I could keep going. Putting down average Americans when he supposedly is camapigning for the Democratic Party, the party of average Americans, is not a really smart move on his part.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:40 AM
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215. Re: I would add arrogant, condescending, elitist, snobbish
He wasn't "putting down" average Americans, as you well know. Trolls like you and Rodeodunce may have fooled some, but your personal, racist attacks on Obama (coupled with your grade-school language skills) would be more at home on a KKK blog. Begone with you!!
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:22 AM
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141. Feel free to use the dictionary more often
"Superego" is one's conscience, or what controls the one's impulses.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:26 AM
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3. What he said was truth.
Check out the book, "What's the Matter With Kansas?" It is all about middle America voting against their better interest, how wedge issues have worked in the past.

The fact that he said this in SF about PA shows he is trying to explain to the most progressive neighborhood how Dems get beat in rural America. And, how he is going to get past that.

He then went to Indiana and laid in out perfectly.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:30 AM
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8. I am from rural America and Obama is right.
It is all about guns and god around here. Uggh..
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:29 AM
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91. Same here, Obama isn't stuck in the Washington mentality on this one
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:32 AM
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10. The video to his complete remarks is one of his finest responses


It always fascinates me that the more they try to put him down,he knows how to tell the real TRUTH to the American people.

I always thought that JFK was the greatest American campaigner in my life time.

Barack Obama reminds me of JFK but he has more ability to relate to the poor/middle class because Kennedy was so wealthy.


I've watched the video 3 times and it gets better and better.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:33 AM
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14. I saw a fire in his belly. And I liked it.
He is stronger when he lets some of that fire out. I hope to see more of that kind of passion in the General.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:44 AM
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24. I'm beginning to believe that the Primaries should have gone on this long
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 08:46 AM by goclark
It has allowed him to get that fire in the belly experience.
Edit to add: And it has allowed the BFF ( McCain and Hillary Clinton) to show their real colors.

Now he will know exactly what to say to get them to put their foot in their mouths so he can score the knock out punch.

He raises politics to an Intellectual Discussion, which it should be, instead of slamming and bashing.

He is magnificent.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:23 AM
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82. Now that you saw the fire-Care to discuss the faith issue of the OP??
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:11 AM
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62. It appears the Clinton and McSame people are used to lying to the American people
What Obama said was SPOT ON.

Anyone who disagrees is either a toadie or they are being intellectually dishonest.

Go to any small town that has been Walmarted or NAFTA-tized (or both) and you have many people willing to play right into the hateful, homophobic playbook because they've believed the lies from the likes of the Clintons that "everything will be OK" or that jobs will somehow come back.

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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:27 AM
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4. so who are YOU voting for Rodeo
if Obama is the nominee?
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #4
16. when Obama is the nominee, not if
:)
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:37 AM
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19. I wasn't asking you ecdab
you like most of us here are a true democrat that will vote for whoever our "OUR" nominee is-REGARDLESS of which one it is. The OP? she's voting for McCain if it's NOT her girl
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:02 AM
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:27 AM
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5. What's your favorite outdoor sport?
I like football, and then baseball.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:28 AM
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7. Is this a lie or true?? Some people can't handle the truth. And some
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 08:28 AM by Bensthename
are just oppertunist to jump on anything just to get votes.
I'm voting for the one that tells the truth and is not afraid to.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:31 AM
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9. Wow, rodeo, I've been a member here just 7 months less than you
and you already are approaching 100,000 posts compared to my approaching 10,000. And, I thought I spent too much time on the board. Do you not have anything else to do?

Obama is going to sprint to the nomination with his rebuttal of Clinton and attitudes like the one expressed in your OP.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:33 AM
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12. 100,000 posts of pure garbage! nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #12
29. Why personally attack me. ? Aren't you intelligent enough to discuss the issues?
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:59 AM
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43. They always have to deflect. If they are losing the argument
they resort to personal attacks. It's their MO.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #43
193. True. How true that is.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #29
179. Aren't you? Your posts are nothing but personal attacks on Obama or his followers. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:35 AM
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:43 PM
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218. A very nasty remark
.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:28 PM
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #12
184. You don't get out much.
You obviously haven't read any threads where rodeo literally transcribes on the fly for people who don't have access to C-span.

Unfortunate response.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:33 PM
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191. Sorry you don't see lots of pure poetry there.
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 03:34 PM by barb162
When you have nothing else to write, you attack the poster?
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #9
25. Why the personal attack? Must not have anything else to go on.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #25
85. Just an observation. Take the number of days
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 09:30 AM by rateyes
rodeo has been a member and divide that into the number of posts and it equals approximately 77 posts a DAY. That's a helluva lot of time on the internet---especially if rodeo ever takes any days off from posting.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:29 AM
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92. It was a condesending personal attack on me.


ow, rodeo, I've been a member here just 7 months less than you

and you already are approaching 100,000 posts compared to my approaching 10,000. And, I thought I spent too much time on the board. Do you not have anything else to do?

Obama is going to sprint to the nomination with his rebuttal of Clinton and attitudes like the one expressed in your OP.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #92
107. Maybe it was. I guess I just got into the swing of things
with all the personal attacks being made on the candidates and others. And, I'm still overwhelmed by the number of posts you have. It takes some real time to do that.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #107
115. Thats my business, not yours. Still distracting i see.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #115
138. It's raining here, how about where you live?
I'll have to leave you here for the day, I've got a lot of other things I need to do with my time.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #107
194. Maybe you should take a look at some high post count Obama
supporters and have an esoteric discussion with them on how many posts they do a day. Gee, that sounds really d-e-e-p and observant and productive, huh?
NOT!
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #85
106. She believes, and she is dedicated. Does more than this for her candidate. Bet not many here do.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #85
187. I've come to respect your posting...
but your wrong on this, do a little more research and you'll get why.

I don't agree with the premise or current tactics of the OP, nor the adjectives employed.

That being said... RD's a valuable asset to DU.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #9
190. Obama isn't sprinting anywhere that I've noticed. Watch HRC win this.
And what's your problem with post count? You have nothing better to do than look up post counts?
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:32 AM
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11. Keep posting
this garbage rodeodance. You are willing to post anything that you thinks helps Hillary. I'm sure you were one of the ones posting endless Rezko and Wright threads. So please continue on. Hillary's negatives and poll numbers will continue to drop. She shouldn't have joined forces with McCain on this one. It is going to come back and bite her BIG TIME!
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #11
17. Rodeo
is voting for McCain anyway if Obama is the nominee my3boyz-consider the source and ignore it
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #11
20. I have posted many positive threads about Hillary--they get dumped on
by Obama fans.

no discussion of issues--just crap.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #20
30. poor poor rodeo
so who you voting for if Obama is the nominee?
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. Buzz off.
Go poop elsewhere.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #33
39. I think Maribelle
is a beautiful name and I'm going to suggest it to my daughter as a new baby name
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #30
40. I'm glad Rodeo didn't answer. She deserves respect for standing up to the bullies and supporting
her primary candidate day after day. Obama isn't the nominee despite the ongoing attempts of his surrogates to crown him.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #40
45. Thank you---it reminds of HS bullies--
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #45
55. It sure is. And you take up the fight. You're tough and loyal. You can take the heat.
I can't imagine a one of them standing up to the gang like you do without losing their cool. As a fellow Hillary supporter who also loves her and believes in her I am proud of you! We know she is not what they make her out to be. It takes a lot to go out and fight those who say the crap head on though. Thanks for all you do Rodeo!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #45
90. This forum reminds me a lot of Heathers lately. n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #45
111. jr. high school
cafeteria
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #40
66. Very true!
Rodeo does an outstanding job of supporting her candidate.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #66
132. yea she does but she won't fucking support
the democratic nominee if it isn't Hillary and that makes her a possible future McCain supporter and a growing ever-shorter short time DU member
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #30
131. somehow I have the feeling it wouldn't vote for HRC either, if she were the nominee
most of these Hillary "supporters" are simply dittoheads who want to sow dissent among Democrats and disrupt the democratic process. They will vote for the warmongering, global plundering repukes anyway and are just afraid of the consequences of Obama running against their real pick. They know HRC is a loser and will hand the WH to McWar on a silver platter.

either way, HRC or McCain, they lack the common sense to pick a winner.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #131
135. oh yea?
then you have no idea who you're fucking talking to then. I will support and work my ass off for WHICHEVER candidate is OUR nominee. You see the difference? There are some here who actually ARE true democrats. a LOT of us in fact.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #135
136. I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 10:20 AM by ima_sinnic
the ones who have been starting these ridiculous nit-picky "gotcha" threads about Obama. The same names, over and over. Begins with an r, ends with an e --get it??
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #136
140. (using Rosanna Rosanadanna voice)
nevermind-sorry ima_sinnic-I was in here slugging away and didn't mean to hit you with friendly fire
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #140
142. i posted mine to the wrong post--sorry, I meant to put it under yours slightly above
:hug:
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #135
152. And THAT is what I like about you, SoFlaJet.
I have doubtless made enemies here at DU by responding to what I perceive to be an unending stream of negativity and outright bullshit directed at both Democratic candidates, but, like you, I will actively support, work for, and donate financially to WHO-FUCKING-EVER is the Democratic National Party's nominee to be the next President of the United States.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #152
161. there's too much at stake Bravo
we can't let them get us to vote against our own best interests-we would be no better than the stupid Bush republicans we all laughed about for years here on the board that would call in to Washington Journal, spewing talking points-we KNOW better. We ARE better.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #131
217. "it"?
You have no place on DU.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #30
219. I thought you believed Obama was way ahead and
unbeatable.

If that's the case - why the need to be so nasty and mean spirited?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #20
195. Yes you have and I notice the way the hounds come barking
Just crap attacks as you say.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #11
28. Obama and his surrogates parse everything Hillary says. It is coming back to bite him.
Obama's been doing it since day one. Apparently the shoe don't feel so good on the other foot.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #28
36. Bingo!
And the DUbamas cry "not fair!"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #28
41. They are hypocrites--they can't take the heat --so they do personal attacks and name-calling
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #41
44. You keep doing what you do! Your passion and dedication is commendable!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #44
49. as you do. We do not bow to bully attacks, nor are we sheepie
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #11
93. This does not help Hillary.
Nothing does, at this point. Its over.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #93
188. Well, that sure didn't help Hillary either....sigh n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #93
220. I prefer optimism to BHO's despair
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:33 AM
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13. They said it so well, I'll just repeat it...
BLITZER: All right.

Gloria, he's already being hammered by Hillary Clinton and John McCain, for that matter, for supposedly being an elitist and speaking ill of the people of Pennsylvania by suggesting that the economic problems there are causing them to become bitter and buying guns and becoming xenophobic and all of that.

What do you think? Is this a real issue out there?

BORGER: Well, Hillary Clinton said today, you know, I don't see bitter people out there, I see struggling people or whatever it is. But she said that people aren't bitter.

I think the people are angry. And maybe -- and maybe Obama's terminology was inartful, but I think he's expressing a sentiment of mad as hell voters not going to take it anymore that we've seen throughout this election. And that's why, perhaps, voters are saying over and over again that they want a change.

CAFFERTY: Yes.

BORGER: So I think Hillary Clinton is trying to make him into the elite candidate but he's talking about people being angry.

BLITZER: All right, and Hillary Clinton responded to the Obama comments this way, Jeff.

Let me play her little sound bite.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

H. CLINTON: It's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that's not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves.

(APPLAUSE)

H. CLINTON: They're working hard every day for a better future for themselves and their children. Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: All right.

Jeff, what do you think?

TOOBIN: I think that is so ridiculous.

CAFFERTY: I agree.

TOOBIN: I mean that is not at all what Barack Obama said.

BORGER: Right.

TOOBIN: I mean I just think this is an example of how a campaign between the two of them can be purely destructive and not elevate either candidate. I mean Hillary Clinton is clearly distorting what Obama said.

And, by the way, what Obama said is factually accurate.

CAFFERTY: Right.

TOOBIN: It's been true throughout history that people who have economic problems lash out against various others. I just think it is embarrassing for the Clinton campaign just to hang on to this as if it's some sort of gaffe by Obama.

BLITZER: It's not just the Clinton campaign, Jack. It's also the McCain campaign.

They issued a statement saying, "It's a remarkable statement and extremely revealing. It shows an elitism and condescension toward hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking. It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans."

(LAUGHTER)

CAFFERTY: Oh, really?

And this is from John McCain? Amazing.

BORGER: Yes.

BLITZER: No this is from Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser for John McCain.

CAFFERTY: Look, Jeff's right. They call it the rust belt for a reason. The great jobs and the economic prosperity left that part of the country two or three decades ago. The people are frustrated. The people have no economic opportunity.

What happens to folks like that in the Middle East, you ask? Well, take a look. They go to places like al Qaeda training camps. I mean there's nothing new here.

And what Barack Obama was suggesting is not that the people of Pennsylvania are to blame for any of it. It's that the jerks in Washington, D.C. , as represented by the 10 years of the Bushes and the Clintons and the McCains, who have lied to and misled these people for all of this time while they shipped the jobs overseas and signed phony trade deals like NAFTA, are to blame for the deteriorating economic conditions among America's middle class.

I mean I'm a college dropout and I can read the damn thing and figure it out.

BORGER: You know, in this case, the Hillary Clinton campaign and the John McCain campaign have the same goal -- and that is to portray Obama as this sort of effete elitist who doesn't understand the real working class people or Independent voters. And so they're both on the same side on this one and it's obvious why.

BLITZER: You know --

TOOBIN: I think --

BLITZER: Go ahead, Jeff. Do you want to make a little point?

TOOBIN: Well, I just think it's remarkable that Barack Obama, this guy who grew up in a single family household with no money, who lived in Indonesia, who, you know, was -- came from very modest upbringings, somehow he's the elitist?

That's really a pretty extraordinary sort of contortion of his background. I mean --


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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #13
21. I'm sorry I missed that
Thanks for posting the transcript. At least some people get it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #13
26. "Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them."
H. CLINTON: It's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that's not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves.

(APPLAUSE)

H. CLINTON: They're working hard every day for a better future for themselves and their children. Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #13
27. lol - - In my opinion Hillary could have said a lot worse regarding Obama's words following bitter
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 08:51 AM by Maribelle
I wonder if the biased folks at CNN are aware of this? What Hillary said was so mild in comparison to what the right wing hate machine is blabbering on and on about - - regarding the entire context of what Obama said when stabbing middle America in the heart. Sheesh folks. These attempts to cover up the real Obama and his Chicago Ways are getting quite comical indeed.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #13
96. I love the way they make up Clinton's argument for her
but, she never said a word about Obama being an elitist. Funny that.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:35 AM
Response to Original message
15. Other that rightwing nuts, who says he "mocked"??????
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:36 AM
Response to Original message
18. The funny thing
Obama makes a statement you all know is true and you jump all over him

Hillary tells a lie and you jump to her defencse.

When your enemies are encouraging you to say or do something. What your doing 9 times out of 10 isn't right.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:39 AM
Response to Original message
22. You do understand that trying to help others understand
something is not mocking a group, that mentioning what some do is not mocking it is just, well mentioning.

Does it tire you out to carry around this much hate?

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #22
23. Obama sent a message of despair--Hillary sent one of hope.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #23
34. Observation of behavior can often lead to despair.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #23
35. LOL
Hillary the Hopemonger....that's new
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #23
37. No
Obama spoke about harsh and painful realities that need to be confronted, Hillary spoke the empty words of a traditional politician.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #23
42. Yeah sure
I'm sure you got all excited with this mockery of hope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbIN3GLynXk&feature=related

I bet you that she wishes she had a magic wand that would make Bill's special interests disappear.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #42
48. you did not get the memo--Bill is not the Dem. candidate this time. Update yourself.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #48
58. You didn't get the memo. Bill is representing Hillary in this campaign
Bill's millions are Hillary's millions, his money, her money.

Hillary clings to Bill, all that is Bill is Hillary, that is where she got her "experience" to be the president, from her marriage to Bill.

You can't accept her premise that she is experienced because of her time as first lady and accept her qualifications without accepting that all that is Bill is Hillary. She has made that choice, she is the one that allows him to lie on her behalf.

You need to go back to the fan club and get some better talking points as your's fail miserably.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #58
70. I do not respond to sexist comments:


.....You can't accept her premise that she is experienced because of her time as first lady and accept her qualifications without accepting that all that is Bill is Hillary. She has made that choice, she is the one that allows him to lie on her behalf.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #70
80. That is not a sexist statement - that is the truth.
And that is why I have such issues with you and others who tout her as the feminist candidate setting such a tremendous example for women. She isn't doing this on her own, she has made Bill a central figure, she has let him speak for her and lie in support of her lies.

Her qualifications don't come from her experiences without Bill, she didn't get where she is as Hillary Rodham. And she is the one that claims her qualifications from her life as the first lady, alleging she was crucial in the Irish peace talks (though those involved don't remember her involvement), there are other claims made while in the White House, problem is, she didn't have any national security clearance and she was not elected to serve or even appointed to serve, she was simply the first lady.

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #48
69. Diverting attention from Obama's failures by brining up Bill's past sex life
are not only lame, they're GOP campaign tactics.

Why should any Dem support a candidate who admires and copies the GOP's smear tactics against Dems?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #23
65. Obama sent a message of mockery
his comments weren't just about the economic problems facing small communities, it was a broad-brush attempt to paint everyone in these communites in a negative way. He inferred they were ignorant, destructive people. Insulting people doesn't mean you want to help them.

Obama's words conveyed the feeling that these people deserve to be living in economically depressed areas, almost as though he's blaming them for their own situation.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #23
155. Steady now. I think I laughed out my spleen.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #22
32. He was not 'trying to help others understand'. He was trying to
pad his campaign coffers.



That's the Chicago Way.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #32
47. He was trying to explain what is happening in this country
Tell me, why did Hillary accept the endorsement of Richard Melton Sciafe? Was it because she believes he is a good guy and has done no harm to her and her husband or was she trying to pad her campaign coffers?

And speaking of campaign coffers, has she paid her bills yet?

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #47
56. More Rovian style deflections. Stay focused on the OP.


......Tell me, why did Hillary accept the endorsement of Richard Melton Sciafe? Was it because she believes he is a good guy and has done no harm to her and her husband or was she trying to pad her campaign coffers?

And speaking of campaign coffers, has she paid her bills yet?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #56
64. Not at all.
And please remember, Rove likes Hillary, has basically endorsed her and likes the way she campaigns. Seems kinda silly that you use the term "Rovian style deflections" while ignoring the fact that all that is Hillary's campaign is "Rovian" -- she has tried to harm Obama by calling him a liberal and now she calls him an elitist. Go back and check the 2004 campaign and you will see that is what Rove and his bunch did to Kerry.

And please address the video - how can she be the candidate of "hope" when she mocks hope?

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #64
74. Do you any comments about why people shouldn't rely on their faith during hard times??
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #74
84. Obama never said people shouldn't rely on their faith.
He simply said they were, you need to stop distorting the truth and stick to the facts.

It is your candidate that mocks hope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbIN3GLynXk&feature=related

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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #22
38. Why is it hate when Hillary supporters point out Obama's failures? He is not above reproach like
many seem to think here.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #38
50. There was no failure, that's the thing.
Twisting and trying to negatively distort what was said is an act of desperation.

The hate is obvious from the Hillary supporters here. They forget what their candidate has said about hope, how she has mocked it and the optimism of Obama's campaign. They call Obama supporters cultist and accuse them of drinking the kool aide, they mock them for believing in the hope and change he represents.

This is what she has said about hope, she can't take it back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbIN3GLynXk&feature=related

Her campaign is a negative campaign and negative campaigns do not offer hope.

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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #50
61. You seem to ignore the twisting, distorting, and negative from Obama.
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 09:11 AM by kikiek
Anyone who really things they haven't lit the fire under all the crap that has been thrown at Hillary is living in fantasy land. Obama is running a dirty campaign that would rival any other. His supporters choose to not notice which is what they are counting on. Hope indeed.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #61
67. Obama fans learned the WORT game (What Obama Really Meant)
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #61
72. Tell me of the negative ploys of Obama?
Let's discuss them - what is it you see he has said that you believe I haven't noticed?

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #72
77. Go start your own thread. Respect mine please--
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #77
83. Nope, I am participating in this discussion on point.
Tell me, how is it that Hillary can offer hope when she mocks the hopes that Obama helps his supporters know?

You have yet to respond to the facts, you simply are posting spin.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #83
86. This issue is on Obama's comment about people clinging to their faith. Now discuss please.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #86
99. People do cling to their faith during hard times.
That is what he said, that is what they do.

What discussion is necessary?

And you posted your candidate was the one that gives hope, please explain how she can give hope while dashing hope, while she and her supporters mock and belittle the hope and optimism of Obama's campaign?

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #99
104. Why did Obama deem it necessary play his Wort game last night?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #104
124. WTF are you talking about?
And please address my question. I responded to your question now you respond to mine. Stop with the deflection and the childish comments and discuss the issues logically and rationally, if you can.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #124
221. stop the childish name-calling and I willl respond. not before
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #221
222. I haven't called you a name.
It is you that uses the petty name calling and sad attempts at belittling those that don't agree with you.

As usual, you cannot respond to the questions, you cannot support your position with anything credible or factual, so you just attack and play sad little games.
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #86
201. Give our hall monitor a sash and a badge! Ooooooh! n/t
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #72
89. He started it back in IA and hasn't stopped. He wants this as bad as Hillary. Do you really believe
he isn't fighting like it is for his life? That is just naive to me. He knew to attack her on this from the start and keep repeating it. It has worked. Not only has it worked, but he is destroying all the good Hillary has done in her life. That is disgusting to me. And I have to leave but will happily respond later to any sincere rebuttal.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/politics/Obama_defends_his_spin_team.html

Obama defends his spin team



It was my turn to interview Barack Obama today, and ask something that’s been on my mind: He talks about changing the culture in Washington, and running a positive campaign, and while his public statements and ads have taken the high road, his campaign staff has consistently urged reporters to write negative stories about Clinton and sent releases about things like her “legacy of misleading voters.” I asked if that’s consistent with his principles.Obama began nodding his head halfway through my question.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #89
121. I believe Obama is fighting for the people, that he believes he
can make a difference and the he can bring about the change that is so needed.

I believe Hillary feels she is entitled to the office and it is she that is fighting for her life.

That link says what is true, that he had to defend the kitchen sink tactics of Hillary. Tell me when has a democratic candidate for office every endorsed their republican opponent over their democratic opponent? When has that ever happened?

I ask you again to provide me those "negatives" that you feel Obama employed so we can discuss them. If you can't then you should realize you are just making excuses and using talking points.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #121
123. he is NOT getting the working class segment and his comments will not help him.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #123
126. He is getting the working class votes
and that is what scares the shit out of HIllary and you, that is why she used the term "elitist" and has tried to distort his words.

Go look at the numbers, do you think that only snot nosed kids and rich hollywood types have voted for Obama to date?

It is you and Hillary that insult the working class, ignoring the votes they have cast and the the support they do give Obama and his message of hope.

Now again, respond reasonably and rationally if you can to my query.

How can Hillary be the candidate of hope when she mocked hope, demeaned those who are optimistic and support the candidate who is offering hope and change?

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #38
76. They've adopted GOP right wing debate tactics
the only way they can defend the indefensible remarks of their candidate is to attack others.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #22
52. Try this mental exercise
"And it's not surprising they get bitter, they cling to their Cosmopolitan magazine, their Lifetime channel, antipathy to men or feelings of victimization to explain their frustrations."

Hey, I'm just trying to help others understand.

Surely you wouldn't be so filled with hate as to be unable to recognize my benign intent.

It was an extremely condescending thing to say and I didn't even realize that it was part of a speech delivered in San Fransisco. Doh!

... did he at least pose for a picture with Gavin Newsome while he was there?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #52
71. No mental exercises are necessary.
Try dealing with the truth - he spoke to the bitterness of Americans and he tried to explain why so many are angry and bitter.

Your little "mental exercise" is really a sexist statement, you need to try to stick to the issues and not some bizarre distortion that is rather insulting to women. You should be ashamed.

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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #71
100. It was because it is an insulting stereotype. Don't you get it?
Your reaction indicates that you don't see the problem with Obama's stereotype of rural voters simply because it wasn't your ox which was being gored.

Obama has no business "explaining" to audiences in San Fransisco why us humble, simple folk hold such irrational sentiments. He's not equipped with enough relevant experience to speak intelligently on the subject.

Worse, his statements give every impression that he considers those voters malleable. It isn't really necessary to solve their underlying problems, it's only necessary to understand the psychology of how they react to those problems - to manipulate those "sentiments" into something more palatable to his San Fransisco audience.

Damn, I wish John Edwards was still around.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #100
116. And his comments were not the narrowed comments you
presented in your mental exercise. Had he said what you presented then it would be appropriate to call him on them. He did not and you can't put words into the discussion as "what ifs" and consider your position to have any credibility and you cannot use sexist comments to support your position while damning others for their sexism.

Obama has no business "explaining" to audiences in San Fransisco why us humble, simple folk hold such irrational sentiments. He's not equipped with enough relevant experience to speak intelligently on the subject.
Someone has to try to explain, Hillary is doing it. Don't you find it pretty said that Hillary mocks Obama for the hope he offers, that she tries to smear him as *horror* a "liberal" and as an "elitist" and that she doesn't try to help others understand why Americans need that hope and feel that bitterness?

Don't you find it sad that Hillary is status quo and she and her husband are millionaires that have profitted from those that want to continue the trade programs that have caused so many to be bitter and out of work and out of hope?

At least he tries to understand, Hillary seems to be too busy trying to make up for her mistakes in the campaign. Tell me about those little guys that own businesses that Hillary's campaign owes money to, tell me how she has shown her concern.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #116
137. There are plenty of threads about the things Hillary has said. This one is about what BO said.
If I were asked at the local county fair;

Q "So, Jeff, you're a rural guy with rural sensibilities. How are you going to get those strange, inexplicable, big city folks to vote for you? With their piercings and $5 frappa-mocha-chinos, it seems that making them understand the real world, is a pretty tough row to hoe."

A "They've seen the price of organic almond butter go up, they have a hard time finding people to walk their dogs. It's not surprising that they're bitter. They cling to elitism and appear to look down on people who do actual work. They cling to offshoring, H1B visas and anti-labor sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. Really, when you get right down to it, they're not so different than you and I.

I understand them, they'll vote for me because I bring hope to those frustrated and helpless people stuck in their concrete jungles."
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #137
150. WTF has that got to do with what Obama said
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 10:36 AM by merh
It does show your knack for creative writing, rather hyperbolic, but still amusing. It does reflect your bias, the way you look down on folks in San Francisco and view them with such hateful stereotypes you cannot envision them for the real people they are.

But it has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Distortions and deflections that reflect your failings and bias do not equate to the facts at hand.

How sad and yet so expected, your stereotypes used to judge another.



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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #150
160. Goddamn! I'm going to try one last time.
Except to the extent that, between the two of us, I'm the only one in a position to recognize his condescension...

It. Isn't. About. Me.

I don't look down on the people in San Fransisco, but I don't fully understand them either. It would be presumptuous of me to explain to an audience in Omaha or Spokane how San Franciscans think - and particularly in such a tone-deaf way.

Exactly like it's presumptuous of a self-described "Chicago politician" to explain why rural folks "cling" to their "sentiments" to his audience of liberal activists in San Fransisco.

... please don't respond with "what have you got against liberal activists?". There's nothing that frustrates me more than discussion board participants who refuse to discuss an issue without resorting to "you".

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:24 AM
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171. LOL, no one said it was about you.
But my responses are in response to your views relative to the topic at hand. Your views are what you use to judge the comments.

LOL, you keep using talking points that are incorrect

Thus your arguments are distorted.

Exactly like it's presumptuous of a self-described "Chicago politician" to explain why rural folks "cling" to their "sentiments" to his audience of liberal activists in San Fransisco.

Obama is more than just a Chicago politician. You show your ignorance is labeling him that way. And that you label those in San Francisco as "liberal activists" tends to reflect a disdain for liberals which is rather sad.

It is never presumptious to try to explain why Americans need change from the status quo, why our leaders have let us down and why we do what we have to do to survive and keep the faith. To try to distort it as a labeling that is neither accurate or complete in honesty is to try to minimize the message, soemthing clinton supporters like to do.

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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:57 AM
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216. he was talking about single issue voters...


not anybody in middle america who has a gun or goes to church. Remember god,guns,and gays?

Why are you misrepresenting what he said about single issue voters and act as if he was talking about everybody in rural america?






Full transcript:

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...I think they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.


Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:47 AM
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31. True but said clumsily
my guess is it will bite him more than it will build him.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:01 AM
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46. Why are you so bitter?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:05 AM
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51. You just made an ASSumption about me and look FOOLISH. Try not making assumptions.
Why are you so bitter?
Posted by milkyway
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:37 AM
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103. You're bitter AND angry. LOL.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #103
118. Just immature personal attacks in your post And not willing to discuss the OP
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #103
202. Bitter, angry and grammar / spelling challenged. The RW trifecta!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:06 AM
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53. So, I ask again--Why shouldn't people cling to their faith during hard times??
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:07 AM
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54. He thought he had a good audience
He wanted to entertain the west coast billionaires with his insults of all those backwoods poor folks back in the east.

That kind of mentality went out of style in the 60's when it became unfashionable to make gross generalizations and condemnations about people based on race, ethnicity, income level, religion, gender, etc. That he would bring it up now is really shocking and disturbing.

Makes you wonder what he really thinks about most Americans. His wife has already given us several clues. Do they really think anyone outside their community of friends, churches, universities and corporate board rooms are a bunch of ignorant, KKK loving, Archie Bunker type of people?

I sincerely think they do, and if so, it shows how little Obama knows about the country he wants to govern.







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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:10 AM
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60. Yes, I do wonder what he thinks about most Americans after that smack-down in SF
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #54
98. Yes, I was just about to bring this up. Why make these statements to West Coast millionaires?
If he wants to bring this message, why not back to the very people of whom he spoke? Why not get up in front of crowd in rural PA and say the same thing, if it's the true and right thing to say?
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #54
117. It reminds me of the Bush speech
"I call you my base". What an ass.

zalinda
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:08 AM
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57. WRONG!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:11 AM
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63. So, you think people should not rely on their faith during troubled times also?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #63
177. I rely on my faith even during good times but..
it seems as though the smell of D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N is...

getting stronger...
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:09 AM
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59. "anti-immigrant sentiment"
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 09:10 AM by DemGa
Obama quickly came back with his cover-up speech, but left out this particular insult. It's easy to see why -- far too inflammatory. Yes, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard from a politician -- it certainly could spell his ruin.

"So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #59
68. OP is refering to his comment about religion--Do you have a comment about that???
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:22 AM
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79. It was incredibly insulting
Obama as much as cheapened their motivation in religious faith.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #59
73. I hope it does
Its bad enough living under the rule of bigoted Republican leaders. We don't need to elect one of our own.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:19 AM
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75. We'll hear and see that clip from now to November, assuming that
Sen. Obama is on the ballot. That's important, IMO.

Recommended.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:22 AM
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81. no one has discussed his comment about religion on this thread-just snarks.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:21 AM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:32 AM
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95. another smear on Hillary--you take your Talking points from Rove/RW!!



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78. But not as silly as Hillary snuggling in bed with the traitor Grover Norquist
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:27 AM
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87. BTW -- he didn't "mock" them
So your bias comes through right off the top.

He explained the dynamic that was at work in small towns. It may be a tough truth for some people to deal with. But he in no way "mocked" anyone.

Mockery seems to be the tactic preferred by the Clinton camp. I have never seen it from the Obama campaign.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:47 AM
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114. I think he did.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #114
182. But then you think some really strange things when it comes to Obama
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:01 PM
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203. It thinks? n/t
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:27 AM
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88. as an Obama supporter, I agree it was stupid to put it that way
though I understand what he was trying to say. In the end it won't derail him.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:31 AM
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94. I honestly don't understand what the problem is with what he said.
I didn't hear it as mocking. :shrug:
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:32 AM
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97. Obama's honesty is his down fall. He should be more like Clinton
and tell people what they want to hear. Like her remark on this "bitter" comment: people are happy and optimistic every where in PA. Really, so I guess the Bush years have been good to them.
Hillary = say what people want to hear no matter what.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:37 AM
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102. Honest expression of condescension is not a virtue. n/t
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 09:37 AM by lumberjack_jeff
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #102
110. "People are bitter with Wash DC.".. Oh how horrible.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #110
144. I understand why you cling to your ignorance. I understand you urban folks.
You needn't say anything. I bring you hope. Everything's going to be just fine.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:34 AM
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148. Thanks for your understanding..
hmmm.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #97
105. better to be optimistic --than bitter and full of despair.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:40 AM
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153. Hillary didn't say anything about people being "happy". She said that, in her experience,
"As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They're working hard every day for a better future for themselves and their children. Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them."

It's a damned shame Senator Obama doesn't meet such people when he goes around and talks to the frustrated, the angry, and the bitter.

Many people might not be able to find anything in their lives or the world to be "happy" about, Ben; but--thank God!--most people don't sit around in front of computer monitors pissing and moaning and spitting "bitter" thoughts and feelings everywhere in cyberspace.

'nuff from Petrushka for today. Have a nice day, all o' yunz!



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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:36 AM
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101. I agree
I think he made a very broad brush statement about people. Sure, there are a few people who do act like that, but Obama phrased it wrong. There are plenty of good people in small towns who suffer hardship and don't turn into what Obama described.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:41 AM
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108. mock? someone really ought to buy you a dictionary- it might cut down on your ignorance.
:hi:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #108
125. more personal insults. Care to discuss the issue in the OP??
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:42 AM
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109. Maybe you prefer someone who dumbs down their argument or looks you in the eye and lies...
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:45 AM
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112. The Audience Didn't Seem to Feel "Mocked"
The live audience looks to me to represent a pretty good cross-section of "regular folk". Their spontaneous standing ovation, begun even before Obama finished speaking, certainly appears to invalidate your criticism. If by "poor judgment" you mean he should have checked the polls and conferred with his advisers before speaking, then I would suggest that the meaningless platitudes spewed from the mouths of most politicians have left you unable to recognize truth when it is spoken. To me, Obama displayed a "Kucinich Moment". A few more like this one and he just might convince me he's Da Man.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:54 AM
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120. OP is referring to his comments to funders in SF--can't you read? stay focused please
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #120
129. Point Remains....
You're the only one who seems to feel mocked and insulted here. The "small-town" Pennsylvanians obviously don't. Why do you insist on trying to create a controversy where none exists?
Focused enough for ya?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #129
147. still being rude and deflecting from the OP. And it is BHO fans doing the insults.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #147
151. The OP is rude and deflecting from the truth.
Obama mocked no one.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:45 AM
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113. Read my sig line.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:52 AM
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119. "and it's not surprising" == understanding, not mockery
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 09:54 AM by unblock
YOU are mocking his understanding and sympathy.

he didn't "mock" anyone. he was explaining their situation and sympathizing and saying he would do something about it.



very poor analysis on your part. <<<=== see how i used something you said an altered it slightly as a rhetorical device? THAT's mockery :evilgrin:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #119
122. thats you opinion. I know mockery when i see/hear it.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:12 AM
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130. no that's condescension, not mockery :)
it's also poor grammar on your part. <<== again, more mockery :evilgrin:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:16 AM
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133. Apparently you don't.
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chill factor Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:29 AM
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145. People are tired, yes, bitter, angry, frustrated......
Some people cannot bear to hear the truth when it slaps them in the face. They prefer to let same old, same old politics lie in the recesses of their minds and are afraid to walk in the sunshine and breath fresh air. Many people are tired of hearing the "Good Morning America" speeches from Hillary and McSame. It is not surprising, thank goodness, that many voters no longer fall for lies and deception - truth is paramount. We have been screaming for the last 7 years about the lies Bush has been spewing. Yet, some people fall into that same trap now because truth is so difficult for them to accept. Me, I prefer the sunshine and fresh air!!:loveya:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #122
156. since you manufacture quite a bit of the mockery around here, I see
that you're irony impaired.

:)
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:02 AM
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127. It is silly to say that Obama was mocking anyone.
Spin away.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:16 AM
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134. well, its a good thing your 100 million dollar candidate
who spends 10 million on the loser Mark Penn, is not an elitist.

:sarcasm:

you guys live in bizarro world.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:32 AM
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146. Interesting BHO dissed small-town PA while on a fund raiser on Billionaire Lane in SF!!
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #146
149. Awww..
Wassamatter, Rodeo? Was he too uppity?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #146
154. completely avoided the question, as per usual.
why is your candidate worth 100 million in monies from Colombia, Dubai and other FOREIGN interests?
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:49 AM
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157. Attempting to deflect this thread, changing the subject to Hillary is not working.
Please stick to the subject of the thread, and of course feel free to start your own thread if you wish to bash Hillary.

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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:52 AM
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158. STOP INTERRUPTING OUR OBAMA BASHING WITH CLINTON BASHING!!IM SERIES!!11!!!
you guys are laughably pathetic.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:00 AM
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164. LOL!!!
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #158
166. Personal attacks because you can't succeed in changing the subject of the thread?
Tisk tisk, hero.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #166
168. Which is?
That Obama was "silly"? OK, let's address that once and for all: He wasn't.
Or, maybe the subject was that Obama "mocked". He didn't.
Obama was "smug". Nope.
Rodeodance's rant was a baseless, ignorant personal attack on Obama? Well, yes. Obviously....
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:29 AM
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173. Sorry - - I guess you must be confused regarding the definition of a 'personal attack'

There is some consensus as to what reflects a 'personal attack'. Disagreeing with and attempting to find reasons for the actions of a public figure, even while it could be done in a manner that some would consider 'bashing', is not a 'personal attack'. Insulting or disparaging a private member of DU is a 'personal attack' regardless of the manner in which it is done.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #157
162. No Deflection...
It's clear to me, and to anyone who's read the original post and follow-up comments, that the OP has been shamelessly bashing Obama from the start.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #162
167. Deflection ...
this thread is to discuss where Obama mocked small-town PA for “clinging” to their “religion” during hard times.

Stop trying to change the subject of this thread, but please do feel free to start your own thread to bash Hillary.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:17 AM
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169. See #168
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:30 AM
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174. See #173
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #174
176. No, I'm Not Confused
If someone called me "silly" or "smug"; Or accused me of saying something "stupid"; Or accused me of "mocking" other people; I would, quite rightly, take it as a personal attack.
For that matter, I also take personally your condescending inference that I am somehow "confused".

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:25 AM
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143. K & R.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:52 AM
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159. Excellent TRUTH telling on his part. That's why Hillary and her Republican friend can't understand.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:59 AM
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163. Errr.... I am a rural red-stater
and what he said was the simple truth.
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:01 AM
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165. "Antipathy to others who are not like them...
or anti-immigrant sentiment" sounds to me as if he is using the "racist " card.

(and yes, I will be voting Democrat in the GE.)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:21 AM
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170. ''Our faith.....It is a fundamental expression of who we are and what we believe.''
Hillary's words answer the OP--




''I was raised with Midwestern values and an unshakable faith in America and its policies,'' she said. ''Now, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it's a matter of constitutional right. Americans who believe in God believe it's a matter of personal faith.

''I grew up in a church-going family, a family that believed in the importance of living out and expressing our faith. The people of faith I know don't 'cling' to religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich.

''Our faith is the faith of our parents and our grandparents. It is a fundamental expression of who we are and what we believe.''

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Obama-Clinton.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:25 AM
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172. Which Proves What?
That Clinton deliberately twisted Obama's words? Or that she's merely clueless?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:30 AM
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175. I think a better word would be "disparaged" -- not mocked.

For some people to whom he was speaking their response is along the response of:

The jobs leaving has been horrible for us, but that's not why I fight for gun rights, thats not why I go to church, thats not why I'm against amnesty for illegal immigrants, etc.

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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:44 AM
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178. Not politically correct but, unfortunately, brutally honest
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:52 AM
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180. Obama says he misspoke. All things considered, Hillary supporters
more than anyone else should understand that.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:55 AM
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181. Hopefully,
Rodeoduncer and his evil minions have, at long last, been rendered speechless for all eternity thanks to the righteous onslaught of the wooden stake of truth.....
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:49 PM
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183. I'm an athiest, but my mom says I need religion for the hard times.
She really believes that and she says it because she loves me.

It does make me sad that I don't believe because I know it would make her happy. But what can you do?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:53 PM
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185. His purpose wasn't to mock rural voters, but to try get people in San Francisco to understand...
...how some rural voters feel about job losses, and why Republicans can use God-and-guns to get elected.

I admit that he should have framed it differently.

Even he admits that he should have said it differently.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:54 PM
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186. Keep distorting and spinning, you're doing the GOP's job for them.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:42 PM
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196. I'd say Obama's doing a job on himself; he opened his silly mouth
dissing Americans. That guy isn't ready for prime time. Maybe in ten years, but not now.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:33 PM
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192. Not mocking. Validation.
Spin it however you like, but because Obama spoke a truth that most find uncomfortable, it will force people to discuss it. For way too long, the 'forgotten' Americans - the hard-working blue collar backbone of this country, have been ignored and downright attacked by our government.

Obama validates their feelings, like it or not. They are bitter and angry and are sick and tired of it - they want to have a bright future; not hear platitudes from Hillary and McCain about how great everything is for them.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:43 PM
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197. K & R ! Great post, rodeodance.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:23 AM
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211. Well, That Makes Two of You Who Think So
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:44 PM
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198. He didn't mock them.
Have you read "What's the Matter with Kansas?" If you haven't, it explains what Obama was talking about perfectly.

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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:45 PM
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199. That is all well and nice
but the important discussion should be about what Hillary supporters are going to do to support Obama since he is going to be our nominee.
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chill factor Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:47 PM
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200. I live in a small town....
and, yes, I am bitter - no two ways about it. Life is tough here. I also know when the wool is being pulled over my eyes but I, for one, am not buying the sheep. Senator Obama understands that when one's life is going down the slippery slope, one's faith can carry them through - and, yes, I do cling to mine. I do not see that as a negative but as a positive influence in my life. Trying to put a negative spin on one' faith is sick.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:06 PM
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204. Actual text within its context:
OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...I think they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
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GeniusLib Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:06 PM
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205. He is just acting like any normal politician and playing up to his audience at the time....
the millionaire elites in San Francisco see the flyover states as full of a bunch of racist, uneducated, rednecks in need of enlightenment. This kind of arrogance is horrible and could cost the Democrats the election.
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Pavarotti Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:08 PM
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206. Obama campaign releases picture aimed at damage control
the Obama campaign seeks to appease pro-gun voters:



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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:22 PM
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208. you owe me a keyboard
:spray:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:25 PM
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223. He looks so bitter in that picture!
:rofl:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:24 PM
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209. "typical white rural folk"
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:11 PM
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210. Obama's comment was condescending and rude.
What he doesn't get is that the working class are already on to him and the audacity of his hype. They know bullshit when they see/smell it.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:28 AM
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212. Once again site the mocking part of what he said...


He was explaining why single issue voters vote on single issues.

Where's the mockery?

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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:38 AM
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214. I remember when certain trolls said Obama was TOO religious
Now he's not religious enough...

It's amazing... First he was too white, then he's too black. He's accused of being too hopeful, and too republican, now the same idiots accuse him of being a cynical far left liberal elitist who's out of touch with everybody. :crazy:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:32 PM
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225. Hillary and the Happy Horseshit tour coming to a town near you.
Grab your beer and whiskey and get ready to rock and roll. We ain't got no problems out here that a good pile of horseshit shovelled on with a guffaw can't cure.
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TSGracchus Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:33 PM
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226. Draft Webb
Hillary is unelectable and has alienated a solid part of the party base by attacking Obama. Obama has committed the worst presidential gaffe since Dewey lost the '48 presidential election by suggesting that a train engineer ought to be shot. Democrats ought to come together to draft United States Senator James H. Webb, Jr. to be the party standard-bearer in this year's presidential election.
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