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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:54 PM
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Calling John Edwards!! NOW's the time to weigh in on Obama's "Bitter-gate"
I can't imagine JE EVER endorsing Hillary now, on the heals of Hillary's (and McSame's) transparently ridiculous
charges that Obama's a "condescending elitist" because he honestly acknowledges and connects with the outrage, frustration
and pain so many voters are feeling about the state of the economy, endless ME wars, the torture, NAFTA, etc. etc.

In fact, this would be the perfect moment for JE to openly and wholeheartedly endorse Obama, now that he's being
attacked for standing up for "the little guy"; especially since that was at the heart of Edwards' whole 2-Americas
message to voters.

OK, I know Elizabeth made some positive comments about Hillary's health plan; which is perfect as a way of giving
Hillary a modicum of credit publicly for one of the few aspects of her campaign platform that isn't totally fucked
up. Now it's time to give Obama the credit he's due, for standing up to the DC establishment on behalf of the American
people; and doing it on multiple fronts: i.e. not taking lobbyist money, his anti-corruption legislation & government
transparency platform.


Come on John .. I know you can do it, and you should do it, and do it NOW, before the PA primary hopefully. It would be
a beautiful way to put Obama over the top in PA and in clinching the nomination ... and kicking Mc Same's sorry ass in the
General Election.

Come on John.. it's not time to be on the side-lines. No. It's time for us to take back America from the GOP/DNC
tweedle-dee, tweedle-dumb Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton/McSame DyNasty.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:58 PM
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1. what does JE gain from that? seriously... what does he gain?
he is not going to be a VP candidate...

he makes an enemy of the Clintons, and befriends a young candidate that has a very rough GE ahead of him who very well might loose...

why? why do that?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:58 PM
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2. Courage, conviction and integrity?
:shrug:
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:25 PM
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28. This is a ridiculous thing to say. n/t
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:02 PM
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4. It sets up a possible run in 2012 or 2016
And I do not see him endorsing making him a permanent enemy of the Clintons. The Clintons may despise Obama for the rest of their lives. However, they will move on with everyone else in my view.


Also an Obama endorsement will give him more time to continue to push his message and continue to cast attention on the people who need real help in America.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:06 PM
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6. Are you out of your flipping mind?
Is that the only reason anyone should do anything? Because they personally GAIN from it?

He can't do something because it is the right thing to do? There has to be something in it for him?

You want to know what is wrong with Clinton, you just said it perfectly. EVERYTHING is tit for tat... this for that. She and McCain represent a series of political favors and paybacks. No one does anything unless there is something to gain... not because it is the right thing to do... Every position, ever word is carefully chosen for the maximum GAIN.

Fuck if it sends people to war to die... it increases the chances of not being painted as an anti-war candidate.


Fuck the little guy... I'll vote for a bankrupcy bill and hope it doesn't pass, b/c I GAIN more out of a yes vote.

What does he GAIN?!?

Jesus Tap Dancing Christ... is this really what it has come to??
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:09 PM
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10. John's more concerned about We the People taking back America, than about playing politics
in case you didn't notice. I did. I was a JE supporter, after supporting DK and before supporting Obama.

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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:18 PM
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13. Edwards would make an excellent Attorney General on Obama's cabinet.
talk about a win/win.. makes me tingle.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:30 PM
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29. He gains his country back.
And why wouldn't anyone want to make an enemy of the Clintons? At this point, why would anyone want to publicly admit to being their friend?
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:58 PM
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3. I think he is going to make his endoresemt before NC
Where it will have the most effect in my view.

As by now he would have likely endorsed unless he was planning something.

Edwards is not stupid. He wants to get BOTH candidates talking about the people before he gives an endorsement. As remember. His Endorsement will change the game.

I do not see him agreeing with Clinton or McCain that Americans are not bitter.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:02 PM
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5. I don't think
His endorsement has any effect one way or the other at this point. If he wanted to endorse right after his concession would have been the time to do it. Now his supporters are fully in one camp or the other and his voice isn't going to change those people's minds. Best thing John can do for John is sit at home and be quiet than campaign for the eventual candidate.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:06 PM
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7. I have seen more than a few people that have not moved on from edwards.
Seriously some plan to take it all the way to the convention.

If he continues into the convention without endorsing it could be bad for future runs. So Somthing tells me he is going to be making an endorsement before this race is fully over.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:08 PM
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8. I just got a letter from John Edwards urging us to
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 05:08 PM by Cleita
turn our attention to the congressional races to gain an unvetoable majority in both the House and Senate. Reading between the lines, I get the impression, he's not thrilled with any of the candidates and is placing his hopes in a strong Congress to undo the mess of the Bush years, no matter who is President, even if it could even be McCain.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:14 PM
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11. Good idea! Lots of us aren't thrilled with any of the candidates, either. Concentrating on
congressional races is smart, very smart.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:27 PM
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24. Not if Hillary keeps trashing the Democratic party
The more Hillary continues to snipe at Obama using Republican talking points, the less likely we are going to make large gains in Congress. If that is his true goal, then he would want to get the nomination wrapped up sooner rather than later, so the attention can be focused on the Republicans. John Edwards is smart enough to know this, yet he continues to sit this out. Just shit or get off the pot. Why can't he put aside his ego and pick someone to endorse already.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:19 PM
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15. I think John can ride a bike and chew gum at the same time.
as in endorsing Obama AND focusing lots of energy on Congressional races at the same time.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:24 PM
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16. Probably, but there seems to be a reason, he's not endorsing
and we won't be privvy to it until he does.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:45 PM
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17. The reason is he's been waiting for the "right time", which is now IMHO. ~nt~
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:08 PM
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9. The problem is see with JE is that he REALLY, REALLY wants to endorse Obama HOWEVER,
it's because Obama's health plan is different is the ONLY reason he cant....JE would rather not endorse either candidate (he will never, for the life of him, endorse Hillary that is for sure) simply because his pet project (healthcare) wouldnt be considered...sure he has other aspects of his policy as president but to JE all that is meaningless if he cant get his specific healthcare plan to fly....so imho i doubt JE will endorse ever..sure you will see him at the Convention shaking hands but thats about it.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:15 PM
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12. Sadly, you may be correct. But I still can imagine him endorsing BHO.
And I think this silly "bitterness" flap would be the perfect moment to do so.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:18 PM
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14. No, YOU really, really want him to endorse Obama
He just wants America to get better for ALL Americans. I personally don't see that happening with ANY of the candidates.

zalinda
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:04 PM
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21. No, you want him to endorse Obama.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:47 PM
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18. Edwards has based his entire political modus operandi
on the idea that people are sick and fucking tired of the current climate.

Obama's statement mirrors a lot of his strategy--to tell people the unvarnished truth and offer them real change to get out of the hole they're in rather than acting like everything is A-OK.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:12 PM
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22. Bingo!! Ding! Ding! ~ we have a winner!
and I hear that Jimmy Carter and Al Gore are on board as well,
so that's great.
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delicatessen Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:48 PM
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19. Obama and Axelrod criticized Edwards for being too angry
December 2007:

The Washington Post's E.J. Dionne reported:

"The Edwards campaign is 'Storm the Bastille,' " said Axelrod in a colorful description of the former senator's fierce attacks on drug companies, oil companies and all others who would stand in the way of reform. This is appealing to the many Democrats who are in a fighting mood.
Clearly but obliquely referring to Edwards, Obama preached that anger won't cut it, either. "There's no shortage of anger and bluster and bitter partisanship out there," he said. "We can change the electoral math that's been all about division and make it about addition."

Obama didn't lag behind and took a shot as Edwards too:

Clearly but obliquely referring to Edwards, Obama preached that anger won't cut it, either. "There's no shortage of anger and bluster and bitter partisanship out there," he said. "We can change the electoral math that's been all about division and make it about addition.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/27/AR2007122701936.html

Don't expect "Bitter-Gate" to bring fond memories to Edwards regarding Obama.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:02 PM
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20. This is actually a real opportunity for Edwards to stay relevant.
He's been in danger of fading away politically. He's more than three years out of the Senate; it's doubtful he can run seriously for president again; and getting a statewide NC office seems unlikely too.

Without "Bitter-gate", his endorsement really wouldn't have had much impact. Obama hasn't needed him and Clinton is in such a weak state that there's little he could do to help her.

But this latest brouhaha, with its class overtones, seems tailor-made for Edwards. Working class anger is his bread and butter. This is one area where he really does have credibility. Imagine if he were to get out front and say: "Obama may have expressed it clumsily, but he's right. People are angry and disillusioned, and they have the right to be, given what politicians like Clinton and Bush have given them." That would be a big (and sure to be remembered) boost for Obama and would elevate Edwards' standing in the party. It would also be a good thing to do for this country. Win-win-win.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:18 PM
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23. I Think You Are Spot-On !!!
C'mon on in John, the water is fine.

:kick:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:31 PM
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25. I don't think JRE ought to openly endorse or support anyone...
..it won't help him or any of his causes (poverty). Like Gore, he ought to just lie low from the election stuff and do his life's work.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:33 PM
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26. Fuck you and your entitled bullshit
Edwards is NOT beholden to you or anyone else to endorse obama because you act like a fucking toddler and demand it now.
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:59 PM
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27. To the contrary...
The moment Edwards endorses one of the remaining candidates, he will lost credibility with approx. half the Democratic voters, plus those independents whose votes would have made him the most electable candidate.

Hang in there, John, and follow your own star. Rather than make another try for office, maybe he'll follow Al Gore's example and work outside conventional politics on issues of poverty, corporate malfeasance, and the health system.
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