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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:05 PM
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What Hillary really meant by her Gore comment...
When Hillary Clinton called Al Gore--one of the most beloved and well-respected members of
the Democratic party who Progressives revere as an icon--"an elitist", she was really saying,
"Screw the Progressive wing of the Democratic party."

Gore is one of the most important Progressive leaders in our party. There is also a great deal
of pain surrounding that great man, because of what happened in 2000.

For Hillary to position Gore as an elitist, is to trash the Progressive movement within the Democratic
party. She knows how adored and admired he is to us.

She's ripping apart this party and she has no qualms about turning her infamous attack machine against
half of the Democratic party.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:07 PM
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1. I can't believe Hillary has indeed turned into the sour puss of all time.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:46 PM
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40. Sour puss of all time
yup. believe it : - )))
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:08 PM
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2. Say Goodnight, Hillary. It's OVER. Get Off the Stage.
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 09:46 PM by Stephanie











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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:11 PM
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9. In the last photo it looks like Obama is checkin out her butt
She got back!!!
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:12 PM
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11. LOL
buttpat

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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:13 PM
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14. Those two pics of them looking into each other's eyes make me feel sad for her.
She knows she's done. You can see it in her expression.

Kinda sad.

- as
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:14 PM
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17. To me it looks like she knows WHAT she's done.
She looks guilty, sheepish.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:22 PM
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30. I thought she looked ashamed...
That's a look of shame.

She knows. She knows that she's not going to win, and she knows all of
this "gotcha" stuff won't help her, but will only hurt the Dem's chances
in the GE.

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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:41 PM
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37. You're right, that's closer to it.
I guess you can slam a man all week long, but when he's standing right in front of you it begins to register just what you've been doing.

- as
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:06 PM
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42. Totally.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:37 PM
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54. Yup. Ashamed to look him in the eyes.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:09 PM
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3. The Clintons are showing their "Primary Colors". It is ALL about THEM.
Obama is not perfect - no politican is - but he is the only one of the three running to whom I would entrust the next four years of our country
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:10 PM
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5. I just watched that again last week. Spooky. They truly have only gotten more vicious.. BITTER !
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:09 PM
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4. She wants progressives to be marginalized.
She sees us as the "looney left." She's DLC through and through and would like nothing more for us to just go away.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:12 PM
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10. I think we are as much an enemy to her as McCain
I believe that about the DLC.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:13 PM
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15. I think we are the BIGGER enemy.
If the DLC loses control of the party, it's over for them for a long time.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:29 AM
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45. Bingo! I think you're exactly right. n/t
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:10 PM
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6. She's not winning friends and influencing people nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:11 PM
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7. hilary is a hit man for the
goperverts and has been for the last 6 years that I know about.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:11 PM
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8. Maybe she was hung over?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:15 PM
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20. Bingo!
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:16 PM
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23. battle fatigue
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:12 PM
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12. What did she say this time?
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:13 PM
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13. The ONLY thing the ReTHUGlicans were EVER right about
Hillary is TRASH and her megalomaniac husband too.

She can't shine Al Gores shoes......she is a triangulating LOSER....she will NOT tear the progressive movement apart, by her using wingnut Rovian talking points she is making us stroner.....

STFU Hillary you are so 1990's
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:13 PM
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16. She's quite short-sighted in her pursuit of power imo -nt
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:14 PM
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18. Maybe she's just "bitter"?
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:14 PM
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19. When did she call Al Gore elitist? Is this something recent?
I'm afraid to go to sleep at night and miss something urgently important..
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:18 PM
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27. Hillary called Al Gore an "elitist'...
...tonight, during the CNN "Compassionate Forum" that was a discussion about religion and
faith.

Hillary was on first. Then, Obama came on and talked. They were both interviewed and took
questions from relgious leaders in the audience.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:36 PM
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36. I'm shocked.. what does that have to do with compassion? I missed most of both of them there.
In what context did she talk about Gore?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:45 PM
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39. She said that the right wing painted Gore and Kerry...
as being "elitist" and "out of touch".
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:03 PM
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52. No mention of "right wing"
Here's the actual quote:

"You don't have to think back too far to remember that good men running for president were viewed as being elitist and out of touch with the values and lives of millions of Americans," she said.

Where's the right-wing paint?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:15 PM
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21. Without your giving a "Link" to that "Quote" how can reasonable folks respond? n/t
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:19 PM
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29. Hillary said this tonight on CNN's...
..."Compassionate Forum."

I don't have a link, because she said this during the live interview this evening on CNN.

If I find a link, I will post it here.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:25 PM
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32. CNN has a "COMPASSIONATE Forum?" You gotta be kidding...okay....
don't bother with link...I've never heard of this...but I will take you at your word on it. Peace!
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:15 PM
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22. Now she's showing her true DLC colors.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:17 PM
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24. This can only mean one thing ...
... she knows FOR A FACT that Gore is NOT endorsing her, no how no way. If she thought there was even a glimmer of a hope that he would, she wouldn't have opened her big mouth.

So now the question is: Does she know Gore isn't endorsing ANYONE, or does she KNOW he's going to endorse Obama?

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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:48 PM
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56. If she knew that Gore wasn't endorsing anyone...
...would she risk changing his mind about that decision?

Actually, at this point she might.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:17 PM
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25. she said Gore and Kerry were framed as elitist by the repubs
and that Obama didn't need to be giving them ammo for the GE


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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:18 PM
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26. That's what I heard too
it would be helpful to see the quote.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:22 PM
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31. So she said framing Dems as "elitist" was a Repub tactic?
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 09:22 PM by cottonseed
I didn't hear exactly what she said, but if she's ready to make nice than that's a start. It'll look odd when she has to turn around and endorse Obama in a few months.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:27 PM
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33. Same thing she said this morning
that Obama needs to address this because it sounds elitist and that is what loses elections for dems

tonight she said Gore and Kerry lost because they were framed as elitist


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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:44 PM
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38. That is what she did say.
The thing, is that Gore and Kerry never made any comments that could be deemed demeaning to rural voters like Obama did.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:27 AM
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44. A) She said Gore LOST because he was framed as elitist - Barack corrected that - Gore WON
B) Who is doing the false framing now? Her Highness. It's despicable. Shame on her. "Oh, it's not ME, I'm just saying OTHER PEOPLE might frame it that way!"

Hillary = Concern Troll
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:19 PM
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28. I'm weak. I didn't have the audio on for her part of it. Could you provide a link please? nt
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 09:49 PM by patrice
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:29 PM
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34. Clinton didn't say that Gore is an elitist,
Obama didn't say that a baby is a punishment, Bill Clinton didn't say that Obama's candidacy is a fairytale, Obama didn't say that Americans who live in rural areas stupidly cling to guns, religion and racism, Clinton didn't endorse McCain, Obama didn't say that Reagan was a great President. When will all the BS end?

Regardless of who wins the nomination (and in my opinion it is highly likely that Obama will win), we should unite behind that person because HE OR SHE will:

1. restore habeas corpus and other constitutional rights (Unlike Clinton and Obama, McCain voted to eliminate many of those rights by, e.g., voting for the Military Comissions Act);

2. move the nation in the direction of a single-payer universal health care system (the only sane system);

3. END MAJOR COMBAT OPERATIONS IN IRAQ (McCain somehow doesn't realize that spending billions of dollars killing people is almost never a cost-effective and moral means to the end of making the world a better place; on his view foreign aid is great so long as it is really expensive and involves a lot of killing);

4. take meaningful steps to address global warming;

5. appoint supreme court justices who aren't interested in making the executive branch aqbove the law;

6. restore America's image in the world thereby greatly enhancing our security;

7. support economic policies that do not simply put money into the pockets of the rich (Unlike Clinton and Obama, McCain Voted Against a Clean Minimum Wage Increase for Working Families. McCain voted with the Republicans in 2007 to stall a clean minimum wage increase for working families— before bowing to public pressure and voting to pass the final bill that included tax breaks for businesses. He even voted to completely repeal the minimum wage laws in 45 states and allow the other five states to opt out of any future minimum wage increases above $5.15 an hour. )

8. etc.

Obama and Clinton both represent a radical CHANGE from the last eight years. Both are vastly superior to McCain. True democrats will care enough about the country and the world to vote for either Obama or Clinton.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:32 PM
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35. I am no longer convinced there is an appreciable difference between Clinton and McCain.
And, sadly, I voted for her on Super Tuesday.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:57 PM
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41. that's odd
given that their positions on most major issues are so similar
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:58 AM
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47. Who, her and McSame?
I find her to be very much like Granpda and very little like a Democrat.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:53 PM
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43. Well if *I* can't win, I'll make damn sure no one else will either! That'll show 'em!!
Hillary's mantra.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:35 AM
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46. She didn't call Al Gore an elitist
but why tell the truth when a lie will serve your purpose better?
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:14 PM
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53. She said millions viewed him as an elitist
"You don't have to think back too far to remember that good men running for president were viewed as being elitist and out of touch with the values and lives of millions of Americans," she said.

But, of course, someone who is a Senator, has a mansion in Westchester, sits on $100 million and went to Wellesley is the salt of the earth.
She's practically a whiskey drinking coal miner.

And btw, those "millions of Americans" who thought Gore and Kerry were "elitist" voted for Bush.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:59 AM
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48. Kick! Gore had plenty of flaws as a candidate, but he's still a Democratic treasure.
Hillary? Not so much.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:02 PM
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49. Thom Hartmann just mentioned that Truman said, if a Democrat runs like a
Republican, the Republican will win every time.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:02 PM
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50. You nailed it!!
nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:03 PM
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51. She probably thinks/knows that he won't endorse her (if anybody.)
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:38 PM
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55. What color Beret' would a DLC Militant wear?
Republican Red?
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:52 PM
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57. She's showing everyone, just in case that there were a few people who still had doubts, just
how much of a bottom-feeder she truly is.
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