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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:03 PM
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The Great Awakening is something the Obama campaign can join !
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 10:17 PM by EVDebs
Jim Wallis's book,

The Great Awakening
Reviving Faith & Politics in a Post-Religious Right America
http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780060558291/The_Great_Awakening/index.aspx

shows us that if Obama holds that book up on high and shows that it isn't a bitter religion but a misguided religion that has led the country to this sad predicament, then he owns the primaries and Pennsylvania to boot.

The 'much weeping and gnashing of teeth' will be the bitterness reserved for Republican die-hards who cling to neocon CON games.

If there are only two books that Obama holds up, and maybe Oprah can read this post too, I hope they are The Great Awakening and David Cay Johnston's Perfectly Legal (a book John Kerry bought many copies of and distributed to his people in 2004).

Perfectly Legal -- The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super-Rich
http://www.perfectlylegalthebook.com/index.htm

HRC has no answer for any of this stuff. The "bitterness" is in seeing that a false religion has led us to this point in time. And faith in guns isn't the same as faith in God. The average Joe in PA knows this deep down. Obama can get that across but he has to do it soon.



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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:18 PM
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1. I disagree... Saul made that mistake and the Kingdom was ripped from his hands...
The King must not take on the mantle of the church... The Right made that terrible mistake with Bush and I think we should keep religion separate from politics so one can castigate the other for the betterment of both. I assume you are a Christian so I must remind you that, God willing, Obama will be the President of the United States and will serve that master. That must never be forgotten... He may be sympathetic to Christianity but his allegiance will lie with the princely powers of this Earth... A princely power that engages in torture... that lies to go into war... that is eroding our Constitution... that is poisoning the civil discourse and turning neighbor against neighbor. Obama might not allow this government to continue on this path... he may be strong enough to change the hearts and minds of the U.S. government but that change must come about through the application of reason and subservience to the accepted law of the land. To join his political message with the blessed revelation of Christ would not only invariably smack of hypocrisy; it could also stifle the zeal on which we, as Christians, would hold him accountable for mistakes.

We must have the freedom to be the Samuel to his Saul and possibly even the Nathan to his David if that day should come. Vox populi, vox dei; politicians should be respectful of religious people but careful not to try to control religious dialog or use people's faith in God to suit their own political ends. If after eight years, there are less poor, there are less needy, there are less people living in fear and less people drowning in hate and misery... If after eight years, peace is exported from our shores in stead of war then Obama can claim he joined the great awakening. If after eight years, hope is finally realized as the birth-right of every American and the due of every person then he can claim allegiance to the great awakening. If after his works have revealed his faith then we can embrace him as a brother but we cannot until the crown is forever off his head and his allegiance is to only one King. Until that day, he is a man looking to become Cesar and only time will reveal his true faith.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:33 PM
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2. FDR was a Freemason...
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 05:48 PM by EVDebs
The colors of our flag are from the original Knights Templar/Freemasonic degrees:

White, first degree Entered Apprentice,
Blue, second degree Fellowcraft
and
Red, third degree Master Mason

the point I'm making here is that even Freemasonry is attacked for being somehow in league with the devil. This secret society isn't all a bad thing as many would have you believe. The Boston Tea Party was Paul Revere's lodge mostly ...

These Founding Fathers were mostly Freemasons whose ancestors were victimized in the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre,

"The French Protestants were called Huguenots: President George Washington had a Huguenot ancestor, as did at least 5 other Presidents: John Adams, John Quincy Adams, John Tyler, James Garfield, and Theodore Roosevelt. A Huguenot refugee named Apollos de Revoire settled in Boston, and had a son who signed his name Paul Revere! Remember his famous midnight ride? Three members of the Continental Congress - Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and Elias Boudinot were Huguenots. Other great names include Francis Marrion, General George Patton, Clair Chennault, Admiral Dewey, Du Ponts, Henry Thoreau, Longfellow etc., etc. A Huguenot colony was founded in Florida in 1562 (years before the English landed), but was later destroyed by Spanish raiders."

http://www.reformation.org/bart.html

Such underground sentiment against the Jesuits continued into the 1800s with the episode of the seizure of the 'Pope's Stone'

Martin Luther King Jr was invited to be RFK's running mate (which may have sped up the timelines for their assassinations btw). The religious aspects of Dr King shouldn't have blocked HIM from running with RFK and I won't put those restrictions on Obama.

""But the Bob Kennedy who was killed in '68, I think was a very different person. I regard it as one of my sadnesses that I did not see him at the end. Because he had made an overture to Martin to run as a Vice-Presidential candidate with him. It was not generally known. But when he made his announcement, March I guess it was 15th or 16th, he made contact with Martin and I'm sure that contact was known.""--

from William Pepper's talk, posted online at

William F. Pepper - An Act of State
The Execution of Martin Luther King
Talk given at Modern Times Bookstore, San Francisco, CA
4 February 2003
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/WFP020403.html

Now, investigate JFK's NSAM 263 and LBJ's immediate reversal (NSAM 273) and you can see that being against the Vietnam occupation then, as now, can result in direct military action against you.

I imagine that Barack Obama is being spied upon by our military right now.

You can separate church and state but you cannot separate the man from his God. Obviously King David didn't have the kingdom ripped from his hands either.

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