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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:46 PM
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TYT: It's Impossible to be Proud of the Way Hillary Has Run This Campaign
It's Impossible to be Proud of the Way Hillary Has Run This Campaign
By Cenk Uygur

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/its-impossible-to-be-prou_b_96782.html#postComment

I feel like asking the same question about elitists that Jim Mora once famously asked about the playoffs. Elitists?! Elitists?! We're talking about elitists?!

The Clinton and McCain families both have over $100 million. Barack Obama has a father from Kenya and mother from Kansas. Who are they kidding about elitism?

I don't think money is necessarily the determinative factor in whether you're an elitist or not. And I think the Clintons did work their way up in this world. But to claim that a guy like Obama who built his success completely on his own and from the bottom up is an elitist is beyond ridiculous. In fact, it's worse; it's Republican.

Republicans charge Democrats with being elitists every campaign cycle as they themselves are dripping with money, status and privilege. And they get away with it every time. George W. Bush's grandfather was a senator, his father was president, he went to Andover, Yale and Harvard - and he claimed the Democrats were elitists and he was the regular guy you could have a beer with (ignoring the fact that he is an alcoholic).

And the media lets them get away with this insane shell game. You can say Obama went to Harvard, too. But one thing is for sure -- his daddy didn't get him in. There is all the difference in the world between having your family name get you into Harvard and earning your way in. One makes you privileged and upper class; the other makes you an American success story.

One more thing about Obama. When he got out of Harvard Law, he could have made a lot of money in private industry. Instead, he went to work for disadvantaged communities in Chicago. This guy spent his life helping the poor when he could have been stinking rich instead. And now they call him elitist and the media mindlessly goes along with it http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=how_blue_is_your_collar.

Meanwhile, McCain wants to give away billions of dollars in tax breaks to the richest people in America. And he has the nerve to bring up elitism? He married a woman who is a multi-millionaire. He is from the party that stands up for multi-millionaires. And he is going to accuse a guy who came up from nothing and helped others struggling to do the same of being an elitist? How can the media not see through this mind-numbingly obvious political hackery?

Now, Hillary is playing this game, too. And this is what pisses me off about her the most. She buys into everything Republicans say about Democrats. She has now resorted to using GOP Politics 101 against Obama. Not only is this damaging to our eventual candidate (every dollar she spends now is a dollar in McCain's pocket), not only is it infuriating because it has absolutely no validity but it is also ultimately self-defeating.

Once she accepts the Republican framing, she has done their job for them. Even in the wildly implausible scenario that she becomes the Democratic candidate, she is signing her own political death warrant by agreeing to all of the Republican attacks against Democrats.

If she wants to be the candidate who is reflexively pro-gun, accuses others of not being sufficiently religious and charges Democrats of being elitists when they're trying to stand up for the little guy, she can piss off and become a Republican already.

Seriously, who is still proud to say they are a Hillary Clinton supporter? Are you proud of this campaign? Has she inspired you? Has she made you proud to be a Democrat?

If you're a Clinton supporter at this point and you're honest with yourself, you know she's running a Republican campaign against him. You might trick yourself into thinking she is just being tough and doing what's necessary. But she certainly isn't the one fighting for our world-view and our vision of what makes this country great. You might think she has to win by any means necessary, but you're certainly not proud of her.

Let's elect a Democrat who doesn't actually mind being a Democrat.

www.theyoungturks.com

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:50 PM
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1. Love that!
Especially these parts:

One more thing about Obama. When he got out of Harvard Law, he could have made a lot of money in private industry. Instead, he went to work for disadvantaged communities in Chicago. This guy spent his life helping the poor when he could have been stinking rich instead.

:woohoo:




Now, Hillary is playing this game, too. And this is what pisses me off about her the most. She buys into everything Republicans say about Democrats. She has now resorted to using GOP Politics 101 against Obama. Not only is this damaging to our eventual candidate (every dollar she spends now is a dollar in McCain's pocket), not only is it infuriating because it has absolutely no validity but it is also ultimately self-defeating.

Once she accepts the Republican framing, she has done their job for them. Even in the wildly implausible scenario that she becomes the Democratic candidate, she is signing her own political death warrant by agreeing to all of the Republican attacks against Democrats.

If she wants to be the candidate who is reflexively pro-gun, accuses others of not being sufficiently religious and charges Democrats of being elitists when they're trying to stand up for the little guy, she can piss off and become a Republican already.


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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:50 PM
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2. 100% in Agreement.
K&R
:kick:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:53 PM
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3. Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd and others agree. nt
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 12:54 PM by gateley
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:20 PM
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4. Anyone who is *honest* with themselves for a moment agrees n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:23 PM
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5. If I were a committed supporter,
I'd fight 'til the end and probably convince myself of the spin I needed to believe to keep on going, but I know every time a new little bomb was dropped my initial reaction would be "ewwww".
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Skarbrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:24 PM
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6. I don't agree she's Republican in any way, but she has run a lousy
campaign. I was a Hillary supporter and now I see her hanging on for dear life and it ain't pretty. She has me totally confused. I thought we had two great candidates and we ended up with the two worst candidates to run against each other. Uh, and I know I've said that before. Still believe it.

I'm voting for the Democratic candidate.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:53 PM
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10. Well, the point is that she accepts Republican Framing on far too many issues
And it's especially damaging when she accepts Republican framing that not only undermines Obama (the likely Dem nominee), but also herself and her entire party.

Add this together with her (and Bill) praising McCain on experience, national security cred and patriotism (while dissing Obama at the same time on all three) and you have a Republican recipe for Democratic Disaster.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 02:15 PM
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11. She's not a republican - she's a DLCer.
By their own definition, a "Third Way" which is neither Republican nor Democratic.

I'm voting for the Democratic candidate.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 02:50 PM
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12. Understandable n/t
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:50 PM
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15. I agree. A DLCer and A Republican are close, but not the same
A DLC will first bash any Green who says there's no difference between a Democrat and a Republican; then he'll bash any Democrat who tries not to sound too much like a Republican.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:25 PM
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7. Young Turks - DEAD to me!!
How's my Clinton supporter impression?

:rofl:

- as
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:28 PM
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8. the 'elitist' thing is horseshit, of course.
Cenk calls it again. k&r
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:30 PM
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9. K/R.
:kick:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 02:58 PM
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13. Why would any democrat with a CHOICE support Hillary!?!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:38 PM
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14. They have their reasons
I think on balance they are not good reasons, but they have them nonetheless.

But it's one thing to support the candidate and quite another to support her TERRIBLE campaign that is damaging to the likely Dem nominee AND herself if she somehow manages to shock us all and get the nomination.

If people want to defend Hillary personally, okay. I disagree, but okay. But defending her campaign? No, I'm sorry, it's simply an untenable position at this point (for progressives).

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:53 PM
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17. Obama's no progressive
. . . and their unquestioning support for him is antithetical to many of the issues and concerns they've been fighting for.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:10 PM
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18. It's all about context and the political spectrum
Sure, he may not be FDR reincarnated, but so what? We have to choose the best of what we have within our corrupt, special interest driven system with an uninformed/misinformed public and a dopey MSM that rarely does its job.

By the way, even if there WAS someone who was essentially an FDR clone, he/she would be unelectable in today's political climate. Is that sad? Yes. But is it reality? Yes.

So until we have some major changes (and Obama is much closer to pushing forward public financing of elections laws than is Hillary based on his track record and mission statement, aka, The Blueprint For Change) I'll stick with the person who is *closer* to the progressive side of the spectrum, if not as much on issues, certainly on tactics and framing of the issues, which counts for something.

If people want to sit out out of politics until we have some Ultimate Perfect Progressive (*who actually stands a chance of being elected*), they are welcome to do so, although they may want to find another hobby because it may not happen in our lifetime.
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:11 PM
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19. Fantastic post!
He is not perfect, but he is better!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:36 AM
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25. No. Like Clinton, he's a centrist. However--
--he does not use Rethug issue framing very often. Clinton never does anything else.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:40 AM
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27. Hillary's no progressive either.
Far from it.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:52 PM
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16. Got your flame retardant suit handy?
Good luck.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:46 PM
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20. No need for luck ;)
I'm confident in Cenk's argument, and defending it is pretty damn easy IMO. He nailed this issue, plain and simple.
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:46 PM
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21. Bump!
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:00 PM
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22. Kick!
:kick:
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:36 PM
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24. You know, I've never figured out
how to get that little donkey.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:38 AM
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26. Check the smilies lookup table
Or just put "kick" inbetween two colons
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:40 AM
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29. Thanks n/t
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:02 PM
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23. kick! I LOVE TYT!!
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:10 AM
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28. Bump!
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:58 AM
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30. Hillary has accepted the Rethug talking points for a long time
so its no surprise at the tactics she has used towards Obama in this campaign. By the way Hillary, Gore the elitist won the popular vote and the election was stolen from him. He actually served in the military along with that elitist Kerry. Hillary's campaign has been about taking her opponent down at any cost. Not only has it not worked it has raised her negatives up. Nice try, Hill.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:28 AM
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34. Yep n/t
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:05 AM
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31. Great post.
:kick:
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bcoylepa Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:07 AM
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32. my feelings exactly!
let's bury Rove for good
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:11 AM
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33. That's what I think, too. K&R nt
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:31 AM
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35. kick
:kick:
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