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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:22 PM
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Indiana: Clinton 55% Obama 39%
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 05:07 PM by DemGa
What a shift in two weeks! -- as this would indicate, a thorough trouncing lies ahead for Barack Obama.

Indiana Men, Democrats, & Young Voters Move Away From Obama: In a Democratic Primary in Indiana today, 04/14/08, three weeks until the primary, Hillary Clinton defeats Barack Obama 55% to 39%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for WCPO-TV Cincinnati and WHAS-TV Louisville. Compared to an identical SurveyUSA poll released two weeks ago, Clinton is up 3 points, Obama is down 4 points. Clinton had led by 9 at the beginning of April, leads by 16 mid-month. Here's where the movement is occurring: Among men, Obama had trailed by 2, now trails by 12, a 10-point swing to Clinton. In greater Indianapolis, Obama had led by 12, now trails by 1, a 13-point swing to Clinton. Among Democrats, Obama had trailed by 12, now trails by 27, a 15-point swing to Clinton. Among voters focused on health care, Clinton had led by 10, now leads by 30, a 20-point swing to Clinton. Among the youngest voters, Obama had led by 19, now trails by 2, a 21-point swing to Clinton.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d8b46eaa-c463-408e-98d2-b830eb122d39

Ed. Poll released 04/14/08
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:23 PM
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1. But, Indiana is racist!!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:26 PM
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2. Beat me to it..... nt
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:26 PM
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3. you forgot bitter.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:28 PM
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5. yeah, just like Kentucky and Tenn.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:10 PM
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35. LOL.
I was waiting for it.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:13 PM
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64. You beat me to that, too! DAMN I'm always the last to get in here!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:27 PM
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4. Same day: North Carolina with 50 more delegates at stake.
:rofl:

Checkmate!

Up in Indy--->Check, NC

Up in Kentucky--->Checkmate Oregon

She cannot win.

Still.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:09 PM
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33. Ahem - She is not up in Indy...
LATimes/Bloomberg poll from TODAY:

"What is more, the poll found Clinton trails Obama by 5 points in Indiana, another Rust Belt state that should play to her strengths among blue-collar voters."

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-poll16apr16,0,794499.story

:hi:
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:24 PM
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45. thanks, was just about to post that link!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:07 AM
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70. I thought I saw a Clinton +20 post in here.
You mean it was bullshit? :)
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:30 PM
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6. I spend my summers in Indiana as a kid
at my Uncle's home, coming from NYC. What I learned about Indiana, is that what they say and what they do are most often two different things.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:32 PM
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9. Try winning the GE without it
Obama has written off so many states for the GE already, he doesn't have many left he can rely on.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:52 PM
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14. "Written off"? As in those states aren't important?
Something like that?
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:55 PM
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17. You DO know that Indiana hasn't voted Democratic in a general election since LBJ, right?
The last time it went for a Democrat was 1964.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:23 PM
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60. I agree
Write off Indiana.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:16 PM
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39. Bahahahaaha!
Wait...you're serious?

Indiana is one of the most reliably republican states out there. Not even Bill won it, either time. Since 1964, it's been republican every time.

And a Hillary clinton supporter talking about writing off states? Pot, meet kettle.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:23 PM
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43. Neither Dem. Candidate can win Indiana IMO. There's nothing battleground about it.
Indiana is as red as the head of a pileated woodpecker.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:31 PM
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7. Wasn't this yesterday's news? Again?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:37 PM
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10. and?? this is not the LBN news forum
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:06 PM
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27. It's ok, just a little pitful when you have 19 out of 100 show up
But it's fine. We've had bad news days too.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:31 PM
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8. From Texas to PA to Indiana
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:42 PM
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11. New poll up in 2 and out 3 and closing in Penn
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:49 PM
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12. PA doesn't matter
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 04:53 PM by nebula
Didn't you get the memo?

It's all about the Hoosier state!



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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:00 PM
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20. She's behind in the Hoosier State, too...
LATimes/Bloomberg Poll out TODAY:

"The survey found the New York senator leading Barack Obama by just 5 percentage points in Pennsylvania, which votes next Tuesday. Such a margin would not give her much of a boost in the battle for the party's nomination.

What is more, the poll found Clinton trails Obama by 5 points in Indiana, another Rust Belt state that should play to her strengths among blue-collar voters.

In North Carolina, an Obama stronghold, he is running 13 points ahead."
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:27 PM
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46. They are not very accurate pollsters... :-(
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:37 PM
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53. Of COURSE not.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:11 PM
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62. No...they really aren't.
It is a shame. All that money and poor results.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:26 PM
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67. I'll alert the media.
:)
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:54 PM
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16. LOL- LaTimes!!!!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/surveyusa-report-cards/
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:12 PM
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37. LA Times doesn't matter
They're only the second-largest, most widely read newspaper in the United States
(after the New York Times, which also has Obama in a significant lead).
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:20 PM
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41. Polling Accuracy Matters
Not inflated circulation statistics.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:27 PM
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47. In Hillary world, only the selective poll that favors her matters.





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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:28 PM
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48. It your world maybe.
I just go with the accurate ones.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:22 PM
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69. Just a paper from a small insignificant state
Hillary's people will be stunned when they lose Indiana.. Northwest Indiana (where the PEOPLE are) is little more than an extension of South Chicago..Obama country.. and they WILL vote..
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:51 PM
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13. LA Times/Bloomberg poll of Indiana has Obama up 40/35 today
time will tell...
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:52 PM
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15. That's a whole lotta undecideds.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:00 PM
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19. And in every other contest so far the last-minute undecideds have broken 2:1 for Obama.
That percentage of undecideds isn't good for Clinton.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:01 PM
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21. Clinton will win Indiana.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:05 PM
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25. She won't win the nomination, though.
She may win Indiana; it's too soon to predict. She will win Pennsylvania, but her likely margins of victory are going to be around 5-10%, far less than she needs to remain at all viable. The numbers aren't there for her. And Obama will win in North Carolina (by 15-20%, if the numbers from polling hold up). And Oregon. And Montana. And South Dakota. Clinton cannot catch up in delegates. not going to happen.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:06 PM
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26. And, he won't win the GE.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:08 PM
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31. That's also something that remains to be seen.
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 05:08 PM by Spider Jerusalem
Over six months to go until the election. I personally have more faith in the American people than you do. I don't think they're going to vote for the continuation of Bush's failed policies. I'm sorry that you seem to feel differently.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:07 PM
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29. My momma used to say
Don't count yer chickens before they're hatched.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:02 PM
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22. Not in Ohio..
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:07 PM
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30. Hey, isn't Ohio right between IN and PA? I wonder if that's significant?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:15 PM
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38. I would say it is very significant.
It also borders Kentucky & West Virginia...
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:20 PM
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40. Yeah, and so does Michigan. It almost looks like some kind of a pattern.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:22 PM
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42. Michigan borders Kentucky and West Virginia?
So, not only did you fail math, you also failed geography.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:24 PM
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44. OH, SNAP! Wait a second.....
Was that your underwear?



You can't read things in sequential order, apparantly.

The poster was talking about Ohio.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:30 PM
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49. I can read just fine.
you on the other hand apparently can't.


30. Hey, isn't Ohio right between IN and PA? I wonder if that's significant?

38. I would say it is very significant.

It also borders Kentucky & West Virginia...

40. Yeah, and so does Michigan. It almost looks like some kind of a pattern.




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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:35 PM
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52. Still can't read, I see.
What in the world do you think the bolded "it" represents?

It = Ohio
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:39 PM
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56. 'IT also borders Kentucky and West Virginia...yeah, and so does Michigan'
I'm shaking my head at the evident weakness of your reading comprehension skills. You can't construe that logically in any other way than the way I read it.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:11 PM
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61. And "so does Michigan border Ohio."
Do you need a map?

This is the intertubes. People don't always use perfect and clear grammar. However, the poster's intent was very clear.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:31 PM
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50. You were saying something about failing spider?
:evilgrin:
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:35 PM
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51. ...
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:02 PM
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23. the poll is worthless. nt
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:58 PM
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18. Wow That is HUGH!!!!11!!!!
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:04 PM
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24. taylor marsh propaganda AGAIN
lmao

the new LA/Bloomberg poll which is more respected has Obama beating MissBittery by 5% and it will get worse for the Ice Queen aka Goldwater trollette
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:06 PM
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28. Hillary, YES WE WILL!
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:08 PM
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32. A finer first post I've yet to see.
welcome welcome welcome.
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Wes87 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:10 PM
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34. Thanks!
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:50 PM
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59. Yes we will !!!!!!
not win the nomination.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:10 PM
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36. SHE HAS TO WIN BY 28 FOR IT TO HELP HER
she's not going to pull this off.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:37 PM
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54. Bitter racists!
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:38 PM
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55. Bullshit, I'm calling bullshit.
"Most surprisingly, the new LA Times/Bloomberg poll shows Obama ahead of Hillary Clinton by 5 points in Indiana (40 to 35 percent), a state with demographics that favor the New York senator and one where other recent polls have shown her with a lead.

The poll was conducted over five days (April 10-14), the majority of which came after Obama's now famous "bitter" comments first surfaced."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

But I wish Obama would be a little more careful.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:41 PM
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57. K&R!
The MSM has downplayed the effect of Barack Obama's fundraising speech at a San Francisco last week... Along with the revelations about Obama's pastor Jeremiah Wright, his remarks in San Francisco will haunt him not only in the upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia, but also in the GE against JM, IF he gets the Democratic nomination. Which...HE WON"T!!!!!!!!
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:44 PM
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58. Looks like there is still a state Hillary can win.
Snore.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:12 PM
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63. Indiana does not count!!!
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:30 PM
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65. Not enough to make up her pledged delegate deficit.
Sometimes I wonder if any of you Hillary supporters have a clue how this race works.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:40 PM
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66. Ummm. Obama is ahead by 5 points in this new poll in Indiana...
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 08:41 PM by RiverStone
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5glp029je84Y5K7VFF4UiwKaBLwEw

Guess it depends which poll you like. :think:
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:19 PM
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68. Polling can be pretty uncertain.
Especially this season.

My thinking is that Pennsylvania will determine whether this is even relevant, since an upset would really bury the idea that Hillary still has a chance, and some polls are making that seem possible.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:08 AM
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71. Ok Obama Supporters let us work to make this a WIN!!! Please support and Phonebank!!
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