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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:42 AM
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The Failed Seduction of John McCain

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ucru/20040617/cm_ucru/thefailedseductionofjohnmccain&e=1&ncid=

NEW YORK--Now we know what John Kerry (news - web sites) has been up to this spring. Other politicians, having wrapped up their party's nomination early in March, might have devoted those extra months to honing their stump speech, shaking down contributors and strategizing for the long slog to November.


Not Kerry. Kerry, it seems, spent the last three months begging Republican John McCain to run as his vice president. He didn't ask officially (whatever that means) but he asked seven times. "I don't want to formally ask because I don't want to be formally rejected, but having said that, would you do it?" an aide who ran messages between the two senators quoted Kerry's approach to The New York Times. Each time, each of seven times, McCain's answer was the same: an unequivocal no.


Hey, John, wanna be my veep?


No thanks.


I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that. So. Shall we print up some buttons?


No.


Come on, man. I need you.


Nope.


You're kidding! You know the Republicans will never nominate you for the presidency! They hate your ass!


Whatever. I said no.


Dude! Don't be like that. Yes is such an easy word to say. Say it.


Get a life, John. Don't contact me unless it's about legislation. Got it?


Look, I'll be honest. The CBS poll says you'll give me a 14-point boost if you join the team. I gotta have you. I can't take no for an answer.


No means no, John. No. No. No.


Hey, thanks, I appreciate it. I'll call a press conference for noon. Kerry-McCain 2004!


I'm getting a restraining order against you, you jowly bassett-hound-eyed freak!!!

Seven times. Has John Kerry lost his mind?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ucru/20040617/cm_ucru/thefailedseductionofjohnmccain&e=1&ncid=

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taxidriver Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:46 AM
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1. thanks for that post. I hope the whole McCain VP thing wont hurt Kerry
in the long run. it has made him look pretty bad, especially since the McCain/Bush appearance at Ft. Lewis yesterday. the way McCain was endorsing BUsh, it was almost like he was openly laughing at Kerry for trying to get him.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:47 AM
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2. I don't care what people here think about Rall. His opinion is what
I was afraid of when I read that it was "official" that Kerry had offered the VP to McCain and had been rejected repeatedly... with NO OFFICIAL denial from Kerry.
I will still vote for Kerry but the NO DENIAL on his side is what bugs the hell out of me.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:03 PM
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7. "Official?!?!" A RUMOR - Why does Kerry Campaign need to deny rumors?
John McCain is not in the running for VP.

McCain himself said he was never offered the VP spot.

John Kerry has publicly chastised staff members who don't know what they are talking about for leaking crazy stuff. (article in the last couple days on yahoonews; sorry don't have link)

I am not sure what you are looking for or why?!?!?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:51 AM
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3. Kerry Knows He Needs Everyone Who isn't Hard-Core Fundie
to win. Because of Diebold and Bush's Electoral College advantage.

Desperate Times, Desperate Measures....
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 03:57 PM
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13. yet he continues to alienate the left
which gives Nader an entree where he didn't need to be.

Of course , Nader did warn unless Dean was nominated , he would run.
I guess he's a man of his word. But you were not listening.



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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 07:46 PM
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15. Nader is Forcing Kerry to the Right
The left is lost to Kerry because of Nader.
Kerry has to seek votes elsewhere.

It sucks, but what else can he do,
when the Democratic 'base' deserts the Democrats at the drop of a hat.
The Left abandons us for Nader.

Catholics are being ordered by their clergy to abandon us over
abortion and gay rights.

Jewish voters are lured away by Bush*'s uncritical support for Sharon and his policies
(which seem to have more support here than in Israel).

The Republicans have a large base that always votes, and alwasys votes for them.

Nearly all of our support is tentative and very much conditional.

We Democrats have no base anymore.

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:53 AM
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4. hasn't Kerry raised a fantastic amt of money, etc etc etc?
Edited on Sat Jun-19-04 11:54 AM by emulatorloo
Why is Ted Rail still whining about McCain? It didn't happen, it never was going to happen.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:55 AM
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5. Agreed. A better question might be...
why are DUers still complaining about McCain?

And, yes, Kerry has raised tons of cash. $100 million in just a few months.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 11:58 AM
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6. Did you notice that he claims to have coined the phrase "Anybody But Bush"
Yeah, sure he did.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:04 PM
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8. the courting of John McCain was an illusion
But it was played out in the press as a serious matter, Kerry never really pursued McCain as VP heavily, but the whole process showed bi partisanship on Kerry's behalf, which helps him.
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Air II Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:22 PM
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10. AOL poll,over 1/2 million votes
If the election were held today, who would you vote for?

51% George W. Bush

41% John Kerry

05% I don't know

03% Ralph Nader

Total Votes: 574,372


http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/elections/article.adp?id=20040614111109990005

Of course it's unscientific.Afterall,
how many of these people will actually go to the polls in November ?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:27 PM
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12. Not worth the bandwidth it's printed on
Not only is it unscientific, the little poll below it shows 52% of people responding identifying themselves as conservative, 31% as liberal. That says something about the sample.
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:24 PM
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11. We agree!
Let's say that the courting of McCain pissed off a few Democrats. Have you heard more than one or two of those say, "I WON'T vote for Kerry if he does"? Of course not. But how many swingers liked the concept? It was a nice "let's all come together and unite" gesture, but nothing more than a well-timed leak.

Now, McCain stumping for Bush? THAT pissed me off. Some friend!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 12:10 PM
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9. There is no proof that Kerry ever asked McCain to be his VP.
This is a all Rovian fairytale spun by the media quoting someone called "unnamed sources", another called "one person", and another called "people", etc. in order to try to make Kerry look bad.

WASHINGTON, June 11
Snip------
Aides to Mr. McCain did not return repeated phone calls on Friday; his chief of staff, Mark Salter, told the Associated Press, which first reported the discussions, that "Senator McCain categorically states that he has not been offered the vice presidency by anyone."

Less than a month ago, Mr. McCain denied having even casual discussions with Mr. Kerry on the subject.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/12/politics/campaign/12MCCA.html?8br

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 05:04 PM
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14. Everyone knows McCain would not be chosen as VP...
that is what is so beautiful about the scam. It keeps coming up, and it keeps bush out of the loop. It forces the bushies to counter, and every time they open their mouths, especially bush, they dig another 3 feet of grave for themselves....I think the whole thing of McCain is silly...and why anyone ever took it seriously is beyond me...:)
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