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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:37 AM
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Obama's Flaws Multiply
Democrats have been worrying about defending Mr. Obama's highly liberal voting record in a general election. Now they need to fret that he makes too many mistakes, from ignoring the Rev. Wright time bomb until the videotapes blew up in front of him, to his careless condescension towards salt-of-the-earth Democrats. Mr. Obama has a tendency to make such cultural miscues. Speaking to small-town voters in Iowa last year, he asked, "Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula?"

For all his winning ways and natural appeal to the camera, Mr. Obama hasn't really been tested in a major campaign. In 2000, then-state Sen. Obama challenged Congressman Bobby Rush, who was vulnerable after having been crushed in a bid to become mayor of Chicago. Mr. Rush, a former Black Panther, painted Mr. Obama as "inauthentic" and beat him 2-1

Mr. Obama has prospered in Democratic primaries. But as John Harris and Jim VandeHei note in Politico.com, that's in part because these primaries have "been an exercise in self-censorship" about Mr. Obama's weaknesses. It is "indisputably true," they write, that "Obama is on the brink of the Democratic nomination without having had to confront head-on the evidence about his general election challenges." But Mr. Obama has shown weakness with key Democratic constituencies. He's had to fend off concerns about his Middle East policies with Jewish voters; he's also won only a third of Hispanic primary voters.

But isn't it Barack Obama who has been spending months stirring up "anti-trade sentiment?" He has threatened to yank the U.S. out of the North American Free Trade Agreement unless Canada and Mexico renegotiate it. Last week, he denounced the Colombia Free Trade Agreement. According to Canadian diplomats, top Obama economic adviser Austan Goolsbee admitted to them that they could dismiss his man's anti-Nafta rhetoric. All of this makes Democrats wonder if Mr. Obama is ready for prime time.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120821921853714665.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:39 AM
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1. AGAIN? Here's some math: Clinton takes away from the party, divides it, her lies don't add up
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:02 AM
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17. Obama's arrogance hasn't even been addressed yet!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:43 AM
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32. That
is just one of the way they will undermine, attack and destroy his candidacy. Or try to.

Out-of-touch, unAmerican, unpatriotic, weak on safety and defence, surrounded by extremists zealots angry "black" people. That is where the GOP will focus its full energy. We will hear about keeping america safe, and enemies and enemies within, and all manner of garbage and tripe. We haven't heard too much (yet) about his "asociations" with Farrakhan, his "anti-semitism", his consorting with "terrorists". But we will. Obama will be turned into a "foreigner" in front of our eyes.

Get ready to work damn hard to fend off another republican presidency.



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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:55 AM
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42. Thank you for your sane post..
you're like an oasis in a desert of carnivorous bipeds.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:23 AM
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44. Not such a sane post.
Sure, they'll throw all kinds of bullshit at Obama, and he'll talk about every bit of it, just as we should have been talking about these things in this country for the past 30 years. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, is one of them - a corporate player who they love to throw mud at, but who they would much rather have in place as a keeper of the Old Politics.

Bring it on, I say, the talk about elitism, Farrahkan, Wright - every one of these issues is a perfect opportunity for dialog in which Obama will gladly and masterfully engage. If people hear such a dialog and still vote for McCain, then we truly deserve the result. But we ought at least to have the chance for a real choice.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:28 AM
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45. You may be right
You may be wrong.
(Obama is of course a supreme corporate player so don't get carried away there.)
And NONE of us deserve four years of McCain. Not even the average GOP voter.

Meanwhile:

Uppity women
Uppity blacks
Uppity people
Uppity and unite against the GOP
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:31 AM
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55. You have a lot of GD nerve calling Obama arrogant.
Anyone else would've been out of the race by now, now Queen Hillary!

Oh, no! Not Miss All-the-Votes-Must-be-Counted-but-I'll-Break-My-Pledge.

She's a She-Devil!
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:51 PM
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67. "She-devil?" What the fuck is that?
That's the second or third time I've seen her called that (incredibly stupid) name. What the fuck is it?

"She's a she-devil, I tells ya! Run for your lives!!"

Why don't you just go ahead and call her a c**t? That's what you're dying to do, isn't it?

Bake
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:40 AM
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2. The stupidity of Hillary's campaign
She says Obama is unelectable.

She is getting beat by Obama.

So she says we should support her
because she is the stronger candidate.



Young Hillary in PA.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:05 AM
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18. The RWers are hoping Obama is the nominee
which will facilitate another WIN for them..

They sit with baited breath waiting and hoping..
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:00 AM
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34. Are you posting from the home office in Arlington, VA?
BTW Super Delegates

72 for Obama
-1 for Hillary

since early march .... hmmm nice trend don't you think?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:20 AM
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43. I do think you are right about that
.
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:26 AM
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54. Baited breath?
Is that, like, fishy smelling? :rofl:




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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:41 AM
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3. From the Wall Street Journal.....
.... A paper with an Editorial/Opinion department that isn't at all right-wing and Neocon-biased.

:eyes:

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:00 PM
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57. Didn't Rupert Murdoch buy the Journal?


:rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:42 AM
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:42 AM
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5. so, we now quote conservative opinion pieces from the Wall Street Journal as if they were news?
you could at least be honest about it.

OPINION
Obama's Flaws Multiply
By JOHN FUND
April 15, 2008; Page A19

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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:49 AM
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11. they don't get any slimier..he must be part of Hillary's new Vast Right Wing Coalition
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:08 AM
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20. Is there anything in the piece that is false?
If so, here's your chance to defend rather than attack the messenger and the OP..

Be my guest!
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:37 AM
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36. A couple of things are false
First and foremost, for you to post unattributed text, even with a link, is an exercise in falseness.
You should provide title and source and author, which you didn't.

When people post right wing sources to slam other candidates, I doubt their progressive credentials, so yes, I am criticizing you as the messenger, and you deserve to be criticized. Your failure to attribute your source is deception, of course.

The basic falsehood is the title of the piece. These are old criticisms already answered. Obama's flaws do not multiply, this author is merely piling old news items together.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:43 AM
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6. The Wall Street Journal hmmmm!
what would you expect from the WSJ
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:45 AM
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8. and who owns the wall street journal?
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:55 AM
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15. Oh, That's Rich
An 'analysis' by John Fund no less.

The merger of old Hill with the radical right proceeds.

Murdoch, Scaife, John Fund ... what's next?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:10 AM
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21. yes!
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:40 AM
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37. Who cares about the WSJ? The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette just endorsed Obama!
Barack Obama: Democrats deserve a nominee for change
Wednesday, April 16, 2008
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
On Tuesday, Pennsylvanians will have the unusual luxury of voting in a Democratic presidential primary that promises to be truly relevant. Like two opposing armies marching to a new Gettysburg, the forces of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton come to this latest battlefield symbolizing two views of America -- one of the past, one of the future. Pennsylvania Democrats need to rise to the historic moment. For us it is the candidates' vision and character that loom as the decisive factors in this race. •

This editorial began by observing that one candidate is of the past and one of the future. The litany of criticisms heaped on Sen. Obama by the Clinton camp, simultaneously doing the work of the Republicans, is as illustrative as anything of which one is which. These are the cynical responses of the old politics to the new.

Sen. Obama has captured much of the nation's imagination for a reason. He offers real change, a vision of an America that can move past not only racial tensions but also the political partisanship that has so bedeviled it.


To be sure, Sen. Clinton carries the aspirations of women in particular, but even in this she is something of a throwback, a woman whose identity and public position are indelibly linked to her husband, her own considerable talents notwithstanding. It does not help that the Clinton brand is seen by many in the country as suspect and shifty, bearing the grimy stamp of political calculation counting as much as principle.

Pennsylvania -- this encrusted, change-averse commonwealth where a state liquor monopoly holds on against all reason and where municipal fiefdoms shrink from sensible consolidation -- needs to take a strong look at the new face and the new hope in this race. Because political business-as-usual is more likely to bring the usual disappointment for the Democrats this fall, the Post-Gazette endorses the nomination of Barack Obama, who has brought an excitement and an electricity to American politics not seen since the days of John F. Kennedy.

First published on April 16, 2008 at 12:00 am
EmailPrint
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:43 AM
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7. They multiply because MSM is spending more time looking for Obama's flaws
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 07:45 AM by screembloodymurder
than Bush spent looking for Osama Bin Laden. I've never seen such organized nonsense.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:47 AM
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9. To be honest...
before the "bitter" gaffe... I saw them as equally viable winners.

At this point I think the party has a REAL problem if Mr. Obama is the nominee.

Still praying for a Clinton/Obama ticket. Cuz I really do believe that Bill could help Barack... by spinning "bittergate" to his benefit in the south. To be honest... I don't know another Democrat who can schmooze them. Maybe Edwards? As VP? But I think that's a longshot.

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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:48 AM
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10. tellurian countdown: 3...2...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:11 AM
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22. Yes, keep burying your head in the sand..
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 08:11 AM by Tellurian
If there is anything untrue or misrepsented in the OP please state what it is and debunk it..

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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:50 AM
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12. thanks for affirming my decision.......
to loathe the candidate clinton (same as George and Dick and Bill) and support Obama. Right back at ya dude, btw I always follow the WSJ...they are a bastion for us Dem's!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:12 AM
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23. And you pretend to promote COEXISTENCE?
:rofl:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:51 AM
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13. When did DU start looking to the Wall St Journal for guidance?
:wtf:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:16 AM
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26. If the article is untrue...debunk it..
The WSJ has a very large circulation. It might be a good idea to prepare a defense for your candidate, if in fact you are sure he is the presumptive nominee..That is Battle Strategy 101.. just in case the Republicans are at home twiddling their thumbs..

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:22 AM
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27. It's an opinion piece, an editorial
It's not a factual reporting of the news. So I will ask once again, when did DU start looking to the Wall Street Journal for guidance?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:32 AM
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30. I guess about the same time BO supporters post articles from Judicial Watch
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:58 PM
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65. Tellurian, do us several favors:
1. Admit you are a Republican operative. No die hard Democrat could post so many conservative oped pieces in a Democratic website as you had.
2. Join Free Republic. I'm sure your posts will be welcome there.
3. Wake up and smell the coffee. "Your girl" is losing, big time in the words of Obama's cousin Dick Cheney. Just admit it please!
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:52 AM
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14. Yes, but what about tax cuts for the rich?
Every Wall Street Journal contains some argument for them.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:56 AM
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16. Irrespective of the source
This provides a good summing up of how the GOP see Obama's vulnerabilities in the GE. It's not totally a hit piece. In fact from a dem standpoint it lists a set of reasons why Obama is a strong candidate from the perspective of his stances on issues.(That is not Fund's point of course.)

It also contains a nasty slice at Hillary which should thrill some Obama supporters to the core.

But the truth is that when they call Obama a "rookie" when it comes to the scalding of a general election - they are right on target.

Like him, love him or loathe him - he will be as a see creature without its protective shell in the fall should he be the nominee.

Look ahead to working damn hard folks.



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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:23 AM
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28. Finally, someone gets it..
Obama supporters should be working overtime preparing, getting their candidate in shape. The crowd participating on this thread have been a pleasure to talk to. Absent the usual distractions of the Clinton ravings from the maniacal zealots obsessed with them at least give normal people a chance to think.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:35 AM
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31. I am apalled at the blindness
...of those who think that because they love Obama everyone else will too.
First they can't accept that democrats of good will reach other conclusions. Then the simple mindedness of believing in his easy ascendancy.

Crikey - McCain is a vulnerable candidate too. And Bush deeply unpopular. But all the stops will be pulled to prevent a democrat reaching the WH. And those who think the Obamas are not in for being excoriated and "exposed" are in for a big shock.

They rant at Hillary. She is doing him a BIG favor right now. Obama has incredible vulnerabilities in the GE.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:06 AM
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19. what? they did`t pick up wsj john fund`s garbage?
i thought the guys came by yesterday and picked it up...oh well another day of fund`s garbage at democratic underground
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:13 AM
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24. Kick for Truth
Thanks for posting.

:kick:
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:46 AM
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33. Name one truth in this piece. I will refute it.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:15 AM
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25. When did DU start complaining that a Democrat is too liberal?
:wtf:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:24 AM
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29. Can't get too liberal for me
"The left is the best, get here and we'll do the rest"
-Not quite Jim Morrison.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:45 AM
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39. When DU became ObamacratUnderground and rejected the more progressive candidate?
Mighta been about then.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:36 AM
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35. Isn't it obvious just how much the Repub's want Hillary to win??????? Sure as H is!!!!!!!!!
:applause: :applause: :applause:
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:43 AM
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38. Wall Street Journal? For the love of god, is there no RW news source you guys
won't drag out of the sewer?
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:49 AM
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40. Please wake me when you find a candidate without flaws
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:50 AM
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41. interesting article. thanks!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:29 AM
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46. The Clinton/McCain crowd LOVES them some Drudgico.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:45 AM
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47. "Goolsbee admitted to them that they could dismiss his man's anti-Nafta rhetoric"
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:50 AM
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48. "Black Panther" ... "Jewish voters" ... "Hispanic primary voters" ... "cultural miscues"
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:09 AM
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49. Debunk.?..or slunk...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:36 AM
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56. No need to debunk blatant racism n/t
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:22 AM
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50. They've always been there. It's not the multipication it's the cumulative effect.
His rowboat is slipping under the water one pebble at a time.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:24 AM
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51. I thought I asked you to stop attacking our nominee Barack Obama. n/t
n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:24 AM
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52. Tellurian quoting RW sources? There's a shock.
Obama thanks you for all the help you've given him here on DU. :thumbsup:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:24 AM
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53. You're relying on the analysis of John Fund now?
I think your political compass needs some maintainance work
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:02 PM
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58. Sniper fire coming out of your ass
When is Hillary 44 going to go offline? Before she drops out or a month or so later?

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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:03 PM
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59. Well he has yet to catch up to Hilliary. eom
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:06 PM
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60. lol
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:10 PM
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61. that's addition, not multiplication.
You clinton supporters really ARE bad at math.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:22 PM
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62. ya know, by the time Clinton and Obama supporters get through trashing . . .
each other's candidate, we'll have nothing to look forward to except a John McCain presidency . . . in this forum in particular it's gone W-A-A-A-Y beyond politics to a level of personal destruction that rivals the worst of the Republican swift-boating tactics . . . how anyone expects the eventual nominee to survive this pissing contest and win the general election is beyond me . . .
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:25 PM
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63. Those seven days on DU after Sen. Obama is declared our nominee are going to be so sweet... n/t.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:53 PM
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64. I have to give Tellurian credit for being persistent.
Wrong, but persistent.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:01 PM
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66. The Wall Street Journal is really looking out for the best interests of the Democrats
:sarcasm:
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