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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:08 AM
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Hillary's "Dukakis in a Tank" Moment
Today the news appears to be that Hillary's last gamble to destroy Obama has failed.

Polls and pundits are indicating that the greater damage from the "bitter" controversy may be to Clinton.

Why?

In her efforts to exploit what she interpreted as an Obama gaff, she went too far.

Once again a picture is worth a thousand words.

The whiskey sipping/slugging photos of Clinton are becoming pervasive on the internet, on television ... this incident is being talked about everywhere when presidential politics is the topic.

These photographs may turn out to be Hillary's "Dukakis in a tank" moment.

A photo opportunity that gave voters a permanent visual image to Hillary being phony and pandering.

I now think she will lose Pennsylvania.





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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:09 AM
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1. This will not be a factor even remotely
There are too many real, serious issues for the voters to worry about.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:11 AM
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6. Tell you candidate that. She may want to start focusing on the issues! nt
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:14 AM
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8. Drip, drip, drip....
it's part of a pattern. By itself it would mean little but with the constant blunders by hillary and her camapign it has cumulative effect.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:35 AM
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18. Like 'bittergate' and your candidate making an ENTIRE FUCKING AD on the subject? Those sorts
of 'important issues'?
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:59 AM
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29. If that's true, then why does Hillary keep hammering this meaningless "elitist" meme?
Sounds like she's the one who needs to be focusing on real issues - you know, like the ones Obama was touching on when he made the "bitter" comments in the first place.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:56 AM
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33. Uh huh, sure. Just like the Dukakis picture wasn't a factor. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. n/t
:eyes:
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DaveT Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:42 PM
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40. And they say that irony is dead . . . n/t
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CTD Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:45 PM
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41. I'm sure the irony of your posts escapes you.
It's not Obama that's focused on non-issues.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:49 PM
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44. I agree. It's worth a giggle or two, but in the big picture, it will only last
until the next "gotcha!" moment.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:19 PM
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64. Oh, like "bittergate"? Yeah,
you hilary supporters are all about hypocricy or you wouldn't be supporting the lying hypocrite.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:10 AM
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2. She looks like one of the contestant on Fear Factor about to down some awful concoction...
..in order to win a prize...
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:10 AM
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3. "GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO....YEEEAAAAAA!!!!"
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:36 PM
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38. chug * chug * chug
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:55 PM
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56. I'm waiting for a keg stand. LOL
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:10 AM
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4. actually, I like her more for it... and she didnt sip it, nurse it, or fake it. She took the shot.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:14 AM
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11. Yeah, after caving to PEER PRESSURE.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:15 AM
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13. yeah, that's what we need
a president who can slam back shots (isn't that what we've had for the last 7 1/2 years).......do you really want her answering the phone at 3:00 am after a night out with the boys?
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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:44 AM
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23. Why not? From 92-2000 we had a President whose brother said could snort coke like a vacumn cleaner.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:20 AM
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15. Sorry to burst your bubble
But she sipped the shot twice before downing the rest.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5k16Aka0Rgg&feature=related
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:46 AM
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25. Watch the video. She lamely sipped the whiskey twice before "downing the shot"
Hell, my former Army buddies and I (all girls! :evilgrin:) can down real (Jack Daniels) not fancy-pants French Canadian (Crown Royal) whiskey in ONE GULP.

Sipping is a gutless way to take a shot ... she's not a part of the blue collar bar culture and it shows. :eyes:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:19 AM
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31. I know she sipped it first, then took the shot, but she took the shot... and comparing her to your
Army buddies is ridiculous.


And it's much better than Kerry and the 3 tiny sips of beer he took off a pint in his one "bar" appearance.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:55 AM
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32. She took 2 sips, watch the video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5k16Aka0Rgg&feature=related

And also re-read your post that we're responding to.
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:58 PM
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50. Why is comparing her to Short & Fiery's Army buddies ridiculous?
Hillary had to run with her head down to avoid sniper fire.

I mean, it's not as if Hillary has absolutely no military experience or anything, right?
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:50 PM
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48. She isn't part of the bar culture?
So what?

This new evolution of voting for the guy/gal you'd like to have a beer with is going to get really stupid. I hope it ends with this primary season and is never seen again.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:48 AM
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26. A shot of Crown Royal...that is.
How plebeian of her. :sarcasm:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:38 PM
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39. Same here.
If she didn't, there'd be some people here who would fault her for being some sort of sanctimonious prig.

She downed a shot of whiskey. Hell, I've done that from time to time. Good for her.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:10 AM
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5. I wonder if that guy on the left is a staff member?
The look on his face says, "Um ... maybe this isn't a good idea."

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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:12 AM
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7. Even as an Obama supporter, I have to say that's a cheap shot
Personally, I don't think this is really a big deal in and of itself.

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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:35 AM
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19. pun intended?
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:39 AM
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20. I saw that after I posted it
No pun intended! I firmly believe in capital punishment for deliberate puns.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:14 AM
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9. I don't believe this is pandering.
She clearly knows how to get her drink on. You can't fake being a good drinker... that big fat shot of whiskey would come right back up in a flash.

I think what's more concerning is what Jon Stewart said last night... Do we really want a President that gives into PEER PRESSURE?!

Someone said, "how bout a shot of whiskey?" She said, "no". The crowd makes a few grumbly comments and suddenly she wants to bust out the crown royal. So desperate to be liked... it's sad.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:14 AM
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10. The current President can't handle the sauce.
This candidate can. Outside of the Daily Show, Colbert and the Internets, I'm not seeing much about this.

There are real reasons that are hurting both of them in PA. This ain't one of them.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:15 AM
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12. I predict great photoshops of that picture.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:16 AM
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14. Authenticity is key... Details here...
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:24 AM
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16. The guy in white shirt is absolutely into this. Was he a regular at the bar? nt
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:33 AM
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17. I believe he is the owner
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 10:33 AM by underpants
from the Yahoo captions on this.

Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., eyes her shot of Crown Royal with Bronko's owner Nick Tarailo, right, as she stops at the bar during a campaign stop at Bronko's restaurant in Crown Point, Ind., on Saturday, April 12, 2008.
(AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:15 PM
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37. Thanks. He looked like he belonged. nt
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:40 AM
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21. Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) have 2 million members nationally
I wonder how many were pissed off? on the other hand maybe she gained a few points with college frat guys?
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:05 PM
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53. This would be the other side of the same annoying coin
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 03:12 PM by MattBaggins
Pandering for the non existent "person I'd like to have a beer with" voter is stupid but so is the Nazi MADD tactics. I could care less if the Presidential nominee enjoys a shot of whiskey, a draft beer or a glass of wine. I don't care if they choose not to drink at all but this damned if you do damned if you don't is nonsense.

One thing I can't stand is going out to dinner with my family and getting snotty looks if I order a beer with my meal. How dare I drink in front of my kids. You know who I have to thank for that? The idiot extremists with MADD mentalities. It was stupid pandering but Hillary can have a drink without the jerks in MADD screaming about "the children". Before you think I am some 12 pack a day drunk; I drink less than 6 beers a month.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:58 PM
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54. I don't think she was driving ...
So MADD shouldn't have a problem with it.

Bake
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:41 AM
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22. Seriously. What is with the foam on the 'whiskey'?!


fucking faker.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:45 AM
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24. Good question - I'd love to see a closeup
Either it's a line on the glass, or she's doing a beer shot.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:49 AM
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27. hm. could be a line i guess...
well, whiskey or not, she is a fucking faker!

:hi:
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budedis Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:16 AM
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30. It looks like a glass of vinegar.
And that would explain the pucker.

Yes, it was a Dukakis moment. I hope she doesn't go hunting.
Barack had his moment on bowling night.

And W would have one if that swaggering, rootin', tootin' Yale cowboy wasn't afraid to get on a horse.
But there is that grainy video of him falling off of a Segway and he always has his own tongue to embarrass himself with.

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:48 PM
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43. Look at the color
You can see the difference in color between the shot and the beer in the glass behind her. I don't think she's drinking beer.



What the average out-of-work factory guy -- bitter or not -- drinks.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:50 AM
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28. I swear that first picture with one eye crossed
she looks like a contestant on Fear Factor being made to swallow jellyfish balls raw or something
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:12 PM
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34. This is
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 12:12 PM by rniel
just like the John Kerry windsurfing photo.
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:17 PM
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35. Good thing for her the Cannabis March in Philly is after the primary
I can't imagine what she might do there to win votes.

http://phillynorml.org/forum/index.php?topic=380.0
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:15 PM
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62. Three words
Tampon wrapper spliff. :smoke:
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:31 PM
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36. My mom, a Hillary supporter, reacted *very* negatively to this. VERY.
After sniper-gate and this, I think I almost have her converted to Obama.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:47 PM
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42. Where's the funnel?
Isn't that what they use to down the stuff really fast?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:18 PM
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45. Nah. She's not wearing a funny hat.
This won't have much effect either way. It actually makes me like her better, a little, though Crown Royal is a weird choice for shots, and shots are a weird choice for a bar photo op. She'd have been better off with a draft beer, or maybe a little Jack and ginger.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:23 PM
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46. She is totally out of place in these pic's...
very close to a Dukakis moment..
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:29 PM
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47. Hillary getting tanked = Dukakis in a tank - nt
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:56 PM
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49. What's next? A beer bong?
When and why did she even learn to do shots?

What is with doing shots anyway? Just to keep up with the ole boys? Seen too many films noir? I don't think people over 22 years old do that many shots. You get something good, you just drink it and enjoy it. Shots.




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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:58 PM
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51. While we have her on a short leash, someone needs to make her eat a bug. Know any superdelegates who
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 02:59 PM by Stop Cornyn
would go along with our "make Hillary eat a bug" plan?
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:01 PM
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52. yup
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:51 PM
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55. Can someone remind me of the Dukakis moment?
I hate to be dating myself here, but I think I was only 9 during that election. LOL
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:58 PM
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57. Riding around in a tank with his head sticking out & wearing a big helmet & grinning
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 04:58 PM by A-Schwarzenegger
like Alfred E. Neuman.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:01 PM
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58. Oh lord. lol I'm sorry I missed that moment in American politics.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:00 PM
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61. I thought he looked more like rocky squirrel
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 06:00 PM by depakid


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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:17 PM
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59. "Hillary tastes bitter defeat."
:rofl:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:20 PM
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60. Nah. Not unless she was doing body shots.
It was a pose, but driving a tank is a skill. Anyone can get hammered.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:16 PM
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63. Keep dreaming
You can find a photo of nearly every man who has ever run for president doing the same photo op.

:rofl:
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