Let's keep some focus here, folks: KERRY is going to be the President

I read so much drivel here about why selecting Clark is so vital to Kerry's chances that I just wanna :puke: ! In the first place, the American public at large isn't going to give a rat's ass whether the VP candidate has ANY foreign-policy experience or not, and in the second place, it's vaguely condescending to assume that Sen. Kerry needs 'help' in this regard at ALL. Kerry isn't going to drop dead the day after he's sworn in, so whoever is chosen as VP will have plenty of time to learn, and every single person mentioned as a possibility is more than capable of learning what they'll need to know, not to mention the fact that Kerry will have his FP team in place to help out should, God forbid, something happen to Kerry.

What Kerry needs in a VP is someone he can trust, someone who can help excite the voters about a Kerry presidency and get him elected, and who can help out the 'down ticket' folks running for the House and Senate, etc. .

:shrug:

Clark, though not my first choice for VP, might be able to mobilize the military if Bush steals. So Clark would be a good choice.

What do you invision? a coup? I think it most unlikely the military would support anyone other than the "commander in chief," no matter how badly they are getting screwed..

Are you kidding....the military is jumping ship from GWB so fast it's hard to keep up with (the last General being Zinni).
Also, we have learned from armymom (a friend to many here) who has a son in Iraq, that the military is very aware on how they are getting screwed and they don't want him re-elected.....they want to come home. Every other critical opinion piece I read is from Vets (don't forget there are 25 million Vets out there, many who Bush is screwing with their health care too).

Retired generals can say whatever they want.. they're not up for promotion.

If you want to see the core beliefs of the military in action, watch the dimbulbs-in-uniform regularly appearing on Faux, CNN and in your local newspapers.. they either buy the bullshit, have no choice but to buy it or were forced into the military because there were no jobs..

Sure, there are lots of dissidents, and my heart goes out to them (and my deep respects to armymom). 35 years ago, My mom was in the same boat.

Bottom line is this: the military vote is just to easy to manipulate and control. If you're not going to vote Republican, you won't be counted..

agree with your post

Just wanted to shift emphasis to IS

Good emphasis!

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Then you should have no problem understanding why some folks are so sick they could :puke: over hearing all the reasons that "guy with the perfect hair" should be chosen...none of which include his voting record for some unknown reason. :shrug:

Kerry will choose who Kerry will choose. We can speculate till the cows come home and it won't make a whit of difference.

That's the 'guy with the perfect hair', right? Yeah, I can understand why, and agree--- Kerry will pick who Kerry will pick.

should be fine, but I wouldn't be so sure about Kerry becoming president. Even if he wins. Gore won. In 2000 Bush didn't have Diebold helping him out either, remember the quote from the Diebold president:"We can't wait to get our machines out there to help the president get re-elected." Of course if the voting scam doesn't work there's always Martial Law. This administration has proven that they will do whatever it takes to get what they want. Lots of dead people around to prove that....

I agree with lets keep some focus John Kerry is going to be President is correct, but attacking why people want Clark to be VP is distracting to your very question (it is more appropriate with a different thread or different title to your thread).
You may feel that the American public don't give a rat's ass if the VP has foreign policy experience, but the polls show differently. Iraq is people's number one issue in the polls. and if you ask people who are serving or who have loved ones serving they will most definitely disagree with your opinion.
I agree with let's focus on GETTING john Kerry elected, but your headline suggests a different topic would be approached.

I remember when we were all so excited to have such an intelligent and dynamic set of candidates to choose from. What's happened since then is disgusting. All through the primaries we all knew and said repeatedly it was a fight UNTIL the nominee was chosen. All the arguing and political maneuvering about candidates was guaranteed to be OVER once the nominee was chosen. The nominee has been chosen, when will people stop the ridiculous primary rhetoric? They were all great last September and they're all great now. Kerry is the nominee, he'll choose his VP based on HIS information and HIS needs. Why can't we just get together and elect a President?

There are more firefights over VP than there were over the choosing of the actual nominee.

But hey...I just couldn't resist the "hair" thing LOL. :headbang:

I could find 101 negative things to say about any VP candidate. I don't. It's destructive and has caused more harm in more areas than you can possibly imagine. There isn't one board, one email list, not evey my own little town, that isn't having sour grapes candidate arguments and VP bullshit. Time to just knock this shit off and focus on the prize. November 2, the White House. I'd really like to change my sig line, but until some of this fighting stops, we are doomed.

have perfect hair??

Gasp...I'm crushed!!

Lighten up a bit. :spank:

Ulcers are ugly creatures...they come out at night while no one is looking...they creep amongst us leaving nothing but rolaids wrappers to mark their paths.

LOL.

I've seen the destruction in so many places, I've seen how Bushies and Naderites are both using VP fights to divide Democrats even more. It isn't funny, it's gone way beyond funny. Wise up, we're very near to having divisions that are too wide to overcome.

my interest in seeing that man run for pres. when his time comes. Clark missed his turn this time around but will gain enough experience to run things in 8 years.

but I don't think this is the proper place to have this discussion. The title suggest this is where we are to talk about "keeping focused on Kerry". attacking Clark supporters (who are JOHN KERRY SUPPORTERS) is not focusing on Kerry being the next President.

the VP doesn't automatically because president in eight years.

As John Nance Garner said the Vp is not worth a bucket of warm piss. And he won twice. Keep that in mind.

ends up being whatever the POTUS determines it should be...except in the current administration...there the VP determined what it would be...and that is PRESIDENT BEHIND THE CURTAIN! :hurts:

And don't you forget it.

:shrug: :shrug:

I was making the point that the POTUS determines what roll the VP will play. Gore played a bigger role than many past VP's.

In the case of "the twig" he is Cheney's stick puppet. Cheney is the "power behind the throne".

Kerry's VP will no doubt be tasked with matters of some importance due to the fact that we are in such a bleeping mess in the world.

Kerry already has foreign policy/relations experience, so Clark having it won't bring any votes to Kerry. And that's the name of the game....votes.

I'd be delighted with Clark, but I don't think Kerry is going to go for either Edwards or Clark. Too obvious.

The theme of this election. With Bushco it will be "Don't change leaders in the middle of 2 wars; let us finish the job".

Kerry must counteract that notion that Bush should be provided with the opportunity to finish this job.

Bush, in a rare press conference, admitted that his election is tied to success in Iraq and the War on Terror. The Economy is being talked up and will be in perfect position for Bushco right around September/October.

Sooooo Although John Kerry has got experience in the Foreign policy/National Security area.....he will not be able to neutralize, on his own, the incumbent's image as the one in charge right now. The thought of a transition during these critical time will frightened many voters to choose Bush...unless Kerry can come out swinging with a definite plan on keeping Americans safe and resolving much of the world's distrust of America.

Kerry will need a theme for his campaign....and it won't be "the economy stupid".......

It will be "it's your war, Stupid".

A 4 star on the ticket will provide the launch of such a theme.

Many can think the issue will be something else....but thinking it will, won't make it so.

Until voters feel safe, they will not be optimistic. So we need a ticket that makes voters feel safe and reassured....not a populist ticket...wrong time and wrong place for that.

Ron Brownstein said on CNN today....Kerry doesn't need to be electrifying and energizing (what some VP might offer the ticket)....he needs to be reassuring. He needs to give voters a sense that he will keep them safe and will not mishandle a presidential transition. When voters feel safe, they will listen to other proposals on policies that John Kerry wants to offer. That's what a Kerry/Clark ticket would do.

That's my .02 cents on how Kerry will win the presidency.

undecided voters can actually believe, brings a lot more to the ticket than just foreign policy/national security credentials.

The mantra "Kerry is going to be President" may help you sleep better at night but it isn't going to help us win. The enemy is diabolical, ammoral and in control of popular media and somewhat in control of the military.

We didn't have the guts to drive a stake through the hearts of republicans we knew after Nixon (a don't kick em when they're down mentality). Now they're back, consolidating their wins and discounting their losses. They will not leave office willingly. They stole the vote 3 years ago. What makes you think we've got it made?

Make republicans uncomfortable at every turn. Confront them with their hypocrasy and disinginuity. They will only lose by "a thousand cuts" and it's up to us, and us alone, to make them turn against their party or (more likely) stay at home on election day. Once we win, IF WE WIN, we're going to have to rub their noses in it like the jews have done to the few remaining nazis or we'll be dealing with them and their spawn in another 20 years. There is no relaxing to be done!

Gyre

Clark greatly enhances the chance that the Democratic ticket will win in November (which is why they have done everything they can to keep him off the ticket). Edwards greatly diminishes the chance that the Democrats will win in November (which is why they are pushing so hard for the personal injury attorney to be on the ticket).

I know people that voted for Edwards in the primary. Once they found out more about him, they are very anti-Edwards (and this includes life-long Democrats). I'm sure that the Repubs have done the equivalent a focus group on Edwards and determined the same thing (or maybe not because the outcome is really is what you call a no-brainer).

It is a 'security' position, fercrippesake, in the event the President cannot perform his duties.

And I have read so much damn drivel here about why selecting Edwards s so vital to Kerry's chances that I just wanna :puke:.

And you are ever so wrong that Kerry doesn't need help in FP--in every poll out there, BUSH is leading in favoribility in the FP/Nat Sec area. And if you think moderates and indies are going to vote against the 'wartime Preznit & Vice Preznit' for Kerry/+Dude With No Foreign Policy experience, you can expect that we will lose.

Make no mistake about it: The issue of this election will be making people feel safe against terrorism. Democrats are going to vote democrat NO MATTER WHAT. Mods and Indies need a REASON, and Edwards 'sunshine' is no fucking substitute for feeling secure.

Too many tricks the admin can pull yet.