Any other FORMER Clinton supporters?

I have supported Clinton since I voted for him back in 1992. I supported him through the scandals and after he left the White House. When right wingers used the old "well Bill Clinton did...." defense for defending a repuke wrong doing, I went after them. When Hillary became NY's Senator I supported her as well. I was always telling people how Bill Clinton was the best President since either FDR or JFK. When Hillary announced her bid for President, I liked the idea but was afraid her strong negatives would make her unelectable (her very name fires up the right wing attack machine).


That was then, now after the way the two of them have behaved, since the beginning of the year, my opinion of them has drastically changed. I no longer support either of them. Frankly I dread the prospect that Hillary will some how become President and the repukes will get four more years of incidents to use to defend their repuke criminal politicans.

I doubt I will ever be supportive of these two again. So at least for me, these two have permantly tarnished their legacy.

Is there any other DUers that feel the same way?

so no

what he said differed from what was on record, basically lost all trust for him.

It is the only thing in my journal if you want to read what I posted about it in mid March.

how does ditching Obama over that lack of trust thing square with your sticking with Hillary despite her repeated lies?

but by that time there wasn't any other candidate in the race.

That is the shame of this primary.

Him for... whatever about Wright.

And her for lying about NAFTA, Bosnia, etc.?

Obama set himself as being above that, and he isn't. The disappointment is far greater.

It is also what makes him a more vulnerable candidate in the GE.

I missed that. I never heard him claim he wasn't a politician.

He set himself as being above using gutter tactics like saying McCain is better qualified than Hillary... or pointing out that she and Bill hosted Wright for spiritual reasons after that whole Monica incident... he's above using that kind of crap. But he's still a politician.

Anyway whatever. Your reasoning makes no sense to me but okay.

Telling that you want to discuss something with me NOW... but you didn't the day you posted that RACIST FLAMEBAIT.

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strong enough to vote for him on Super Tuesday and donate money (which I have never done before and will never do again)

I have ever heard of or encountered. It's interesting that you cite a disappointment factor. That you felt he had promised you to be better and above politics, but he failed to deliver on that promise. Do you feel that was a deliberate deception or do you feel that political realities required he adjust his position?

that is why I use his quote in my sig line.

The Wright excuse/defense was it for me. It is my only journal entry.


btw, there are more ex-Obama supporters, you just don't see them online much. Most will not tolerate the abuse.

I see it differently though. He was very reluctant to do so. He hestitated to do it. He seemed to reluctantly do what he needed to do, when the polls and the situation left him no choice. I feel that Wright was unfarely demonized, for political gains. This is a man who has a great body of work, helping others. He is one of the rare Christians that even supports the gay community. While I think he was a bit political and weasely in his first responses, I appreciate that he came clean. I was even more impressed that he didn't throw his old friend under the bus, for political gain. Most politicians would have lacked the principals to do that. They would have simply thrown their friend under the bus, so they could minimize any political damage.

it just looked like you listened to the minute and a half of Wright footage and decided that Obama was.... actually I am not sure what your problem was. You really should youtube and listen to a whole wright sermon not just the minute Hannity edition of Wights 30 year career.

How do you compare Clinton's honesty factor to Obama's in light of the "Sniper fire in Bosnia" fabrications?

party going out of her way to try and subvert this thread??

What's the topic today, Goldie??

Rezco
Wright?
Ayers?
Not a fighter?
Sexism?
Might be Christian, might not...
Extremist ties.....

Hey - Do they make you pay for your own Dunkin Donuts now that she's broke?

Does her campaign owe you or your family any money? Do you think you'll ever see any of it??

Are you REALLY going to vote for a deadbeat??


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but then she joined that hedge fund, so fuck 'er.

The original reason I didn't want Hillary to run for President was because I believed she would act as a lightning rod for Republican attacks.

Now she and Bill have given me a lot of reasons to dislike them.

THAT told me what I need to know about his regard for historic records and the dependence on ACCURACY. There's a reason why Clinton let GHWBush off the hook for all his many crimes of office that came up throughout the 90s - Clintons BELIEVE in the secrecy and privilege of closed government that protects the powerful elite.

They will work AGAINST other Democrats who side with open government accountable to the citizenry as they protect BushInc and the powerful.

But after seeing her tactics since South Carolina I became disgusted.

My story parallels yours. When my best friend said she was supporting Obama, my heart sank. How could anyone support anyone but Hill? After seeing visions of Karl Rove in her campaign tactics and seeing Bill Clinton turn into someone I've never seen before, I turned my attention to Obama and found exactly what I was looking for. No drama, steady, calm, assertive.

Bill was representative of a turning point for me with regard to politics in '92. I had always been liberal and dem leaning but he got me really active in politics. At the time he represented change and possibility and opportunity. By design or default I also supported Hillary although I'd be lying if I said I wasn't always somewhat wary of what appeared to be opportunism. But I never let it get to me especially in the face of all the republican attacks. Continued to defend Bill all through impeachement, etc. and especially during the 2000 election when I thought Gore purposefully distanced himself from Bill.

Was glad Hillary won her Senate seat since I thought she'd be a good Senator, even though running for a seat in a state you don't live in or haven't lived in is dubious to me. Didn't let it get to me though.

At the outset of this primary I didn't have anyone I felt strongly about. I thought by default it would be Hillary and that I would support her. Didn't buy Obama's "lets all get along" shtick and thought it wouldn't sell and would be a recipe for disaster.

But once Obama started winning and Clinton started flailing around, the degree, level and nature of her attacks on him completely turned me off and repulsed me and she sinks lower every day in my eyes. I will never support her and never vote for her under any circumstances.

I think not.

I support the nominee.

and I definately will not defend her or her husband

I was so proud of them and so sad at what Bush had done to our country. They were so positive and hopeful, inspiring. Clinton term was "salad days" for me and my family.

I tried to follow Wes Clark to support Hillary.

Micheal Moore sums up my reasons for supporting Obama now.

We felt so much hope after the Reagan/Bush years, and it was exciting to live in DC and feel the Democrats come back into power. I remember, early in the Clinton administration, my boyfriend-then fiance-then-husband and I used to talk about how we liked Hillary better than Bill and wished she could be president instead of him. Weird to think that, now. At the time, I perceived her as more of a true liberal and Bill as more of the DLC appeaser (NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, DoMA, welfare "reform," etc.) As the Clinton administration wore on, I started feeling very ambivalent about both of them. In the post-Clinton years, I was happy to see her elected Senator. That seemed like a good fit. But when she voted for the IWR, I was livid. I realized then that she would do anything she perceived helped cover her poltical ass, and screw convictions. For a few years, I remember feeling like Hillary was going to be shoved down our throats as our nominee by the insider Democratic powers that be. The prospect filled me with a sense of dread and depression. I knew that we could do better, I knew she was a horrible public speaker, and I knew no one would fire up the right wing in a year when they should be comatose. I resented the arrogance of people who said she WILL be the nominee and we'll say "We told you so." And then, seeing all the crap pulled by her and her campaign (aligning with McCain, Bosnia, the whining, the moving of the goal posts, the dismissing of states that didn't count, etc. etc. etc.), well, there are no words to express my disgust with her now.

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I feel exactly the same way you do. I never thought I would see the day that listening to Bill Clinton would turn me off and I WAS very mad at him after Monica-gate. I still supported him, even made excuses for him, but I was so disappointed in him.

But now, it's a different kind of disappointment. I felt for Hillary too and she has totally bamboozled me with some of her comments. It's very sad.

I can hardly stand to look at her its almost the same as looking at Bush. When they started talking up McCain and talking down another Dem that, was the beginning I was still with her at that point. I didn't really think that the comment about Jesse jackson was necessarily racist or not at the level that the media trIed to portray it as but, she has keeps it up because she is DESPERATE and she really thinks that somehow she is entitled, and that really bugs me.

Then she came up with this elitist and bitter garbage which I felt was ridiculous,I began to dislike her with a passion. The last debate really showed her DESPERATION and I have been thinking about whether to vote or not. I listen to the pundits and heads of the party say we will come together but I really believe that she will not bring people together..

Like I do when I see and hear Bush. The anger of knowing they are lying to me, and worse many people will believe it.

During the 90s I was a staunch promoter / defender - especially during impeachment. I screamed loudly to everyone that would listen what a travesty I thought it was (even though I had my own misgivings - especially the day he trotted the cabinet out to defend him). I actually cried from frustration on impeachment day because I felt like all those of us who had worked to elect him had just had all our hard work and votes overturned and were disenfranchised. I was sickened.

Bill Clinton and I share the same birthday. I sent him a card every year and used to joke to my friends on my b-day that I couldn't leave the phone that day because I was expecting The Big Dog to call and invite me for drinks to co-celebrate.

I'll clarify - I had LOTS of differences with his administration on policy - LOTS (domestic), but I thought he lent intangibles to the presidency that were a plus for Our Party. The impeachment fiasco was the beginning of the end...even though I defended him on the witch hunt, I felt like there came a point when he needed to suck it up like a man and TELL THE TRUTH for the good of Our Party and the country. When he didn't, he lost so much esteem and respect in my eyes. I couldn't care less about the morality of the sex stuff, I did wonder how he could be so fucking DUMB. I really felt like he sent us out to wander the wilderness for 12 yrs after that disaster.

Although I always liked and respected Hillary, she never had the same qualities of Bill and I always sensed the Goldwater Girl in her. I've met her, spoke briefly with her, she signed my copy of her book and I was thrilled.

I have ALWAYS hated their triangulation strategies (see policy differences above).

Since he left office, my estimation of them has gone down, down, down in just about every way.

THE WAR VOTE is a deal killer. Backstabbing a fellow Dem (Kerry) so publicly, along with many other Dems they have undermined along the way.

This godforsaken primary season was the coup de grace. I am finished with them, they are poison to Our Party.
We cannot be rid of them (and their entire cast of characters) soon enough.

Less than 4 years later, I saw through him and neo-libs in general.

I still defend them both when it's warranted.

I worked on both Clinton presidentials and attended the inaugurations. I never supported Hillary in this primary, because of her IWR vote, and with her "security umbrella" that promises "massive retaliation" for almost the entire Middle East, if attacked, and her betrayal of her generation with McCarthyite tactics, I was right not to support her. No matter what, both Clintons are dead to me now.

Even though I abhor war, I think Bill did a pretty good job in Kosovo. He also recognized the importance of balancing the budget, which was a big contributor to our prosperity in the '90s. He was/is an eloquent and thoughtful speaker, too. You didn't have to cringe when he was in a press conference (unlike the current occupant, who is a huge embarrassment). Hillary? Meh. Too whiny, condescending, trivial for my taste. She gives the appearance of a good speaker when she's been programmed properly, but I'm not impressed with her being able to think on her feet.

Just MHO.

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