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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:14 PM
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If Obama squeaks a win in PA, will Clinton thank her volunteers and congratulate Obama?
She hasn't done so, anywhere she's lost.

This is extremely bad form...

Why aren't people leaving her camp in DROVES?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:15 PM
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1. Because hicks are racist.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:18 PM
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4. How many times are you going to spam the board with that dreck?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:24 PM
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10. As long as hicks are racist.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:24 PM
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9. They're not "hicks"...her supporters in some areas are uninformes and/or aged.
(this applies to PA well)

I'm in no way saying that all of her supporters fit into these two categories, but in PA (and other places) she's cleaning up in the "old and/or politically ignorant" category.

People fear change...even when their present reality is not working for them. The less-informed voters trend toward a candidate that's perceived as more experienced and less of a change. Older voters trend toward older candidates.

I know some will take offense to these generalizations, but I present them as gross generalizations...and I don't think I'm off the mark. It's not meant to be offensive, it's meant to provide a logical counterpoint to the idea that Clinton supporters are "hicks".

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:25 PM
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11. Oh no. They're hicks. Hicks don't get any hickier than PA hicks' hickiness.
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:27 PM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: Nothing in the world especially wrong with being a hick - half my family is from the hickiest of all PA hickdom - a suburb of Connellesville (funny joke). They really ARE just like the Beverly Hillbillies.

No, hickdom isn't per se the problem. The racism is.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:29 PM
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14. Maybe Carville was right...
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:29 PM by backscatter712
when he said "Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between."

Yeah, the Archie Bunker factor is very high in that state. There are tons of people in that state whose political thinking stops at the thought "I ain't votin' for a n****r!"

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:31 PM
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18. Oh they happily say it out loud.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:33 PM
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22. Sounds like southern Ohio...(no offense intended to DUers in southern Ohio)
I live in the west 'burbs of Cleveland.

We've always commented that southern Ohio thinks that the Mason-Dixon line runs through through Columbus ans occasionally referred to the region down there as "West Pennsyltucky".
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:34 PM
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24. And Indiana... It's good practice for Obama though - he's gonna get more of it.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:30 PM
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16. Hehe...I was trying to be kind.
I understand what you mean about "hicks", but I think the issue is actually them not being informed.

If gun issues were a person's "single-issue voter" issue, they'd never support Clinton's stand on the AWB. Hell, I'm not a hick and I think her stand on the AWB is atrocious.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:32 PM
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21. race > anything, for hicks. Except possibly gay folks. THAT would be a helluva primary! lol!
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:33 PM by BlooInBloo
Not sure who would win that one.

EDIT: Ah, who am I kidding? The gay candidate would trounce the black candidate in hickdom.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:39 PM
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29. I wonder what would happen if the "Hillary is a lesbian" meme took off...
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:41 PM by backscatter712
No, I don't believe Hillary is a lesbian, and no, even if she were, I don't think that's a bad thing.

Though Barack Obama's far too classy to exploit such sleaze.

I'm curious how it would affect the votes of the Archie Bunkers though...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:41 PM
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32. That's bush.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:42 PM
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34. Yep.
I'll bet that if Hillary somehow became the nominee, that meme would be dusted off just in time for November...
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:43 PM
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36. Interesting.
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:44 PM by MercutioATC
My grandfather was possibly the most seemingly racist family member I've ever known. It was always "nigger" this and "nigger" that...but I never actually knew a black person that he didn't get along with. His explanation was, of course, that they weren't really "niggers". To him, a "nigger" was the bogeyman that doesn't really exist, but he let it color his entire life.

As outwardly racist as he was, I really don't know how he would have voted (had he been a Dem). He was older, so probably for Clinton, but I don't believe it would have been because Obama's black.

On a completely unrelated topic, my grandfather could swear like nobody else I've ever met. Occasionally, established curses were no longer worthy of him, so he'd blurt out one of his own. "Your asshole sucks buttermilk" is possibly my favorite of these. It makes absolutely no sense, but conveys the appropriate message. He could be a mean bastard, but he could also be incredibly generous.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:16 PM
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2. Hillary Clinton will take it to the Convention! Thats my prediction....n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:01 PM
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37. I know lake Samish! :)
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:16 PM
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3. "She hasn't done so, anywhere she's lost." Baloney.
And you know it.
Thanks for blowing one of your three threads on this!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:26 PM
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12. I'm not doubting you, I just haven't seen it reported.
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:27 PM by MercutioATC
Do you have any info that states that she has?

(on edit) Texas doesn't count. She lost Texas but claimed a win.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:34 PM
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25. She lost Nevada as well.
Obama won the delegates. He also won everywhere in the state except Vegas.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:19 PM
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5. Clinton will never stop and will take it to the convention, and we'll have ringside seats
to the demise of her political career.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:19 PM
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6. I believe that she would find a way to minimize the importance of the win
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:19 PM
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7. some of her supporters here will.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:23 PM
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8. I've been trying to be hopeful... I have this idea that maybe...
maybe... when people get the MESSAGE that she can't win... they'll put an end to it.

Maybe in PA, more probably in Indiana.

You can bet the SD's know it may cost us the General Election... they won't sit on the fence much longer...

Obama could have enough for the nomination with a flood of SD's and wins in NC and IN.

it COULD happen

Then even Florida and Michigan will be rendered inconsequential and even Clinton, will be forced to throw in the towel.

So, my hope is for momentum from his presumptive Victory, in these coming votes... will nudge the SDs and give us time to focus on the General
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:28 PM
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13. Sometimes you come to realize that certain people can't get over themselves to do the right thing.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:30 PM
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15. She may try
But the Sandman will come out and sweep her off the stage before she is finished
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:31 PM
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19. now I have that song in my head
and I'll have to dig it out of my ammo crates full of CDs
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:31 PM
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17. Maybe she can include that in her concession speech. NT
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:32 PM
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20. Why start now?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:33 PM
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23. I think she believes it's a sign of weakness somehow
She never wants to acknowledge publicly that might, just might, not be the nominee. That would be a sign of weakness.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:35 PM
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26. If Obama won by any margin there would be no excuse for her not to concede altogether
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:36 PM by kenny blankenship
So, I'm going to say she'd thank her volunteers and issue a congratulation (finally) and a concession. I mean, she's not so completely oblivious (surely?) that she can't anticipate the reaction in the party if she were just to repeat her sore loser act again.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:40 PM
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30. The prevailing belief here is that she's completely Berserker
I don't agree with that... but it has some foundation considering her conduct.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:36 PM
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27. I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALA
Seriously, stop this. Odds are around 90-10 on a Hillary win.

What we want is for her to win by something like 53-47...the delegate advantage she'll get will be a wash then and her "firewall" states will be all dried up.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:37 PM
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28. Low Information Voters
'nuff said.

Its rather sad, IMO.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:40 PM
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31. She'll spank her volunteers and denigrate Obama
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:43 PM
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35. exactly true... more's the pity
I just don't "get" it

This is a manifestation of some form of Social Pathology, doncha think?

WTF? Did she play any High School sports?

This is just ugly... indicates some primary, missing, human element.
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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:42 PM
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33. hell no!
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