Obama staffer admits St. Obama has run a negative campaign. Change we can believe in?

This is the different kind of politics St. Obama will usher in? Surely these must be lies. St. Obama is the first politician running for president ever to be losing at significant junctures and not use negative attacks. St. Obama has run a cleaner campaign than Mother Teresa would.

PHILADELPHIA—Barack Obama’s final push through Pennsylvania has shown the combative, angry side of a candidate and campaign that had once been defined by its good cheer and condemnation of negative tactics. Despite the trappings of cheeriness—old-timey whistle-stop train tour, frequent professions of “love” for supporters—Obama’s closing argument was a distinctly negative one, designed to give the state’s significant percentage of undecided voters an uneasy feeling about Clinton, who is the Tuesday primary’s favorite, and to start laying the groundwork for his criticism of Republican nominee John McCain.

At a number of well-attended public appearances, Obama depicted Clinton as a divisive, disingenuous Democratic agent of the Republican attack machine—a dishonest politician willing, in her desperation, to take the party down with her.

“Her basic argument is that the slash-and burn, say-anything, do-anything, special-interest-driven politics is how it works,” he said, speaking in front of a small train station with a rusted roof. “And so she has taken more money than any other candidate, Democrat or Republican combined. She also believes that the nature of politics is that you say what the people want to hear. So maybe you say something about trade when you are campaigning with your husband eight, ten, 12 years ago and you say something different now that you are out campaigning in Ohio, Pennsylvania. Maybe you say one thing about the war when it looks like the war is popular and maybe you say something else about the war when it gets to be unpopular.”

The Obama campaign says the nastier tack is a necessary one. According to one staffer, speaking on background, Obama needed to make clear the distinction between the candidates and hit Clinton on what the Obama campaign perceives as her greatest vulnerability: trustworthiness. Likewise, according to the staffer, a conference call with Bosnia veterans held by the Obama campaign was intended to raise the question of her credibility by “keeping in the bloodstream” her embarrassingly inaccurate portrayal of a 1996 visit to Bosnia, which she said had taken place under sniper fire.

http://www.observer.com/2008/obama-gets-nasty>link

She he not defend himself against her 527's, and outright lies?

if I was to believe anything there.

you do know that, right?

And some of the attacks they list are not really attacks, they are facts. But this has been explained to you over and over and over again every time you post that link. Yet you really don't seem to care, you aren't the first nor last Clinton supporter that won't let facts stop you.

:rofl:

Obama Flips on Whether Clinton Leaked that Photo

March 11, 2008

Obama: "I take Senator Clinton at her word that she knew nothing about the photo. So I think that's something that we can set aside."

- Cleveland debate, February 26, 2008

Obama: "When in the midst of a campaign you decide to throw the kitchen sink at your opponent because you're behind, and you start, your campaign starts leaking photos of me when I'm traveling overseas wearing native clothes of those folks, to make people afraid, then you run an ad talking about who's going to answer the phone at three in the morning, an ad straight out of the Republican playbook, that's not real change. That's not real change. That's the same old thing." Jackson, Mississippi, March 10, 2008

In that kitchensink comment he never said she was responsible for it.

You said:

"Obama Flips on Whether Clinton Leaked that Photo"

and you called him a lier for that.

Yet in your second statement that you used as proof of him lying he never said Clinton leaked that photo.

In addition, when he said its time to set it aside he said it in march 08. Your second "kitchensink" comment where he brings this up was in Feb 2008.

So no, Obama was not lying about this. But someone here seems to be...but I forget, if you are a Clinton supporter your shit doesn't stink.

........80. You are changing the subject.

Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 03:49 PM by Pawel K
You said:

"Obama Flips on Whether Clinton Leaked that Photo"

and you called him a lier for that.

Yet in your second statement that you used as proof of him lying he never said Clinton leaked that photo.

In addition, when he said its time to set it aside he said it in march 08. Your second "kitchensink" comment where he brings this up was in Feb 2008.

So no, Obama was not lying about this. But someone here seems to be...but I forget, if you are a Clinton supporter your shit doesn't stink.

The way you wrote those dates was a little confusing, my apologies. But again, this doesn't change the fact he never said Clinton was responsible for the leak as you claimed he did when you said he flipped.

immediately after Drudge published his post about the scarf, Obama
believed that slimeball. This was with NO evidence and NO evidence
has ever been produced!! Do some research. You are blabbering once again without know what you are talking about.


.......

So I did. But you are still changing the subject and you are still wrong.
Posted by Pawel K


The way you wrote those dates was a little confusing, my apologies. But again, this doesn't change the fact he never said Clinton was responsible for the leak as you claimed he did when you said he flipped.

I'll refrain from calling you a liar, that would be rude. But the fact is Obama never said Clinton was directly responsible for those photos being leaked, you said he did.

than headsup debate.

Presidential debate in Raleigh canceled

RALEIGH — Plans for a Democratic presidential debate here have been scrapped,
state officials announced today.

The cancelation is due to time constraints and logistical issues, according to
a news release from the state Democratic Party.

Some Democratic leaders had expressed concerns that another debate between Sens.
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama would hurt party unity, the release said.

Clinton had accepted an invitation to participate. Obama’s campaign had said it
was still checking his schedule.

http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=291975

Do I have to ask this again? Obama originally agreed to a April 19th date. And again, he did not cancel this debate, the NC democratic party did.

Do you understand why?

But as usual anything to try to slow Obama eh?

Can you please turn the desperation down a little bit? Atleast make a normal topic.

Hillary has also not based her campaign on outrageous claims that she will single handedly transform politics by defying political gravity like St. Obama has.

First you belonged to the cult of St John, and now you belong to the cult of Obama is the devil. You have a classic cultist's approach. Everything with you is black and white and you can't distinguish between reality and fantasy, dear.

you were supposedly "pro-Edwards" before he dropped out. And even then you didn't ever post pro-Edwards threads. No, just like now, you did nothing but bash Obama.

You're certainly a cultist. You've just deluded yourself into hating a false devil instead of praising a false angel.

you better :hide: From the clearly sexist terminology, you have shown that all Obama supporters are misogynists! :evilgrin:

republicans in November.

EDIT: Typo.

"St Obama" that's what the campaign staffer referred to him as??? or was that your way of deceptively attacking Sen. Obama? Seems to me you value honesty as much as Hillary does.

He has never flip flopped and the list goes on.

why am I not surprised?

...........Hillary starts throwing mud and if Obama hits back ( which he hasn't done nearly as often as he could and maybe should have) then she whines that he is not 'practicing what he preaches' and not acting according to the 'new politics' he is advocating. If he doesn't hit back then she's saying he is not tough enough, a Sissy and Wuss who can't stand up against the Repuke's Attack Machine. What else can he do?

So Obama's candidacy is based on words--lying words?

....she 's got to have something to whine about (because the Country doesn't seem share her notion that we owe her the Nomination and Presidency). Just like she is now bitching because Obama said that all three Candidates (Obama, Clinton, McCain) would be better than George W. Bush - her arguement is that Dems don't need a Nominee who cheers for the Republican Nominee - that after she, repeatedly and loudly, raised McCain above Obama in her Campaign Speeches? Can she get any more hypocritical?

Look around you, at work, at school (PTA) where ever...anyone who stands up to the Bully is branded a trouble maker

When Obama is taking the MUD thrown at him by Hillary and responding with respect you guys jump up and down saying he is WEAK, the Repub's will EAT him for breakfast and that Hillary is the ONE.

When he responds decisively and attacks Hillary's weak points, you moan and groan that he is no longer the candidate of HOPE and that he is sooo negative that the country will turn away from him.

:wtf:
Do you recognize your bipolar behavior. I think you need to take a deep breath and go for a walk before your next post.

Did you expect him to stand still and take their abuse?

This line of attack is probably one of the lamest I've seen here at DU but, hey, the day is young.

He is amazing. The. Greatest. Politician. Ever.

He absolutely may turn out to be the greatest politician ever.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3277038

The three other polls that have come out already today have her leading by 10, 7, and 6.

The greatest politician ever would not be crowing about a 3 point lead in one poll after outspending his opponent 3:1 and having the MSM on his side. If the hype were accurate he would have won in a landslide a long time ago.

Time will prove you wrong.

Except in Hillaryland apparently.

after the damage is done he comes out with this one.

……..Clinton denied any knowledge of the photo coming from one of her staff.

"So far as I know, it did not," she said. "That's not the kind of behavior that I condone or expect from the people working in my campaign."

Obama, a senator from Illinois, said he believes her.

"I take Sen. Clinton at her word that she knows nothing about the photo," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/26/dems.debate /

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Happiness I cannot feel and love to me is so unreal

I am really curious about that and not flaming you.

That crazy logic is amazing. You can still be positive and run a different campaign while defending yourself against lies and smears.

Only a fool would stand still and let someone beat up on them. I would thik less of him if he didn't hit back. He's doing good because many other people would have been much harsher towards her by now.

He is just standing up to her directly. This is probably because the word "wimp" (Newsweek-ABC) entered into the fray last week and he is reacting to it. THAT is new for him, he hasn't followed her down any road yet but then again he clearly can end this tomorrow so he is firing lots of shots her way.

He hasn't gone negative in actuality and not even near her in relevance.

Only a fool would not defend themselves after constantly being subjected to lies and smears.

The thing with you people is that anything he does will be subjected to critcism.

I definately won't try to make him a saint but I also won't demonize him like you all do.

These people don't understand how restrained he's been.

Video: Pennsylvania Governor Rendell Praises Farrakhan and N.O.I.

Start with this from the recent debate:

:rofl:

all for her. you can not get upset with that.

She is to drop out after reading the writing on the wall - which says clear and loud:

YOU ARE DEEP IN DEBT!


Hawkeye-X

TYY

the campaign? says?

nice link, if you don't mind the 'quote' is 'on background' and virtually unidentifiable...

some say....

To clarify "losing" I mean at critical junctures. Just because you lose one primary doesn't mean you start to attack. See John Kerry, although even he threw in some light jabs at the end.

You are just deliberately trying to be insulting. You are succeeding.

:rofl:

This is a legitimate issue. If Obama is going to run based on words we have to make sure he lives up to those words.

If you are going to be an insulting asshat at least own up to your insults or take the usual route out: "but they do it too".

Go back to capital hill and reorganize another strike.

Flamebait.

just like Bush did, what's your point? Hey, when is Hillary going to come out with the Color watch code...going to have Tom Ridge with his Color chart? How about a tape of Osama saying..."Obama, that's my
guy!" Oh wait, she did that!!


IS THAT THE FUCKING CHANGE YOU'RE BACKING????

untrustworthy and unknown

Not presidential material

Wrong


Awesome slideshows.

:rofl:

slideshow or not he is still "untrustworthy and unknown"

delusion and denial trumps facts.

good job!

"Obama Staffer"

Hillary, for example, is running on her years as First Lady included in her experience. If she had merely said she visited the troops in Bosnia, that would be a fine and noble thing to have done. Instead she made up a giant lie. Pointing out the untruthfulness of a candidate's claim is required, IMHO. I don't want another 8 years of a liar in the White House. On the other hand, Hillary bringing up a casual acquaintance of Obama's and trying to make a federal case of it because the guy was in the Weather Underground when Obama was 8 years old is completely and totally foolish.

Thanks for posting.

We'll see how much good his negativity and money does for him in PA. St. Obama will not win us the White House.

And dishonor the real experience of our troops?

he runs a zero Senate office. 120 PRESENT votes so he doesn't have to declare a YES/NO decision and has a zilch voting record. His ONLY committee chairmanship --- he's not held one meeting/hearing ---oversight of NATO and thus Afghanistan which is falling apart daily.
Obama has proven that he's indecisive as a leader and has blinders on for awful rhetoric from his minister for twenty years.

Obama's a featherweight....all rhetoric...nasty, attack rhetoric......silly words-no action.
W promised nearly the same. look where we are with a 'Washington outsider'.....dangerous men.

Go Hillary....Take the fight right to the Convention. You're fearless...and have all the right plans for this country. YOU should be appointing Supreme Court justices and Cabinet and Federal Government Agency leaders.

Senator Clinton has also voted 127 times "not voting" since present is a state thing, not a national. Most of these votes have been since she has been running for President, just like Obama. She has a more extensive voting record since she has been there longer, but Obama has cast some votes too. Educate yourself, please see links.
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463 (Clinton)
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490 (Obama)

Second, he is the chair of the SUB-Committee on European affairs, NATO happens to fall on that jurisdiction, and that is all under the jurisdiction of the Committee on Foreign Relations.

http://foreign.senate.gov/subcommittee.html

Third, stop acting like Rev. Wright said those things the day he walked into the church. That sermon that upset everyone happened the Sunday after 9-11, not 20 years ago. Also, I don't think that you know the kind of "church/cult" that Sen. Clinton is involved with. I am far more scared of these people than a preacher with some valid, albeit extreme, points.

harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_(Christian_political_organization)

I am not even going to argue about who has been "nastier" since I think it is pretty clear that Sen. Clinton brought out the sink and has done everything she can to mis-lead the public with fear about Sen. Obama.

Lastly, "W" was not really a Washington outsider, when your daddy was the president, you already know people.

are just that- words.

as a matter of fact, I would go as far to say, Obama has NO principles.

or is "obama staffer" the person`s name? your post is confusing and dare i say not believable...or should we ask jason?

... is a person who will say anything, do anything.

Remember this event. In the future if Obama becomes POTUS, this is the omen of what you can expect when he reneges on his lofty campaign "promises."

He'll. say. anything.

A "nastier tack" does not equate to a "negative campaign", and strong response is necessary when under continual negative attacks based on distortion, lies and fear.

Sad OP.