Clinton superdelegate, Bill Nelson, lashes out at DNC again today.

I must say that Florida's superdelegates for Clinton have done a good job for their candidate. They have kept up the level of anger toward the party since the day Hillary changed her mind and decided she wanted the FL delegates after all.

They have sued the DNC several times, in between lawsuits they have pumped up the level of vitriol toward Dean. They have served their candidate's interests well.

Senator Nelson lashes out at DNC over "Secret" deliberations





More about Nelson's anger.



This is about Jon Ausman's request to the committee. It is not even clear yet if the DNC rules committee has even decided. Here is more from another article....

Nelson and Hastings: open the recommendation





I have said this was Hillary's ticket to the convention...FL delegates. It leaves a way for her to make Obama not appear to be legit.

I have no doubt she would do that. The way her campaign has been run shows she would not rule it out.

Right on cue, here comes Bill Nelson to the rescue. And by his side, the Clinton campaign national co-chair, Alcee Hastings.

How many career politicians can she bring down? Many I hope.

Too bad more people are not aware of what's REALLY been going on since Gov. Dean became Party Chair INSPITE OF THE DLC. :evilfrown:

:thumbsup:

made public? That doesn't sound right. He's not much of a rescue, is he?

STFU Bill... you and your henchmen screwed up and ruined your state's chances to vote..

He's pissed because HIS SD vote is gone too..:)

that the DNC did not follow the rules. That just angers me so much. They have spread so many lies about FL and MI that it is impossible for the average person to see the truth.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1932

"Under the DNC delegate selection rules, if a state party’s plan violates the rule with respect to timing, the number of its pledged delegates—those delegates awarded proportionally to candidates based on the primary or caucus results—is automatically reduced 50%(without any action by the RBC or DNC); no member of the DNC can attend the Convention as a delegate; no Member of Congress can attend the Convention as a delegate; and if applicable, the state’s Democratic governor can not attend the Convention as a delegate. In addition, any presidential candidate who campaigns in the state for the event in violation of the rules cannot receive any pledged delegates from that state. In addition to these automatic sanctions, the DNC the RBC has authority under the rules to impose additional sanctions, including further reductions in the state’s delegation.

At its meeting on August 25, 2007, the DNC RBC found Florida’s plan in noncompliance with the DNC rules, and voted to increase the sanctions against Florida by reducing the state’s delegation by 100% unless the state party, within the 30-day period allowed by the
Committee’s regulations, submitted a plan for an alternative, state party-run process on or after February 5 that would be used to allocate delegate positions."

The longer Clinton delays quitting the race the more desperate they get.

Oh yea - that will work. :sarcasm:

People opposed to seating the Florida and Michigan delegations must believe one of the following:

(1) It is more important for the DNC to show its power than for the voters in Florida or Michigan to express their choice for President.

(2) It is more important for Obama to win the nomination than it is for the voters in Florida or Michigan to express their choice for President.

(3) It is more important to cling to the letter of the law (the DNC saying Fla and Mich can't vote) than it is to express the SPIRIT of the law (every eligible person has the right to vote.)

Truth is, the voters in Florida and Michigan had no choice in this matter. Their vote was taken away from them by decisions of the mucky-mucks of the Democratic Party leadership, busy preserving the status quo.

If the Democratic Party does not give these Democrats back their right to vote, then the Democratic Party is not the Democratic Party anymore.

Speaking as a Hillary supporter, I wouldn't want to win that way.

Calling Dean/DNC a vote nazi for enforcing rules is nothing but whining sour grapes.

FLA/MI voters were screwed by the system; and I'm all for a redo. But I'm not for counting illegitimate primaries - the votes were cast, but based on information that the primary did not count in one state and Obama was not even on the ballot in the other.

Yes, every person has the right to vote in a LEGIT primary.

The voters in Michigan and Florida need to vote these idiots out and elect progressive
people in. The DNC is not to blame for this. The state(s) democratic party is.

Not the DNC. :hi:

of course he does use the "Mommy your so, so, so, so pretty" whenever he gets in trouble, maybe they should try that on Chairman Dean, it usually works on me:)

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2008/04/nelson-hastings.html

"DNC staff members have reviewed the appeals and made their recommendations to party leaders. Nelson and Hastings want the DNC to release these recommendations and hold a public meeting before a final decision on the appeal.

"The Democratic Party is an open party," wrote the two in the letter. "It would be inconsistent with the DNC's commitment to openness to keep actions on these appeals under a cloak of secrecy."

A spokesman from the DNC said today that the party has not made a decision on the appeal and would publicize the results once they are ready. A party official, however, said it was unlikely that the internal recommendations would be released."

Do they LIKE their party leaders down there?

Do they LIKE being lied to and played like fiddles?

Cause :puke:

I can understand that because of the way the FL media has presented it. They have not told the truth.

Jon, the controversy is resolved. Just not the way you like it. They will be seated, just not counted toward the nominee. Just not counted until the two candidates agree...which will occur when hell freezes over.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article466904.ece

"A Florida Democratic National Committee member trying to give Florida a voice in the Democratic presidential nomination is fed up with the brushoff he says he's getting from the party.

"There's obviously a stall going on. … They're treating Florida worse than their own dog,'' said Jon Ausman of Tallahassee, who five weeks ago filed two appeals with the DNC's rules and bylaws committee, arguing that the committee overstepped its authority in stripping away Florida's delegates to the national convention.

For weeks, Ausman said he has been unable to get calls returned by the prominent co-chairs of that committee, Alexis Herman and Jim Roosevelt, or any word on how the committee will proceed. Either they want to wait until a candidate drops out of the race or don't want to admit they made a mistake in punishing Florida so severely for setting a primary earlier than DNC rules allowed, Ausman said.

"They need to step up to the plate or they just need to admit what they're going to do, which is nothing. Obviously the process and the rules don't count,'' said Ausman, a party rules maven, whose appeals were seen as the fastest vehicle for getting Florida's delegate controversy resolved"

She is the one who said Howard Dean should resign.

He enforced party rules, and she wants him to resign.

Today she joins Bill Nelson and Alcee Hastings in demanding they seat Florida delegates so Hillary can win.

http://www.news4jax.com/politics/15949868/detail.html#

"JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- One of the leading Democrats in Jacksonville and a strong supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton's run for president is confident her candidate will win Tuesday's primary in Pennsylvania and keep fighting for her party's nomination.

"It is huge and it's going to be all the way to the convention," U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown said Monday.

On the eve of the highly anticipated Pennsylvania vote, Sen. Barack Obama leads Clinton by 139 delegates. A candidate needs 2,025 to get the nomination"

(She must be adding in FL delegates...Obama leads by more than that.)

There's gonna be rallies and trouble at convention if they are not seated, she says.

""If you count Florida, we're are in dead heat," Brown said. "Florida and Michigan must be counted."

Even with those votes, the nomination will likely come down to the party's superdelegates -- elected officials allowed to vote because of their position in the party. Brown is a superdelegate pledged to Clinton.

Corrigan agrees with Brown when it comes to counting Florida and the delegates -- which he said the party must deal with soon.

Brown says the fight is on, marches and demonstrations planned for the near future. She said she'll carry that to the convention if Florida delegates are not seated."

That is just a lie. You can read the article for yourself.

http://www.bocaratonnews.com/news/local/499-views-abound-nationally-locally-delegate-seating.php

But if you read nothing else, read and think about this. This bunch has every intention of disrupting the convention and trying to render Obama illegit.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1932



Florida KNEW they would lose all their delegates, they had 30 days to find a way to compromise. They refused.

They are lying.

These two states are her means of getting to convention. Blood on the floor says Nelson, perhaps a bloodied nominee.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/clinton_will_campaign_beyond_p.html

"SCRANTON, Pa.--Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed to take her cash-starved campaign far beyond Tuesday's Pennsylvania primary -- win or lose -- saying she'll fight until voters in Florida and Michigan are seated at the Democratic convention.

Barack Obama's advisers have argued it will be almost impossible for Clinton to win the nomination if she doesn't prevail in remaining contests by landslide margins -- and some analysts have suggested she should quit if she doesn't win Pennsylvania by 20 points or more. The state has 187 delegates up for grabs.

But Clinton was defiant Monday night, telling CNN's Larry King, "I'm going until we get Florida and Michigan resolved."

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wusf/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1264578§ionID=1

"TAMPA (2008-04-22) The Pennsylvania Primary may determine whether Florida's delegation gets to participate in the Democratic National Convention this August. If the race is close and the Democratic presidential contest continues, it may prolong seating Florida's delegation.

U.S. Senator Bill Nelson is a Florida super delegate who supports Sen. Hillary Clinton for president. He was asked what a narrow win for her would mean in Pennsylvania.

It's probably that it's over. If it's a big win, she's all the way to the convention, says Nelson. He defines a big win as 7 percent or more and a narrow win as 4 percent or less.

If the Democratic race is contested up to the convention, Nelson predicts, There will be blood on the floor. His theory if delegates from Florida and Michigan are not seated, it will be unlikely voters will support a Democratic nominee."

This is about the worst thing that could happen.

about the party leaders! Besides you're only doing because you support Obama! What you fail to understand is, that it's not about candidates it's about the intregity of the vote!

Because she demanded that the FL delegates were hers after she agreed to the rules at first.

It is WHY we don't support her at all.

for your integrity, your sense of justice and for telling it like it really is.

I am angry and passionate about it. :hi:

he can't close the deal and doesn't carry the white vote of the Dem base and the big states as evident in exit poling last night. It's as simple as that!! And if you can't stand the heat now and think that Hillary is tough on Obama, just wait until Rove, who signed on with McCain, gets a hold of him. You haven't seen anything yet!!! Just realize, that as sad as it is, subterranean racism is a lot more alive in this country than you all think. (I'm not even convinced that "the country" is ready for a female president either, but we won't know until we try.) So keep looking through your prisms and continue to delude yourselves!

And for the record frankly I don't care who won Florida, that's NOT the issue for me. I want the votes counted and I'm sick & tired of party leaders, local and national. Parties are even mentioned in the Constitution. As a political scientist, I look at our electoral system and it's a joke! The universal system is ONE MAN, ONE VOTE! Let the people decide!!! There should be a national primary and general election that is not based on the outdated electoral college but on the popular vote, it's the only way to give democracy back into the hands of the voter!

So Mad, instead of being disingenuous and posting your bile, at the very least, disclose that you have a hidden agenda, because you're an Obama supporter and don't really care about the integrity of the voter in Florida!

of the voter and not just look at these candidates through my prism. As a political scientist, I can see how the moderate voter, which is how this country historically votes, would be swayed by McCain. I've said all along to watch for the Dems to screw it up, (it wouldn't be the first time) and that this election is the Dem's to lose.

wing of the Dem party. What a fuckin' surprise. :eyes:

Go back to helping the Repubs ruin our country, Bill. Leave us out of it.

I want the votes counted and I'm sick & tired of party leaders, local and national. Parties are even mentioned in the Constitution. As a political scientist, I look at our electoral system and it's a joke! The universal system is ONE MAN, ONE VOTE! Let the people decide!!! There should be a national primary and general election that is not based on the outdated electoral college but on the popular vote, it's the only way to give democracy back into the hands of the voter! And for the record frankly I don't care who won Florida, that's NOT the issue for me.

Anyone you doesn't want a solution for Florida is disingenuous and doesn't give a rat's ass about the integrity of the voter in Florida. Obama supporter!, anyone who's against solving this problem in a fair way has a hidden agenda, that is clear!

either stop pretending to be a Democrat or start acting like one. Each time his office replied with a standard form letter that had nothing to do with anything I said. He is a serious bag of douche.

like Nelson, both catered to the moderate FL Dem. When Graham left we got Repug Martinez to replace him, Reno didn't even come close! Eventhough I don't agree with Nelson on many things, I rather have a moderate Dem than no Dem at all! You're never going to change the dynamics of this state.

sense he'd support Hillary.

revote. The Supreme Court has not appointed Obama as the winner of the FL primary. Apples and oranges.

they make the rules and decide who should be counted, It's absolutely ludicrous! They yield way too much power, it's exactly what the founding fathers were afraid of and George Washington addressed this in his farewell address.

Because of the high profile of this year's primary, if a nominee wins the popular vote but doesn't get the nomination, the party will be damaged severely, no matter who wins the nomination. In the eyes of the voters, it's essentially the same thing as the Gore/Bush situation! It's essential that this problem is resolved if a Dem is to capture the whitehouse! There's already overwhelming support from the American people to do away with the electoral college next will be the outrage at the party of the handling of the FL/MI problem. It's just not at all helpful for our democracy! Never mind the fact that in the eyes of the world we look ridiculous!

and as far as Nelson is concerned, be realistic you're never going to change the dynamics of this state. FL is a moderate state. Bob Graham was a moderate just like Nelson, both catered to the moderate FL Dem a large Jewish population and Latinos. When Graham left we got Repug Martinez to replace him, Reno didn't even come close! Even though I don't agree with Nelson on many things, I rather have a moderate Dem than no Dem at all!

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