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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:19 AM Original message |
What's up with Hillary going around to all of these news shows saying she will destroy Iran? |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. There are several reasons why progressives were never hogwild about Hillary |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. No kidding. I'm thinking she's going to start scaring the independents, moderates, ... |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Yep. We can't win the general without indies and we can't draw indies |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
111. Only one explanation: SHE'S FREAKING NUTS. Get her out of the race, now. n/t |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Odd, how one holds one's early opinion in abeyance, and how often they turn out to be true. nt |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Yes. Progressives and independents are increasingly drawn to Obama this |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. I'm hoping there is a visceral drive for Freedom that will nourish those Independents if |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Obama seemed to stake a claim for that turf this winter. His comments |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Senator Obama favors diplomacy should Iran attack Israel with nuclear weapons |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. McCain is the loser if indies flock to Obama, which is a notion supported |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
52. WEEEEEEHAAAAWWWWW! |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
57. LOL. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. How is it that people are unaware of this? |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Ignoring intelligence and banging the drums of war |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #65 |
90. Responding to the faux outrage |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. ... |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
58. No, Obama favors diplomacy in order to PREVENT an attack on Israel or anyone else. |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. As does Senator Clinton |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Obama didn't talk about diplomacy? That's not true ... here's the transcript |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. See? SEE? That WHOLE quote, and the word 'diplomacy' does not appear once! |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. LOL! |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #69 |
81. I can't believe it, but ... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. If they keep grasping at straws, eventually they will grab that last, |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Carrots and Sticks |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #71 |
80. She's better because he didn't use the actual word "diplomacy" when talking about diplomacy?! |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #80 |
89. Their positions are almost identical with Clintons being more detailed |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. You're basing your entire response on what was said during one debate. |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. There is no written foreign policy for Iran attacking Israel with nuclear weapons |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. But you've already contradicted your own OP |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Senator Obama favors diplomacy should Iran attack Iraq with nuclear weapons |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
88. I don't think that's Obama's position. |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Make no mistake about it |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #92 |
110. Clinton's responses are provocative, and, like with Bush, tend to lead away from diplomacy ... |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. This IS true about Obama. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #22 |
98. The primary criteria should be, as you suggest, "Use". |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
2. Triangulation. |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
42. That is exactly the reason |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #42 |
74. If only more people would wake up and see these sorts of things for what they are. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
107. how can that be? |
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Crazy Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
3. No surprise |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
4. She is bidding for Bush's ba$e. And apparently she really need$ their help. nt |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
40. She's assuring Bush she'll continue his policy on Iran BEFORE he'll steal the votes for her. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Oh SHIT yeah!! I forgot about that little process . . . : - ((((((((((((((((( |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
109. eh, she'd never be able to get Bush's base |
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Diamond Dog (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
9. Because she's a typical Democratic Leadership Council corporatist. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
10. No nation has used nuclear weapons on another since we bombed Japan. |
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Diamond Dog (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. What about her comments to the effect of 'Iran would be the only nuclear power in the region'? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
43. There was a mutually agreed upon fantasy for a long time |
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Diamond Dog (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. I'm fully aware of it. The question is, however... |
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C_U_L8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
11. She even scared nasty old Pat Buchanan |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
12. Selfish Neo-con Millionaires don't lose with either HRC or McCain: Rich get richer ... |
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ericgtr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
13. More bad advice from her new advisor is all I can figure |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
14. She was asked the question. Obama is lucky he wasn't. |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Yes he was asked the question, at the debate, and he answered it. He said something to the effect |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #21 |
63. IOW, he hedged his bet. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. No, in other words, he's not trying to out-cowboy Bush. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
16. No wonder she voted for the War, Neo-con Deluxe |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
18. She's saying "she will destroy Iran?" |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Have you not been watching the news? |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. No, not yet, please provide link where she says she will |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
84. here? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
87. transcript from her interview on Countdown: |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
105. Self-fulfilling prophecy provokes the bad guys' behaviors that justify the prediction. |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
19. She's saying "she will destroy Iran?" |
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Diamond Dog (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Here. |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
73. Uhhh... I think some are hearing what they want to hear. n/t |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #73 |
85. yes because that whole invade Iraq thing was a big bluff |
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oviedodem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
20. DLC! DLC! DLC! DLC! -- Listen and learn. |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #20 |
45. Vote DLC Democrats out every chance you get |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
26. Senator Obama will give a speech should Iran nuke Israel |
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Cassandra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Nuke it with what, exactly? |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Exactly |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. What a ridiculous uninformed post. |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. certainly no worse than the original one |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. PURE Speculation. Do yourself and us a favor; go Wiki "Logic" and read up |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. As logical as the thread it was in reply to |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. That's pretty funny: On one hand we have a denotative verbal statement and on the other we don't, so |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Better to be sharp than to be obtuse |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. As much as I dislike McCain and hate to pay him any type of compliment, I think he is smarter than |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Both Senators Clinton and Obama used rhetoric |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #46 |
59. The point is, this is not an issue. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #46 |
97. Both of those words "sharp" and "obtuse" are projections of your own agenda. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #26 |
86. yes, right after he is the starting 2B for the Chicago Cubs |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
27. Her only hope is getting the neo-con vote |
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invictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
36. Hillary has shown she cannot be trusted with the presidency. She's as insane as a Republican. n/t |
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invictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
37. If it votes like a Republican, talks like a Republican .... |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. And, might I add... |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Hillary was a Republican before meeting Bill |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
47. Hillary = Bush wannabe |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
51. She's campaigning to the right on security. It's a strategy - not a very good one. |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
53. Democrats are always perceived as weak on national security |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
54. Fascism is a hard habit to break |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. no fascist regime ever breaks the habit |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
61. Looks almost like she's pushing for a McCain VP slot at this point. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Now THERE'S a unity ticket. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
62. Jewish votes and AIPAC money |
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SurfingAtWork (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
64. I think it is wierd too |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
75. I thought nothing could surprise me. |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
76. If they nuke Israel. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
77. Where is the link to what she said? nt |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
78. simple: she is selling herself to military-industrial complex, not us. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. she already has |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #78 |
104. THAT is exactly what she's doing. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
114. Bingo. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I think her loudest supporters here are rentals if you know what I mean |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
79. I noticed in her discussion with Olbermann she said Iran getting nukes would start arms race but... |
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Aloha Spirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #79 |
94. This is my impression from the Olbermann interview: She wants to prevent Iran |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. nobody stopped Pakistan getting nuclear weapons |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #94 |
103. Right! If you think you're "done for" under any circumstance and it is only a matter of when, |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
99. Yep. She's "Tough" alright, with other people's lives, that is apparent from the IWR. nt |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
102. Can someone explain how she differs from Bush? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
106. Funny how some Hillary supporters last night in interviews think... |
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libnnc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. up is down black is white right is left.... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
112. She's playing for the hick vote - the bombbombomb... bombbomb Iran vote. |
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stranger_with_candy (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
113. She's delusional |
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