What excuses will we read in GDP when Obama loses PA?

My predictions:

1) "Anything less that a 20-point victory by Hillary is a loss."

2) "Hillary stole it with electronic voting."

3) "Obama's name wasn't on the ballot in some precincts in Pennsylvania."


What do you predict the excuses will be tonight when it becomes clear that Obama's lost PA?

or the other. I'll be paying attention to exit polling (though I don't know if anyone reports the raw unweighted numbers anymore).

Because she needs to win by over 20 points to gain significant delegates before the NC primary wipes out whatever she wins today.

If he were winning, be honest with yourself, you wouldn't be whining and crying about the machines.

ETA: "winning by any means possible" is NOT my style.

http://www.organikrecords.com/corporatenewslies/tobelievetrifold.pdf

Strawman.

Try E-bay, you may even find a bargain.

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'cept you.

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Lily-white rich southern women are a separate race? Who knew?

....I added rich because unless you have heard the CLinton's are multi-multi-millionaires....and apparently part of an entirely separate race that is being discriminated against...

to say something racist like "lily-white."

...who is rich, white and priviledged to be claiming they are down-trodden...

Just more of Billary and her rabid lemmings playing the 'victim' card again....

Right...

Again...lily white = racist and unneccessary. But feel free to continue to use it in the privacy of your own home.

It simply is not a racist term...

:shrug:

Substitute those words for their antonyms and tell me that.

Look up the definition of "race" and get back to me...

bringing up race and then claiming it is not racist is dishonest and disingenuous at best.

At worst, it is the very definition of race-baiting.

....How can you NOT have figured that out yet?

Good grief!

Adding southern women to it just adds a few more unnecessary stereotypes to the mix.

"No excuses here. What happens when he kicks her lily-white, southern ass down here in NC?"
"No excuses here. What happens when she kicks his tar-black, northern ass down here in NC?"


See how that works?

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What are you? A slime-ist?

;-)

if your going to defend racial epiphets, then you should defend them all.

What defines "racist" isn't whether the majority is offended by it.

Hillary and Bill's statements = Racist.

Got it?

I can occasionally be slow on the uptake.

...you have displayed a special kind of stupid in this thread...welcome to ignore..

"Dumbass" indeed....:eyes:

Pwned.

Not enough ignorant votes down here to help Hillary's cause I guess.

I'm so confused.

...Lily-white is NOT racist...

Get.Over.Yourself.

Cracker, Honky, Snowflake...THOSE are racist....:eyes:

Wanker.

See how irrelevant that comment was?

...nice try on the race baiting though...:eyes:

Nice try on your history revision though.

ETA - OMFG. YOU pull David Duke totally out of your ass and then accuse ME of racebaiting? That is RICH.

...the discussion and yet I'm the one race-baiting?

Um, whilst I'm trying not be childish here but, you did it first...remember?

...personally I think there are far more offensive things to get worked up about than "lily-white"...

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on DU, I have been called a racist, just because I will not vote for your man. I have never even been called that by a Republicans before. Just by Dems on DU>

...so what?

susposed to be Dems have.

Hillary and her husband howver HAVE used racist tactics...today in fact...

Whine, whine, whine, whine....the HRC mantra...it's NEVER my fault...

Maybe not to you, but it is to me.

:shrug:

:D

I am astonished at what passes the "OK" test here at DU.

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Perhaps you should, instead of looking up smileys, be looking up the definition of "racist".

Hint: it doesn't say "white people picking on black people".

...Hint: Lily-white southern women are not a RACE. Look it up.

Are you saying that the antonym wouldn't either?

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Is this a lily-white southern woman?


Is this?



Or this?

..the other two not so much...

Sometimes the only appropriate response is :eyes:.

They are all women, no?

That's NOT a race, right?

:eyes:

And the only difference between the three is the color of their skin, but "lily-white" has nothing to do with race.

If you are not brain damaged or otherwise developmentally disabled, you are a moron.

Illinois is now in the South??????? You do know that she was born in Chicago, don't you?

Besides, we all know that he's going to win NC. The demographics are the same as in GA, SC, AL, etc.

And if she is under 18%, then she's finished.

Hawkeye-X

Both literally & figuratively.

Rendell & Diebold - Partners is Crime.




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Rendell fixed the machines for Hillary.

Look, The Hillary is done, deal with it.

See autorank's thread.

she will lose any gains she made, when she loses by a landslide in NC. So that's the facts and no excuses are needed.

It's very telling that she wasn't able to hold on to her 20 point lead in the State she grew up in, that is heavily weighted with her best demographics.

...trying to explain there way out of how it was possible for their Queen to piss away a 20+ lead in less than 6 weeks...

No excuses needed.

Your pissy attitude sucks.

shitting out flamebait is your forte, isn't it? Along with whining incessently. What an achievement.

Oh, and I've long predicted a 12% win for hills. Unlike you, I prefer not to make excuses and whinge.

are you. I don't ever post this kind of thread, and I frequently post congratulations to hill supporters on endorsements and defend her from charges that she'll become an independent or that she's a neocon, etc. You best keep your mirror, dearie. You need it to showcase your own hypocrisy.

nonsense regularly.

You post attacks on democrats regularly.

I've never started one thread attacking Obama. Not one.

All I see, blissfully, is "Ignored" up there, but it sure sounds like its our favorite "I'm a Obama supporter but I can also be independent-minded" horseshit-spinner.

:rofl:

There's so much hate from that side it's hard to remember which one posted which hate.

:rofl:

You were the one who claimed that Clinton is "no different then the GOP," so don't give us that "I defend her from charges that she's a con" crap.

And those threads all gave him the slimmest of margins.

Obama himself said as recently as last night that he doesn't expect to carry the state.

????

The real question is what bizarre logic Hillary supporters will invent to pretend she pulled off some upset.

Spot on.

This particular problem is no joking matter, regardless of which candidate it happens to.

Obama was 20+% points behind in the polls a couple weeks ago. That is different now.

If Hillary wins, she will only grab up to 10 delegates more than Obama, leaving her still 150+ delegates behind. She could win by a few percentage points in the popular vote and lose in the delegate vote.

What I find hilarious from the Hillary camp is that they are complaining they are being outspent. That's because they are BROKE! They owe millions to vendors along the way that are complaining that they aren't getting paid.

As for eVoting, I would think that ALL Democrats should be concerned with how insecure those electronic voting systems are. With a Palm Pilot with beaming capability, you can log into one of these machines and completely screw with the memory cards that hold the votes. Do you not want a voting system with some kind of redundancy and a paper trail?

Obama may well lose PA, but will still have twice as many states won, the most delegates and the most popular votes. Next!

Which is a nice way to say, idiots (who don't mind her being a proven compulsive liar).

Oh, wait, that just the fucking truth.

Then she calls out all of the mean, uncivilized Obama supporters for shutting down her perfectly pristine post.

Then the next day comes and she starts the same shit all over again.

:yourock: :applause:

are all out in droves this morning with the same spin..."spent alla that munney an' can't close the deal.." an now this little sillyness....

Did everyone get paid last night??


Hey, Maddy - How many talking points are they giving you for today??

All he has to do is prevent Hillary from getting more than 60% of the vote because that will prevent her from kicking it with the superdelegates--THAT'S his excuse!

By the way, reports are ALREADY coming in about voting machines breaking down in minority and low-income areas of PA!

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rocknation

what will be the excuses by the HRC supporters when she only wins by single digits when she was up as much as 26% in the polls.

It's always been Hillary's state to lose. But I hope it's close enough that it won't have a significant effect on Obama's delegate lead.

Because I'm going to my Obama Volunteer party and having a good time regardless of the outcome.

You all can talk all you want on here.

That's all she's trying to do here, limit herself to simply an embarrassing loss. She's gone from the public and videotaped claim that it would all be over on Super Tuesday with her the nominee to her current status of clear second place with no realistic path to a victory.

As far as I can tell right now it's now all about her trying to get out without too obviously getting her ass handed to her, build up what few victories she can into as much as she can and hope nobody notices that it doesn't change the fact she's still clearly the second place candidate. Let her fans have this one if they can pull it off, why should we care?

in that time, and still hasn't caught up.

poor argument, for someone who can't pay her bills.

just a fact. No matter how much he spends in big states, he can't beat her.

Tonight will be interesting though.

Let's hope she wins in the single digits or loses to Obama, and decides to FINALLY drop out.

"doesn't matter she won PA (and will probably win the majority of upcoming primaries), she still needs to drop out and GIVE him the nomination".

:rofl:

because being that she is behind in pledged delegates, the popular vote, and the number of states won (even if she wins PA), she can't exactly "GIVE" Obama the nomination when she is in second place in a 2 person race.

PA has the second-oldest population in the US after Florida.
Clinton does well among the elderly, while Obama does well with the youth.
Given PA demographics, HDC will most likely win by a few points.

It's over for the DLC, I wish them even worse luck next time.

That Bill borrowed from Karl Rove

Voting machines fucked up in black districts, working fine in white districts.

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming... 4 dead in Ohio...

You are all over the place starting shit.

...that's just George Stepanopoulis lying again! How's that for an excuse????

had he spent more he could have come in first.




I really like that one :rofl:


or

What do you expect from bible thumping gun toting bigots that like bowling?

Just kidding with ya Maddy. The excuse will be that they had expected to lose in PA but that they wanted to get as close as possible to Hillary in this race and they did that so in his mind he didn't lose.

I've seen hints of that already, too.

Kucinich footing the bill of a recount, and all the assorted Obamaniac whining. I'm sure we'll see more of the same tonight.

:-(

Nah, too close to the truth, and we know how that offends the BOs.

And that's sad. :(

Hillary is expected t win. What will YOUR excuses be when Hillary wins Pa and still loses the nomination? Hmmmmm

You keep up your whining and spinning though, I find it humerous.

A lot of people are afraid of change - and some just ignorant.

Unless she breaks 20 points, she accomplishes nothing.

Go to slate and do the math for yourself.

Nobody tells me anything. :-(

because she needs way more than that. This is why this was over after Wisconsin.

Clinton wins PA by 12 has been my call. She wins the state primary, but it still bleeding support. Her winning by less-than-a-landslide doesn't affect the overall standings significantly. It won't affect national views of either candidate significantly or people's donations. Possibly the most Clinton can hope for is to get her campaign out of debt - back to 0.

Clinton supporters seem to think that PA is the whole country - which makes psychological sense, I suppose, since they prefer not to think of her situation as it really is: losing.

Primaries are like the Tour de France. A person can have an advantage on one type of stage without being seriously in the running to win the whole thing.

But yes - Clinton will win PA - everybody knows it, and has known it. Feel free to make yourselves feel better by saying it over and over.

The spread: Clinton needs to win by at least 10 percentage points -- the margin she posted over Obama in Ohio's March 4 primary -- to show that she has not lost her touch in the industrial Rust Belt, several uncommitted superdelegates said.

If she is successful, she will be able to point superdelegates to the fact that she trounced Obama despite being severely outspent on television and radio advertisements in Pennsylvania by a more than 2-to-1 margin.

If Obama can keep the race to within 10 percentage points, or even win, he would claim that he has shown surprising strength in a state that is Clinton's demographic home turf, with many of the lower-income Democrats who have supported her in earlier primaries. That kind of result would give Obama momentum heading toward the May 6 contests in Indiana and North Carolina, where a sweep would make a Clinton nomination feel all the more unrealistic.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pennsylvania22apr22,0,6842509.story

:shrug:

Call it battle fatigue.

I prefer Hillary's policy goals, and I place some value on giving everyone the opportunity to vote. I also think that the vigorous campaign won't hurt the nominee, it's good training.

But if I must be honest, if Obama wins PA there is an upside.

And I think you know that, otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned them.

Hillary is expected to win. Obama himself has even said so. But her win will not be what was expected from PA, 6 weeks ago when Team Hillary moved the goalposts after Ohio and Texas didn't turn out to be the "blowouts" they expected either. Her 28 point lead has been shrinking consistently and she'll be lucky to get a win in single digits.

As far as electro-fraud voting goes, that's a given. It's all done on machines and there's no way to ensure accuracy. If you can actually defend that, then you are part of the problem. Massive turnout (which would likely favor Obama) can arguably reduce the electrofraud potential, but only if they actually VOTE. How many "glitches" will there be at polling sites, and will Rendell (an obvious Clinton/DLC partisan) actually have the balls to close the polls with thousands of people still waiting in line - because there aren't enough machines to handle the crowds efficiently.

And yes, a ballot without Obama's name on it is absolutely inexcuseable. Wonder what Rendell's spin on that is gonna be? :eyes:

PRICELESS!

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Already preparing the spin, though, I see.

I thought it was jumping the gun but their attention spans are getting shorter you know?

Their beating up on the Pirates this past weekend probably soured a lot of Pittsburgh voters on all things Chicago.

"A win for Hillary is a win for McCain"

"A win for Hillary doesn't count"

"Obama's already won, PA didn't count"

Sigh.

We will know all we need to know in a few short hours. No need to slam people for what they MIGHT say. That's just silly.

"Hillary can't win"

"Hillary needs to drop out now!"

"Hillary is destroying the party!"

"She cheated!"

Hillary should just join the Republicans! (With her 98% lifetime rating from the AFL-CIO)

No-one has been expecting him to win; and just out of curiosity, are you actually afraid of discussion? You don't even bother to respond to anyone who doesn't agree with you. It appears you're only interested in having Obama supporters reply negatively so that you can confirm your opinion of what dreadful people they are. Which in my book makes you a passive-aggressive coward.

Can't wait to hear your excuses then when Obama wins more delegates than Hillary might today and increases his already insurmountable lead.

It'll be sweet to see their delusional arrogance struck down.

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That's WHEN not IF...:loveya:

n/t

...except NOT.

Wasn't this asked yesterday?

This is more Clinton camp spin to turn her failure to hold a 20-point polling lead into an Obama loss.

Once again: Coming out of PA below that percentage gap is a gain for Obama and confirmation that HRC could not hold that lead in what was supposed to have been a Clinton "firewall". End of story and on to NC, where Obama wins.

when she loses.

Oh wait. She hasn't lost any races has she?

to do so...

Clinton is as done and over cooked as a burnt hotdog...

Priceless.

If she pulls ahead and gets the nomination I vote for her. If he maintains his popular lead and gets the nomination I vote for him.

and probably in a big way. :-(

... so sayeth Ed Rendell, a Clinton supporter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/12/rendell-some-whites-won_n_86246.html

She's expected to win.

She still won't win the nom.

Timmy says that the Old Uneducated White Women block want the lady candidate, general election be damned.

Certainly an interesting comment.

I'm comparing that to all the unwavering Hillary supporter groups (here and other places) that I know.

They will somehow link Clinton to voting machine companies.

here at GDP...

The excuses will be conciliatory gestures to HRC supporters, commending them for her surprise win. We'll see you all in NC & IN. :patriot: