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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:20 PM
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McAuliffe lying and the media spinning, Hillary had to win by 20 pts or more
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 08:21 PM by ProSense
Hillary:

by 20 pts. net: 32 delegates
by 10 pts. net: 16 delegates
by 6 pts. net: 12 delegates
by 4 pts. net: 6 delegates

Obama leads by 142 delegates

Delegate counts; Hillary by (in parentheses):

................................Hillary......Obama
current.......................1508.........1650
plus PA (60%).................95............63
total..........................1603.........1713
Obama + 110

................................Hillary......Obama
current.......................1508.........1650
plus PA (55%).................87............71
total..........................1595.........1721
Obama + 126

................................Hillary......Obama
current.......................1508.........1650
plus PA (56%).................85............73
total..........................1593.........1723
Obama + 133

................................Hillary......Obama
current.......................1508.........1650
plus PA (54%).................82............76
total..........................1590.........1726
Obama + 136

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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:21 PM
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1. k-r. the lying media is propping up Hillary.
They like the added excitement plus they must have Hillary in their pocket later.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:48 PM
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25. Obama continues to SPEND money on media buys, too. Newsmedia KNEW this was over Super Tuesday
and they want Hillary to keep dividing the party and hurting Obama so Dems DON'T completely wash out the GOPs in November.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:22 PM
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2. Obama couldn't win at all........
so, she did good! Remember, delegates are like poker chips...they can move about the table and believe me....they will pile-up for Hillary by June 1st.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:22 PM
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3. She won. She beat Obama's ass. The media isn't spinning anything.
This is going on until June and then the convention.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:32 PM
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6. Is she winning? Can she win? Obama has won 30 states to Hillary's 14
He leading her on every metric.

She has lost, face it.

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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:47 PM
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8. So Obama won a bunch of red states?
Big deal.

He won Alaska and Idaho and South Dakota? Whoop de doo.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:50 PM
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12. lol, I thought you guys gave up that "Obama states don't count" business. Still pluggin' away I see
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:01 PM
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13. Their demi-god...
Terry McAuliffe said on CNN that Clinton has "won all the states that matter." I think that should be Headline news, don't you?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:02 PM
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14. And if there's one guy who knows how to win, it's Terry McAuliffe. We had a perfect record
under him. Didn't win one election.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:10 PM
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18. Yeah, and we have DEMOCRATS in those states you 20-state-party FOOL !
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:59 PM
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26. Fuck you
Who's the "elitist" now?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:47 PM
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9. The delegate math looks worse now than it did yesterday. That's not a win for her.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:47 PM
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10. Neither candidate will reach 2025.
This is going to the convention.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:50 PM
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11. Obviously not. But the gap in Obama's favor is even harder to close than it was.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:03 PM
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15. So? Obama still hasn't clinched the nomination.
Hillary is in a much better position than she was yesterday. She has a huge win in Pennsylvania as part of her resume.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:41 PM
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19. "Hillary is in a much better position than she was yesterday." No, she's worse off.
Because she didn't win PA by 20 pts, she could win the remaining contest by 20 pts and she would still lose.




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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:42 PM
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24. Better? Hardly. Before PA, she had to win each remaining contest by 30%. Now,
even if she does that she loses.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:09 PM
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16. BS, Hillary can't win.
She can't take the lead in pledged delegates and the superdelegates delegates can't make up her deficit

Unlike Obama, who will likely come out of PA with 1721 votes, the remaining superdelegates would put him at 2042, that's 18 more delegates than needed.

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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:35 PM
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23. I am so glad that you are totally wrong.
I'm glad I don't live in the world of your imagining.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:41 AM
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27. Any spin that can be used to claim it isn't over will be used, but
it's over.


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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:23 PM
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4. K/R.
:kick:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:24 PM
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5. K & R
:thumbsup:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:46 PM
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7. The changing the goal post argument goes out the window with a 10% or less win
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 08:47 PM by ProSense
So that projection gives Clinton a net gain of 167,500 popular votes for the rest of the remaining primaries -- if everything plays out by the projections above. Obviously, we encourage folks to play around with these numbers themselves. So Team Clinton couldn't get there with also adding Florida; they'd need Michigan, too... and maybe even try and count total Puerto Rico votes -- which, turnout-wise could look like Oregon, but in reverse. So MAYBE she could net another 60,000 votes out of Puerto Rico. Of course, if Clinton gets a big win out of Pennsylvania, she might be able to narrow the gap in places like North Carolina and Oregon and then suddenly her net popular vote take could increase. To have ANY chance of selling legitimacy to this popular vote game, she'll need to cut his lead without the use of Michigan. Maybe, she can include Florida; there are a chunk of superdelegates who would give her that, but most will not give her Michigan. So she needs to more than double the projected popular vote totals we've come up with to even start the popular vote conversation.

link


And Florida can't help. It was a BS argument any. This is about delegates, not Hillary's coronation.

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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:09 PM
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17. Obama: "A win is 50 plus 1"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:43 PM
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20. No one is trying to redefine a win. She won, it wasn't enough, and
put her in an even worse position than she was yesterday.

Her hill got steeper and she is broke.

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:49 PM
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21. Yeah, it is amaizing how th blow-out she needed and didn't get isn't even being discussed.
Instead they are talking about what a fighter she is. Only thing is she isn't too smart, because she is fighting a losing battle.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:30 PM
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22. All the remaining contest will end with an excuse from Hillary's campaign, but
she has lost the delegate battle. That will not change.




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