I am a Hillary supporter, but Obama's speech a minute ago in Indiana truly inspired me to tears.

It truly is a difficult choice for me.

I'm happy for the Obama supporters.
He is one helluva candidate.
I'll play nice for now on.

I can finally say with honesty that I
will be happy if either candidate wins.

last week?

I appreciate the OPs thread. But I don't appreciate the comment I responded to.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5633205&mesg_id=5633227

Or is your criticism reserved only for Obama supporters?

Waiting...

:hi:

They were all good. I'll admit HRC was my least favorite, but I'll take her if that's what I'm given.

However, I do enjoy needling some of her supporters. Well, just one of them really. Maybe I'll get lucky and he'll post here.

Nice candidates that don't win suck eggs.
Obama sucks eggs because he's damaged goods.
Biden had half a shot, Edwards too, Clinton as well... the rest were wall paper.
Obama comes with big baggage that wasn't revealed until it was too late, and the debate showed how weak he really is.
Pitiful.

Super Delegates for Hillary.
It's our only hope because Obama's too flawed to appeal to the swing voters we desperately need.

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Seemed kind of foolish to me at the time, but her honesty was refreshing.

The thing about baggage is this: even if people have already picked through her
baggage over and over, as she said, she's still carrying it around with her. She
won't be able to leave it behind. Bill is also part of that baggage, and too many
people seriously don't want to see him back in the WH.

1. It is old stuff. New stuff like the Balkans gaff is minor compared to Obama.
2. Hers doesn't include a 20-year mentor screaming "God Damn America" after 911.
3. She isn't associated with a terrorist.
4. She tells you what she thinks. He really doesn't.
5. You don't have tape of her saying those people are bitter and cling to their guns and religion. The swing voters we need to win.

Yes, there is baggage, and then there is Obama's lead laden baggage.

peace

But this will probably be your second stay on my ignore list. Bye. :hi:

Keep an open mind.

It's where people try to sway others.
That's the nature of winning.
Convincing people. Explaining a vision.
Selling.
Obama sold us Hope, Change, Unite.
It was good for a while and I was leaning towards him.
But after Wright, Ayers, his wife, Rezko... his message rings a wee bit hollow.
Winning means convincing, remember that?
Well... He won't win the swing voters with the baggage above.

So, I'm supporting Hillary.
Because I think she can win, and be "the decider."

By clicking ignore, you aren't open to "change".
I did. Maybe you can too when you see that Hillary's baggage was handled during their 1st go.
What new stuff do they have?
Nada.

Super Delegates: Vote Hillary

My name is not Hillary Clinton but I'd approve the above for an ad. :)

:9

either one of these excellent candidates will devour McCain when it comes to rhetorical excellence.

I thought Clinton's speech was good as well.

another right winger swinging the Supreme Court. Or just put a fork in the US.

he will make a great president when he makes it to the white house next year.

onward.

:thumbsup:

I am glad for this post by you BigBearJohn. :patriot:

Or the honest one.

What the hell is so difficult.

Barack shamed me tonight in his speech.

He reminded me that neither he nor we, his supporters, are here for politics. We are here for much more important reasons and to play games is to trivialize the importance of all of this.

I will try to be as good and serious and ethical as he has been.

Thanks for sharing.

"Not here for the politics"? OMG, and you BOUGHT it?

Good, sweet Lord.

NT!

...that's why

when he was in Oregon, I listened to his speeches and was in tears half way through. Truth is, I love them both for different reasons. Obama is a great candidate and am leaning toward him but if Hillary get's it, I'll vote for her.
As long as we Democrats take back control and straighten out the mess Dubya has gotten us into!

:hi:

It was powerful, I agree. :-)

that you didn't listen to his speech last night. If you did listen, you certainly didn't hear what he was saying.

Peace.

Why?

Seriously. It's not like you can deny the evidence that she lied about Tuzla, or her support for NAFTA.

you can't forgive Hillary? Remember he lied about knowing Rezsko? Whether he did anything illegal or not...he absolutely denied knowing him. Big lie!
He lied about knowing what Write was saying and when he knew how he thought. Those lies are more important than things like Tuzla. Prove she supported NAFTA anymore than Obama. Oh, he also lied about what he told the Canadians re NAFTA and he lied about what he told us his views were. I could go on but that should suffice. Now why can't you forgive Hillary...but you can forgive the one who tells more important lies?

Do not be fooled by the canned speechifying.

He has not united the Democratic Party. If he had, Hillary would not have won tonight by any margin whatsoever.

IMHO

thanks for sharing

I heard it. And found Obama the last guy to be chastising others for "silliness" and "tit for tat" after brushing the the opinions of others off his shoulders like dandruff

Still I say good luck to the both of them :patriot:

How about their bird droppings? He wasn't brushing off their opinions, the brush-off was in response to the negative attacks, smears and nonsensical debate questions.

Anything that ruffles BHO's feathers is considered "a negative attack". He's thin skinned. His supporters have even thinner skin. Obama has been on a meteoric rise these last few, slight years ergo not very used to challenges unless you consider Alan Keyes a challenge :eyes: Nor is he able to digest them. So he comes off as brittle, which he disguises behind jukes, jibes, and the very silliness he decries in others = hypocrisy!

I will try to play nice as well, I think we should call a cease fire on anything to do with racism/sexism, ayers/farrakhan (sp?), any form of ad hominem/femina attacks on either candidate....
Issues are still, of course, fair game...
:toast:

Look forward to having you on our team in the near future.

at what we are seeing
i know its poorly expressed sometimes here
but i think hes our best chance to actually effect a long lasting political climate change
thanks for letting him talk to you and please listen again



and read these replies too
might be further eye opening

Open minds are the best minds, and it means a great deal to hear it. And an excellent way to ask for civility here, recalling that we are all on the same side. Thanks.

everyone (Hillary and Obama volunteers) will benefit the entire party. She said she likes what she heard.

A toast for the fallen :toast:

I'm an Obama supporter, but I'll be euphoric if either of our candidates defeats John McCain in November! An Obama or Clinton Presidency would drive the right wing absolutely nuts!

I wish people would keep in mind just how important the ability to make a moving speech is for a president. Presidents really don't have much legislative power, only the ability to veto and utilize the bully pulpit (assuming a non-corrupt president who doesn't misuse signing statements). Hillary and Obama can bicker all they want about the details of their health care plans, their differences are far smaller than the difference between either one and what will get to their desk for signing. A president needs to be able to lead and inspire, and Obama does those things better than any democrat I've seen in my 38 years.

I'll concede that Hillary is a better policy wonk than Obama, but I don't see how that helps a president. Yes, it's great in the Senate, but the president doesn't really have that much control over the details of legislation.

it is a kind one. Im so happy that there are so many classy DUers here.

I like the two I have, thanks ...

NEITHER are perfect ... but they are AT LEAST far better than the alternative from the other party ...

Obama or Hillary ? .... Hillary or Obama ? ... We suffer an embarrassment of riches, practically speaking ...

ALL this energy should have been expended on attacking the GOP record, and on the utter failure of conservatism to elevate a nation, .. again ...

This battle is magnified by the condensation and sublimation of individual personal frustration, I believe .. people HATE what has happened, and are now lashing out in disgust ....

There is alot riding on this one .... Winning the office of President is more important than splitting into camps and engaging in internecine war ...

BOTH Candidates aren't perfect, but they're FAR better than Johnnie boy ....

We have cookies!

and he gave a speech that really had some emotion.

A lot of us have sympathies for both candidates. Whoever is the eventual nominee, there will always be some regret at the tone of the campaign and the realization that one of the two excellent and historic candidates will have to bow out.

I wish I could feel that way about Hillary. I mean that!


Hope you had a happy Earth Day. (finally some nice weather, eh?)

:hi:

It's good to see graciousness, I would like to see more of that in this race. Congratulations to Hillary on winning PA.

That said...

OBAMA '08! ;)

and decided to drink the kool aid and join the cult.

Thought Clinton did fine with hers.

Never mind, I was born with a great big wooden spoon in my hand - Thanks for your OP