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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:48 AM
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Obama Campaign must DO OR DIE in Indiana
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 12:59 AM by Sensitivity
The claim by Hillary supporters that the attack on Obama’s character and competence is just “good vetting” is a lie. This vetting–by-smear does not compare in any way to attacks that the Republican Enemy could launch. Why? Because the critique of an enemy does not have the credibility of devastating “confession” of doubts about your character, or ability to “understand” the values of regular Americans, from someone who professes to be your “friend.” Hillary’s promotion of derogatory insinuations against Obama gives these smears the cloak of truth when expanded upon by the Republicans.

To secure the hope of his candidacy Obama must now, in Indiana, do what he is most loath to do – destroy decisively any hope for her candidacy.

But he must.

Winning a few states like N. Carolina or Oregon that "don't count" will not redress the harm to the chances of success against McCain that will be done by Hillary's demeaning and destructive campaign propaganda in State after State. He must now treat her not as “a friend” as an enemy. He must expose her as the fraud and pretender to power that she is.

Hillary has become a powerful and mortal enemy. It really is destroy or stand by while the dream he claims to represent is destroyed.

If Hillary Clinton remains credible her daily validation of the basic line of Republican attack – that the nation would be at grave risk with an Obama Presidency – will destroy his own general election viability. Hillary is doing to Obama exactly what the swift-boat liars did to John Kerry, but potentially with greater effect since she is a leader of Obama’s own party.


Hillary has broken and repeatedly smashed what Gary Hart called the “final rule.” She has repeatedly depicted him as less competent, less credible and, yes, less patriotic than the Republican nominee, John McCain. Obama must now either acquiesce to Hillary’s “gracious” offer of a V.P. role on a “unity ticket,” or begin a new determined campaign, in this Indiana primary, to totally destroy her credibility with the American people.


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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:51 AM
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1. You are joking, right?


You DO realize the only way HRC can win now is if she wins every state by a massive margin ... Obama is still way ahead.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:04 AM
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6. Clinton camp has already dismissed the "NUMBERS." Super delegates must now just use "Judgement"
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:08 AM
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8. Yeah, all those silly numbers ... we can wish them away and bully the SDs instead!
There's a great idea! :eyes:
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:16 AM
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11. Who gets to dismiss the numbers?
She's not like the Empress, or the Holy Mother. I think she is fairly realistic about the numbers, as are the superdelegates (who are just people, really, who read the news and have to answer to their spouses and kids and so forth).
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:58 AM
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16. The Clintons feel they OWN THE PARTY and it is clear they are willing to have their way
-- Fuck the "rules"
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:31 AM
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19. Pretty soon she will be able to say that she has the lead in the popular vote.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:22 PM
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23. She just said it.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:52 AM
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2. Incompetent and unaccomplished doesn't get BO nominated for...........
Democratic Presidential candidate.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:52 AM
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3. He. Needs. To. Destroy. Her.
My suggestion? Define her as a liar. Take all her position switches and put them in an ad.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:05 AM
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7. No, he doesn't. It IS over. He needs to start acting like it and take on
McCain.

Let everyone else take care of Clinton.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:08 AM
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17. He already did.
It's only a matter of time now before Obama claims that magic number of 1,627 pledged delegates and takes the nomination.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:05 AM
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21. Actually I think he should pretty much ignore her.
And concentrate on McCain.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:38 AM
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22. While she destroys his credibility as a candidate -- SURE WIN FOR MCCAIN
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:55 AM
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4. He needs to win IN or blow her out 20+ in NC to get mojo into the convention
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:02 AM
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5. I said before Texas and Ohio that he has sort of backed himself into a corner.
When she first went really negative. He has put himself above the petty nonsense and bullshit gutter politics and cannot practice those type of attacks. She can do it all she wants because she never based her campaign on not doing it and if Barack turns around and gives her what she deserves he looks like a hypocrite. The high road is a tough road to travel because no one else is going to take it, particularly not Clinton or the RW who fight the same way.

He really could have killed her with the Bosnia lie but he didn't. He could have went after her hardcore on the Columbian trade deal and Penn's involvement but didn't. He's going to live or die with his new brand of politics. He will not step on her throat as she deserves and she knows it. And it may cost him, and all of us, in the end. But it might not, if he can get through this trial by fire and come out clean at the end, he may well indeed change the way Washington politics work.

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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:21 AM
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12. But new kind of politics does not mean being a "pussy" as Imus calls it.
Hillary is part of the problem. Does Obama have the toughness to deal with it.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:38 AM
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14. Oftentimes being honorable makes you look like a pussy even if you aren't one.
It means you can't hit back below the belt when you are hit there. It means you have to suffer ridiculous attacks about meaningless things without responding in like kind. I loved when he did the shoulder brush after that fiasco of a debate last week but he might have done better to rip her fucking head off. Negative works with the nimrods in this country and he has painted himself into a corner by limiting what his campaign can do. It can still work out in the end though and that is what we have to hope for. In the general his surrogates can go fucking crazy on McCain while he stays above it.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:11 AM
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9. It's sad isn't it? he runs the table with 11 in a row and gets a few days
of congrats..and all the media does is give video cpr to Miss Havisham every day about how she can "still win"..and when she finally wins a state she was projected to win, all of a sudden it's Obama who "has to win this or has to win that"..

And the worst part is having to watch barnicle, buchanan, scarborough, ford, bennet, and all the rest oozing praise for hillary ..as if they really liked her..

She's so out of the loop it's not even funny anymore.. she thinks they LIKE her... they just want her in so they can rip her to shreds...


OMG...

She's not Miss Havisham, after all.. she's Carrie..the oldster version...
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:14 AM
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10. I don't think he should change a thing...
He doesn't have to "close the deal" with any particular win, he just has to run out the clock while he's in the lead.

And he will by doing exactly what he's doing right now.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:32 PM
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24. What do you recommend when the NEGATIVE SMEARS begin in Indiana
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:37 AM
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13. Love to see Mr. goody goody hope & change transform into a lunatic.
Better now than later.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:42 AM
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15. The Clintons seem manic about winning no matter the destruction. A 527 may
be needed to expose them and put an end to this disaster in the making.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:28 AM
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18. I don't live in PA
but I got the impression that some of his ads already slipped into negative territory towards the end of the race.

So, he's already crossed that line in some sense. On the other hand, you did not see him making speeches railing against Clinton on divisive wedge issues. I hope he will continue to maintain the high road as much as possible, but he may need to rely on judicious use of negativity as he did in PA.

The race will be over after May 6, so I hope he will maintain his dignity as best as possible. That is a core part of his appeal.

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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:52 AM
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20. He will pay a huge price for dignity. And so will we. Bill and Hill will make it look like something
nasty
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