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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:56 PM
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"If you count the votes in Michigan..."
Hello, Hillary! You DON'T count the votes in MI! No need to even complete the sentence! If pigs could fly, my bacon would have wings!
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:58 PM
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1. if she counts the votes in MI.
They damn well better give the uncommitted vote( or a percentage of)to Obama.Over 200,000 thousand people voted uncommitted .
Will you disenfranchise us Hillary.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:59 PM
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2. This is why Hillary discouraged a revote in MI.

She already had 55% to 0%. What are the odds she would have gotten more than 55% in a revote? And the odds of beating Obama in Michigan by more than that 55% margin was impossible.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:03 PM
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7. Yup. But of course, it's all OBAMA'S fault that there wasn't...and they're totally
ignoring the fact that Hillary signed a PLEDGE acknowledging MI wouldn't count!
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:11 PM
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14. I actually think Obama would win if the primary or a caucus
were redone today. The turnout at our district conventions was overwhelmingly for him.
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LittleFarter Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:00 PM
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3. Obama voters were DISENFRANCHISED in Michigan
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:04 PM
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9. Yes they were. He followed the rules and now is getting attacked for it. Hillary's
shameless.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:01 PM
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4. "122,000 more people have voted for Hillary Clinton than for Barack Obama."
So says Terry McAuliffe, who counts MI and FL, blaming OBAMA for taking his name off the ballot in MI! :eyes:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:56 PM
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39. He's lying I am in Michigan...
and I didn't vote because they said it wouldn't count...
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:01 PM
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5. No, YOU don't count the votes from Michigan
Hillary Clinton does whatever she damn well pleases (under sniper fire) :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:05 PM
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12. Exactly...
and we need to get the word to the media that she did not win by "double digits," but 9% (so far): http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:25 PM
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18. okay, but only if you finish every sentence you write about Hillary Clinton
with the words (under sniper fire) after them :P

Hey, in Binary I think she won by 1001!
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:02 PM
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6. If you count the votes on Mars
Hillary wins the popular vote! :rofl:



"GO HILLARY!"
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:04 PM
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8. Everyone knew the rules...everyone knows the rules..
The delusional spin and imagination of the Clinton campaign aside--Michigan and Florida are out of it. As a Michigander-I know the primary was flawed and defective--so you can't count those votes.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:04 PM
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10. If you count the votes in MI, I would actually have gone and voted
:eyes:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:09 PM
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13. Yup. Wasn't there a study done saying over 2 million people did NOT vote knowing their votes
wouldn't count?
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:28 PM
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21. There were also those who went to play on the Republican side...
...thinking the Dem primary was worthless.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:43 PM
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31. Yup. But Hillary doesn't care. n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:05 PM
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11. Pssst . . . Hillary . . . I hear aliens voted on the moon. nt
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:18 PM
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15. kick n/t
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:19 PM
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16. Right, we definitely should exclude an entire state from the process.
That's reasonable.
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:28 PM
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20. so its some how fair for Hillary to claim
a 55% to 0% victory over Obama.I notice none of you mind if I'm disenfranchised.
Over 200,000 came out to vote uncommitted against hillary when we knew it didn't even count.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:33 PM
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23. And several Hillary voters stayed home as well, knowing it wouldn't matter.
The point is that she was on the ticket, and she won. If it cannot be redone, then that's what we have. To not allow any single vote in that state to count is ludicrous.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:37 PM
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27. Here's whats "ludicrous"....pretending that we should change the rules from "delegates count" to
popular vote declares the nominee just beacuse its the only thing Hillary has to hang on to. Thats completely, out of your head, "ludicris".
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:40 PM
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29. I don't understand the word "ludicris"
:shrug:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:52 PM
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34. So I misspelled a word. You still can't rebut my post.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:54 PM
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38. You intentionally took a word I spelled correctly, then misspelled it and put it in quotes?
Why? I don't understand that at all.
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:42 PM
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30. I never said anything about people not voting
what about the over 200,000 people who did vote that Hillary wants to ignore. Over 200,000 democrats in Mi came out to vote uncommitted I believe it was 45%. Some how counting only Hillarys vote seems to be disenfranchising 45% of the michigan primary voters .
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:46 PM
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32. I agree. All the votes should be counted. Hillary's and the write--ins.
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:51 PM
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33. Just to clarify
Do you mean uncommitted or write in.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:54 PM
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37. Write-ins of course. Uncommitted doesn't necessarily mean Obama.
That would be unfair to count them as Obama votes.






LOL
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:57 PM
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40. so 45% should not be counted at all?
well If that happens good luck in Michigan Hillary. You will need it.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:04 PM
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43. They should have written in their vote.
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:17 PM
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46. So in other words yes they should disregard 45% of Mi
primary voters.
well like I said good luck with that in November.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:25 PM
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47. round and round we go. The point is that all voters in MI are being disenfranchised.
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:09 PM
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49. write-ins were not counted
FYI in the MI primary, if you wrote in a vote it was not counted. that is why the high % of uncommitted votes.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:18 PM
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50. People who vote for Obama don't count.
Haven't you learned that by now? :eyes:

and yes, the agents of Hillarity don't give a shit about you.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:30 PM
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22. It was AGREED that it wouldn't count. They both signed a pledge saying so, since MI broke the rules
and tried to push their primary up.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:34 PM
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24. delete-dupe
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 01:35 PM by jenmito
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:22 PM
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17. Man they act like a bunch of hoods sometimes.
The party needs to be about real elections, not fraudulent outcomes.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:34 PM
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25. Agreed, it seems Obama and Clinton both come across that way at times.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:28 PM
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19. If you count the straw poll at the recent Rodham family reunion
Hillary is closing the gap and has big mo on her side. Unfortunately, Obama wants to disenfranchise the voters at the Rodham family reunion because he hates America.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:35 PM
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26. and the votes from Neptune & Uranus
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:39 PM
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28. I agree. MI cannot be included in pop vote totals.
Obama was not on the ballot and you can't hand him all the Uncommitted votes since Edwards encouraged his supporters to also vote that way.

FL could be treated as a straw poll.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:53 PM
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35. Actually, YOU must not have read teh rules very well.
and i think you should. Florida and Michigan AT WORST will only have half their delegates unseated.

sorry to tell you teh rules.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:59 PM
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42. "Teh" rules were that MI and FL wouldn't count. Sorry to tell YOU "teh" rules.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:53 PM
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36. Not only that, Hillary Clinton is excluding the caucuses which Obama has dominated!
The spin goes on
Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:07 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's John Boxley

EN ROUTE TO INDIANA -- The new spin we are hearing from the Clinton campaign today is that more people have now cast votes for Clinton than Obama, when you include MI and FL AND exclude the caucuses which Obama has dominated. (See earlier post on the popular vote logic.)

The campaign also said, fundraising continues to grow, now at $3.5 million since last night and rising with the campaign claiming that 80 percent of these donations are from first-time contributors.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/23/937383.aspx
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:58 PM
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41. YEAH! I heard that, too!
They have some nerve!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:15 PM
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44. The Clintons truly believe that "It's her turn!"Remember when she told Couric,"Well, it will be me."
No matter the damage to the party or our nominee. It's all about her.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:04 PM
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48. Yes-I remember that...
she adjusts her message as she finds necessary.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:17 PM
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45. Flying ham sandwiches for lunch for everyone!
:rofl:

Good one, jenmito!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:29 PM
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51. Thanks, Major Hogwash!
:D :hi:
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