There is one thing I WILL NOT TOLERATE from our candidates.

I expect them to put a positive spin on one thing and a negative on another and stretch boundaries of credulity, but lying is just flat-out intolerable.

Today we had the Clinton and her spokescronies out on the field claiming she has won the popular vote. No matter how you slice it, it's just simply a lie. You can put as much lipstick on that pig as you want, but it simply isn't a fact. People were told in Michigan and Florida their votes wouldn't count long before those polls, so adding them to pad your total is an alteration of reality and effectively disenfranchises the people who didn't vote because they trusted the promise of their party and the candidates.

There hasn't been a popular vote. Iowa, Washington, Maine, and Nevada have no vote to be tallied.

If she want to LIE and claim she is ahead in popular votes, then she effectively says that she is disenfranchising the voices of 4 states.

We don't need this kind of fuzzy math. There are rules and a candidate of this party can either play by them or form their own party.

If this is the kind of game the Clinton camp wants to play and the party accepts it and makes her the nominee based on disenfranchisement and creative accounting, then what happens in November is irrelevant because we have become exactly the kind of scum that we claim to hate and there is now only one party in this country.

Pick a side.

big time today. Just one more tactic in a Republican play book.

lie about anything from Bosnian Sniper Fire to "winning the popular" vote to shill herself.

She is disgusting beyond words. I'm sick of her and her lies.

the Republicans use them as talking points too. The RW Wurlitzer is being pumped up.

Terry Mac always spins. Always.

There should be a truth-in-advertising law
for the candidates, their campaigns and last
but not least their campaign ads!

i.e. If it's not true, you can't state it is.

I know the spin doctors would be working in
overdrive but still,

Wouldn't that be a refreshing change, not having
to shoveling through all the garbage?

This goes for everyone, period!

1. everyone with a brain in their head will see it for the sham argument it is. Including Florida is one thing, but counting Michigan is pretty damn silly given the unique conditions there. (and FWIW, I've said for a long time that the easiest solution for those two states is to give Clinton and Obama the delgates they won, Edwards' delegates in FL a free vote, and I think we can assume the undecideds in MI are oging to end up in Obama's tally).

2. (much more important) let her have her victory dance. Clap and cheer her along. Then watch her try to explain how she lost the popular vote 'lead' after IN and NC.

It's like a car race, where both cars lap around and around the track. Clinton has just put in a better lap time than Obama thanks to her victory in PA, but the fact remains he's many laps ahead and still has more fuel on board.

...back to their slime pit and we'll never hear from either of them again.

it needs to go now.

That's what I'm talkin' about.

She needs to GTF out of the way!

It went 248,780 for OBama, 235,583 for Hillary. That is seperate from the aproximately 168800 that went for Obama and 77975 that went for Hillary at the caucuses

Other than that, I tend to agree with you. If every state had a primary instead of a caucus, Hillary would be closer in delegates, but much further behind in popular vote.

I went to the caucus, but I saw no point in casting a ballot for the primary.

I am an independant so couldn't caucus. But I helped hold down the fort at work so others could go and caucus. :)

If the biggest spot on the local ballot is someone running unopposed, why should I bother to vote?

I am perhaps a bit compulsive about taking my "responsibilities" as a citizen seriously, but the local votes are pretty damn important, I think. They set the stage for the higher up stuff that comes later.

I dunno. I think maybe my thoughts are colored by a recent election where I used to live where a slightly crazy but well intentioned older gentleman(who happened to be my father) won a city council spot by 3 votes on a write in campaign. I guess down across the border here its a little easier though. 100% vote by mail, so you can do it all at home at your leisure. I am pretty used to it now. Like not having to pump my own gas, or pay sales tax. No wonder I'm apparently an elitist.

...If the Democrats want to win in November, we cannot allow Hillary and Bill to continue to spew their bigotry and hatred for anybody who has the mendacity to not vote for them. African-Americans, Obama supporters, young people, people from the South--all insulted by Hillary because they wouldn't support her.

ENOUGH. The DNC needs to rein in that shrew harpy, or be prepared for mass exodus from the Democratic Party by the voters she has insulted.

anymore that defines the Clintons. :-(

lie.

I'm with you. We've had too much outright lying for too long and now it appears that this is becoming acceptable to people. Not to me. I'm tired of the liars.