Randi Rhodes Is Not Helping Obama

as a matter of fact, I'd go as far to say she's hurting our guy first with her nasty ass name calling of Sen. Clinton and now calling her supporters "white trash".

Hillary's women aren't digging this at all and it's seen as the media, even the so-called liberal media beating up on her, and we all know how women have responded when their girl is getting kicked around. We don't know how many women in PA caught wind of the "big fucking whore" comment and were furious. You think Hillary sites weren't passing Rhodes comments around to each other and women who were possibly on the fence?

Cheer leading Randi's tackiness on DU and other liberal sites is making matters worse for Obama and dividing us.

She is not, I repeat not a comedian so excusing her as "just joking" doesn't work.

I am getting so tired of the censorship that is permeating this campaign.

and she's hurting our guy!

Criticizing her is muzzling her? It's censorship? It violates her right to free speech?

That's ludicrous.

Clinton supporters should cheer her onto the next open mouth sewer display.

But seriously - foul mouth ranting helps no-one. RR has lost all credibility.

what a crock. I hate bullshit whatever side it's dispensed from.

And your denial of that is bullshit regardless of which orifice you dispense it from.

Besides, an employer not permitting certain things to be said is not "muzzling free speech."

By calling her on her usual bullshit? Heaven forbid.

I had posted this earlier and actually had people defending her. (sigh)

And judging from her recent behavior, she's got problems she needs to handle to salvage her career.

just listen, she will tell you over and over and over again!

Entertainment is all about the illusion you create for your audience, right?

I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I've found Rhodes unlistenable for a looong time. Her show's all about her, and she treats her callers like crap.

as an opportunity to get a handle on those obvious issues to which you refer.

one person in a thousand in this country even know who she is. I never heard of her until I started reading this site.

national radio show and the internet(s) a powerful force - you know that by now!

Free country. Sort of... You got a problem with her? Take it up with her. She's easy to get a hold of.

to callers, I'd be afraid to call her. She scares me, just like Hillary scares me.

I listen to her sometimes, she's abrasive as hell and I need to be in the mood. But there is a place for her, a need. It's easy to forget all the shit, all the scandals, all the bodies, all the money, you just can't think about all that stuff all day long, you'll go nuts. That's Randi's job. To think about all the crap all day long. If that was all I had to do I'd be pissed off all the time too.

you think she gives a shit what I think? No, this is a woman who is so into herself, she relates everything that happens in the world back to her personally. I'll never forget one day when she said "the Iraq occupation has now lasted as long as "she" was married"

I won't point out the irony here.

about how you never listen to her, but funny how you always know what she says on a daily basis.

Get over it. You will only end up wasting the next 10 years or more of your life wishing Randi into the corn field.

moron and shouldn't be voting in the first place.

Today, on Ed Schultz, Hillary callers were encouraged to call in. Every one of them were furious with Ed for his rants against Hillary, and Randi was mentioned a couple of times. So are those the people you're calling morons?

those people are fucking morons.

I don't blame Hillary for the bullshit Taylor Marsh or those other hacks say. I judge her on her own actions, her own words, and the actions of her campaign.

although Hillary is doing a hell of a job of shooting herself in the foot.

shooting herself in the foot seems to work in some states.

... is equally stupid, right? I mean she's no less full of shit when she says that Obama is a great leader as she is when she says that Hillary's supporters are white trash, right?

It really doesn't matter what Krugman and Olberman and Steinem and Moore or anyone says, right? It should all be equally discounted?

When I hear this argument, it's always really selective. We should only ignore what Obama supporters say, further, we should only ignore them when they say stupid shit.

Do some self-policing here guys. You are massively and deliberately alienating the very voters which we need in November.

I'll give you that...what you said in the first sentence.

Calling her a fucking whore was wrong, wrong, wrong and stupid, stupid, stupid. She lost her job, 1/2 her listeners and we are massively and deliberately alienating the very voters which we need in November.

... because of the behavior of some other DUers.

Please explain to me why the words of Randi Rhodes bothers you so yet I haven't seen you post a thread on how shocking it is that Hillary graciously accepts the endorsement of Scaife and calls him a gentlemen after he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to try to destroy her and bill and the democratic party.

I don't understand the disconnect.

Why is Rhodes so evil yet Scaife is given a pass and is even embraced after all he did to the clintons and the party?

but her words aren't helping my candidate. That's all I care about - Hillary wants to cozy up to snakes like Scaife, because she's desperate, that's her problem.

How can the words of an entertainer even compare to the slime of Scaife?

They don't, they aren't even close. Rhodes words are a mark against Rhodes. Scaife's words, those he funding and promoted for years against the clintons, will be used against the clintons for as long as they live.

He is an asshole, but he buys ink by the barrel. Do you think that Obama prefers that she get that newspaper endorsement?

On second thought, he might - which is one of the personality traits that I dislike in Obama. It is beneath his dignity to accept some kinds of supporters, like Gavin Newsome.

She calls him a gentleman now and spoke of redemption and her cozying up to him as a proof that she is a uniter.

she's pissed off 50% of her previous listeners, some of whom may never come back, some of whom may never vote for Obama in remaning primaries or GE.

I can't respect any woman (especially an educated supposedly progressive one) who can look at the behavior of her campaign and say to herself "that's okay with me!"

I don't approve of what Randi said but I'm also not going to coddle people who want to turn a deaf ear to the racist code words that are flying from the Clinton camp.

Besides, Randi Rhodes is not an official representative of the Obama campaign. If Obama supporters are going to be held responsible for everything she says, then in fairness Clinton supporters should have to answer for Howard Stern, who supports Hillary.

in people's perception. I agree with the OP. She's not helping in any way.

Hell, she got preempted on Larry King because of a Dead White Woman story! At any rate, the Clinton camp has no room to talk considering how Hillary's racked up the endorsements of such paragons of decorum as Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Bob Johnson (BET), and Howard Stern. Let's not even start on Murdoch and Scaife.

Wtf are you talking about?????

...remove that pink triangle? Isn't it far past time?

You'd be surprised at how many LGBTs don't buy it.

I wear the pink triangle in honor of a friend.

BTW, you'd be surprised how many people in the LGBT and supporters community don't appreciate having Hillary Clinton shoved down their throats.

And smart enough to know that the Clintons have exploited the gay community.

You may be a friend to your friend, but you have never been a friend to the LGBT community for as long as you've been on DU. You dismiss the very real concerns of every LGBT DUer as long as they don't agree with yours. You seem to think you know everything there is about being LGBT, and you seem to think you know what's in our best interests, without ever listening to what so many of us have tried to tell you. You may as well be an old white lady trying to tell a young black kid to STFU because you know what's in their best interest.

Tell me, I'm wrong, straight "ally." You can't. You have never walked in my shoes, and you don't know what's best for me. But, goddamn, you sure think you do.

That's why I feel sorry for your "friend."

If Obama can't handle campaigning, then he can withdraw if he wishes. Geez, the guy couldn't even handle a mild mannered Charlie Gibson. All the whining done by his campaign, his supporters and the media about the debate were too funny and pathetic. Where were you people when Hillary was pummeled at every debate by the moderators and those on stage with her?

Who thought she was going to sit on her throne until Feb. 5th.

And um, isn't this thread about that mean ol' Randi Rhodes who gave you Hillary supporters the vapors?

She's entitled to her opinions, but calling a presidential candidate a "big effing whore" is crossing the line.

1) I am not one of "Hillary's women." I am my own woman, thank you very much.

2) You're dead-on-right that Randi "Fucking Whore" Rhodes is laying waste to Obama's image.

3) This brown trash is tempted to tell Randi Rhodes to kiss my ass -- but I won't, because, frankly, that bitch-monster* is not worthy of kissing my ass.

4) NOW do Obama supporters see how other -- especially HIGH-PROFILE -- Obama supporters are completely fucking your guy up? If Barack refuses to publicly slap the shit out of brainless assholes like Rhodes (or Wright, or McClurkin) for the sake of a few votes, or a whole lot of money, or whatever the hell it is Obama thinks he's going to get out of all this, how the bloody hell do you expect us non-"true believers" to put one, single ounce of trust in your guy? Or in you?

Your guy REFUSES to slap down hate-filled shitheads like Rhodes, and Wright, and Meeks, and-- and, and, and, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. (And don't give me any grief about how "right" Wright is; you all know damned well that if a Repuke spewed the same shit as Wright, you'd be all over him like fungus.)

For you Obama supporters who diss those of us who refuse to bow down before the Obama Altar, this old, irrelevant brown trash says:

Suck on this: Qui tacet, consentire videtur.


* Alert on "bitch" on "monster" while you support Obama, and you are a bigger hypocrite than Gingrich, Barr, Hyde, and Limbaugh combined.

so why should he slap her down. He slapped Samantha Power but quick when she called Hillary a monster. You know what's so hypocritical about the Rhodes thing also. It was virtually ignored by media. I saw it in NYT's blog, Newsweek had a little mention, Media Matters - not one word. He may not have heard about it.

Why are you so hostile?

What does this mean?
* Alert on "bitch" on "monster" while you support Obama, and you are a bigger hypocrite than Gingrich, Barr, Hyde, and Limbaugh combined.

You brought this up. You said in your OP: "I'd go as far to say she's hurting our guy first with her nasty ass name calling of Sen. Clinton and now calling her supporters 'white trash'." You are right about that.

And you can call me "hostile" all you like, but the bottom line is that a large faction of your guy's supporters -- Rhodes included -- are simply doing exactly what you fear they are doing: They're pissing me off.

I don't deserve to be marginalized, dismissed, tossed off as some irrelevant, stupid ("undereducated" in ObamaTalk), old "white lady."

Finally, you know perfectly well what I mean by my last sentence. And if you don't, then, man, where have you been? Power may have gotten canned after the "monster" remark, but it's a slam-Hillary-the-monster-bitch free-for-all on DU. And don't try to tell me it isn't.

Haven't seen you in a while....

"slap the shit out of", "slap down"?

Alrighty then. I think you might be missing the point.

Explain to me how "slap the shit out of" and/or "slap down" in the figurative sense is any worse than all the bitch/monster garbage heaped on Hillary, or her supporters, on DU over all these months?

You justify Obama supporters' sexism/misogyny and simultaneous dismissal of all the women on DU who have called Obama supporters on their sexism/misogyny, and I may reconsider my wording.

Until then, I call playing-the-politically-correct-card-only-when-it's-convenient bullshit on you.

Both parties in this fight have had advocates that want to maintain a "pro-wrestling" style of politics.

It can be very entertaining, a fact I cannot deny.

It also is more appropriate for 14-year-olds entertaining themselves than it is for selecting somebody for a job than can, and will (quite literally), kill or not kill thousands of people with the stroke of a pen.

(To add insult to injury, both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama appeared on a recent "wrestling" show).

I don't have to personally justify the sexism/misogyny of portions of the Obama camp, anymore than you have to personally justify the racism of portions of the Clinton camp. We both have our... "less than skillful authors", to put it nicely.

However, what we can both do, is try to drive the discourse beyond the stupefied language of "pro-wrestling", and do something different besides play the GOP game of politics as spectacle. As a people, we're smarter than that, and deserve better than that.

...a rare thing in this place, which is why I post here only when pushed past my limit.

Here's the thing -- the monkey wrench in the machine: I'm not a Hillary supporter. Oh, ya (in my best Frances McDormand "Fargo" accent), I'm a Hillary supporter when the only alternative is Obama. But I am not a native, kneejerk HRC supporter.

Understand: I am a Kucinich supporter (and would be a registered Green if the Green Party would come to its senses about the right way to build a party, from the ground up, but they haven't yet, and so I'm not).

My so-called support of Clinton is by default. In my world, Obama is the worse of the two candidates foisted upon -- and they were both foisted upon ALL of us, by the goddamned, fuck-them, may-they-rot-in-hell DLC. Hillary is the the lesser of the two evils.

Obama fucking HATES having to deal with uppity gay bastards like me... Imagine! Us pissant POS's demanding rights, as if we were as good as Barry and Michelle! How DARE we uppity little shits!

Hillary? Well, she's not our savior -- but she's quicker on the uptake when it comes to realizing that we're not the waste matter at the bottom of the privy Obama insists we are. (You want links, just say. I've blogged Obama since the first minute he decided we are not as good as he and Michelle are.)

Am I a "one-issue voter"? Hell, no. But on all other issues, there is precious little space in which HRC and BHO differ -- they're fucking corporate DLCers, both of them (and don't try to tell me different -- it's true, just as it's true they both lowered themselves to that wrestling appearance)!

So, all other things being equal, what else do I have to go on? I'll tell you what: Who's going to recognize me as a human being, equal to him or her?

Obama has insulted me, hurt me, fucked me over far more than Hillary, ever. (Stop before you bring up Bill -- we are voting for or against Hillary, not her husband, so don't pull that shit).

Do you understand me -- even a bit?

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thanks!

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It helps us. Besides, if she really wants to see white trash, she should look at herself in the mirror.

I guess that Rhodes forgot that the base of the democratic party are those hard working people that made this country what it is today and who she so readily dismisses as "white trash". Then again, she's just as elitist as her leader.

his mother had to go there in his life, so don't be calling Obama an elitist. Kids growing up on food stamps never forget that part, I know.

I don't listen to her that often but I never heard her use that particular appellation. But you seem pretty eager to describe her as such.

She's in Phoenix, with not a lot of people listening.

helps - and Arizona already had their primary. Back then Randi wasn't badmouthing Hillary.

on AA and, also, subscription satellite.

I was a fan of hers for many years, but she's lost the plot over this past year and I can't take the venom anymore. Mike Malloy has, also, begun to disappoint and I, rarely, can stand listening to him for more than a few moments these days.

Generally speaking, they're people who already agree with her on most issues.

how many degrees of separation is that?

now be attributed to Hillary herself.

maybe someone should send Hillary an email and tell her that Taylor Marsh is killing her campaign?

until Hilary steals the Nom?!

Half if the Dems are scandalized? She isn't supported by Half the dems, being so unpopular proves that...

I love Randi, and its a Free country, shes free to say what she wants, and everyone is free to listen or not.

if she had any children that LIVED..

Shame on you, just giving you back what you give to everyone else, jive turkey..

I'm sure the percentage of voters who even know who she is would be pretty small. And the people who listen to her have probably already made their decision.

Leave the trash to the net.

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Seriously. Whoopie's trash mouth didn't do Dean any favors. He had to apologize for her, IIRC.
If Randi has any brains, she would switch tactics.
My first thought when someone is *out of control* like this is, double agent. She really is trying to hurt Obama. I don't trust that.

Here, it's perfectly ok to call women every disgusting name in the book, because women are seen as less than here. It's the sad truth. That's why many of us are so disgusted.

to alienate everyone that doesn't adore Obama to the point of them either not voting or going for McCain if Obama is the nominee

whatever makes them happy

Obama's supporters are his worst enemies.

Yes, O.P. you are correct. Hillary's women are solidifying their union against this kind of trash talking.

Rhodes is out of line.

"Hillary's women don't care about black people"

More baseless charges of racism against anyone who does not support Obama?

even though they are outspoken. Randi is accountable to herself. You may hate her free speech rights and want to silence her but that won't help your candidate.

I was so happy when she left AAR.

Seriously, she was the least informed, least educated talent on AAR.

I really wish she was a Hillary mark.

Randi is highly annoying, and sometimes offensive, but that's her problem and nobody else's. I don't hold Clinton responsible for her fans, either.

But I'm afraid Randi's behavior as of late is all about Randi. Like a Greek tragic hero, she was once great, but her own personal flaws do her in.

She loved the Clintons for many years. Wouldn't talk any less of either of them. And the Clintons respected her. Both would call into the show every so often. When President Clinton came down to Florida for a speaking engagement it was Randi who introduced him (I know because I was there).

And Randi loved the attention from the Clintons. Because Randi, as talented as a radio show host as she was, is a bit of an excessive celebrity hound. If she knows someone famous (Willie Nelson, Melissa Etheridge, Joan Jett, etc.), she will not shut up talking about how close she is to them and about each and every minute detail of everytime she goes out with whatever celebrity friend of hers. And for a while, the Clintons provided her that same level of celebrity love.

But I think as Barack Obama rose in the polls and Hillary Clinton feel, I think Randi basically paniced. She felt as though the Clintons were losing their luster and their pull. Hence, she started with the excessive Obama love, and then subsequently the Clinton hate to go along with the excessive Obama love. I think she feels if she boosts Obama enough, a President Obama will have no choice but to call into her show frequently, and invite her to all the top Washington and political events because he will somehow "owe" her. And she will then get to brag about her close access with a President Obama, just as she once bragged about her close access with the Clintons (who are now oh so passe in her mind.)

Funny story. Just before the 2004 election, all the top Democrats were making their rounds on the talk shows. And Barack Obama, fresh off his 2004 convention speech, called into Randi's show. Randi showed passive interest in what he had to say but was not enamored by him. And then she suddenly cut the interview short, and started playing "Don't Stop Thinking About Tommorrow". Why? Bill Clinton had just called in, and she immediately took his call and started gushing on with him. Funny how things have changed with Randi.

Don't get me wrong, I loved, loved, loved Randi for 7 years but some very ugly and sad personality traits of hers have shone through as of late. And celebrity obsession and bragging rights is one of those. Obama is the flavor of the month for her. If he loses his shine, she will shake him off like nothing.