Should Obama Play Rougher?
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2008 By JAY NEWTON-SMALL/NEW ALBANY
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1734639,00.html

It's like we finally a real person running for office after a long, long wait. Like Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt...

Words and action melded together; plus, they're literate, thoughtful, and well-thought words.

you can rise above it.

someone opened a window, just ever so slightly, so that we could be reminded of what real fresh air tastes and smells like, and how much better it is, and how much we've been lied to about the quality of air we've been breathing.

because it is the BEST policy? What a concept!

It's so refreshing to have someone like that running for office.

:thumbsup:

and

:toast:

...Edwards, then on-the-fence, then Obama after seeing Hillary get so damn Republican and nasty - and "doing everything I hoped she wouldn't".

And, I'm more and more impressed with Obama the more I learn. He's got my support.

It is sad that the Hilary campaign cannot see just how many people they have turned against them for using those tactics.

I guess that is the mindset of the GOP/DLC. It worked before and they cannot shift to the ideas of the new (and many longtime) Democrats.

Their loss.

He is his own person and she will never define him like she would like to, that is why he will win the nominee and be our next President. Then and only then will I come to believe in this nation's ability to rebirth itself much as the Phoenix in tales has done....

As if her daily attacks against Clinton and praises towards Obama are not a clue of her vote intention. Puhlease. She's an Obama hack.

nice things out there for Obama but then says ON THE OTHER HAND the Clintons have done this..they have done that. Blah..blah..blah...She wants to have it both ways. The ONLY time where she seemed to understand where Obama was coming from was during the whole Wright scandal. She drew upon her own experiences as black churches so she could understand the whole scenerio. Every other time she played both sides.

If you're tough enough (your words) you don't have to call the North Carolina GOP and beg them to remove an add about you that you don't like. Better get tough, Senator. It's gonna get worse.

And I guess like you think you are.

I called him a wimp for not debating again. That is not "talking tough", just an opinion.

husband. . .you know exactly what I'm talking about. She's all mouth, and changes what falls out of it too so frequently that there isn't anything credible left to debate.

And since we all know that last spectacle, featuring a moderater from her husband's White House years, was a travesty. There's nothing left to debate except which position Hillary will take tomorrow.

then there is plenty to talk about, and not all this non-issue BS.

I'm sorry, but it does take a certain toughness to try and save your marriage instead of bail. Maybe she did it for Chelsie's sake. I absolutely don't judge her for staying in her marriage, because I learned long ago that none of us really knows what goes on between two people in a marriage. It not exactly like Bill was beating his wife.

And please stop whining about how Obama was treated in the debate. Yes, the first 45 minutes were worthless pandering, but he blew the substantive second half big time, and it cost him in Penn. Personally, I rather see him get another crack at Hillary before he has to go up against McLame in a debate, because McLame will wipe the floor with him if he performs like he did the last time out. He needs to grow a thicker skin, soon.

Ok, now you sound silly. This statement wouldn't be so ludicrous if Sen. Clinton hadn't been so participatory in attacking Obama at the last debate. Compare Obama's defense of Clinton in regards to the Bosnia question.

The Clinton campaign is basing their entire campaign on attacks, their "kitchen sink" negative attack strategy, in the hopes of damaging Obama politically. The great thing is, though, that she is damaging herself more. (unfavorable now at 54% in some polling)

hillbot. he agreed to an April 19th date. hillypoo didn't. and the chickenshit senator from NY refused to debate in her most recent senate run. oh, and talk trash, i'll talk it back- with interest, dear.

there have been 23 debates, of which only the last four have been only Hillary and Obama. The three previous to that also included Edwards and the one prior to those included Richardson. That leaves 15 debates of the entire democratic field and I really think those are now out of context. I would like to see if Obama can recover from his poor performance in the last debate, that is all. He needs all the practice he can get, because if he performs like that against McLame, he is toast. However, we don't need another non-issue style debate, get the league of woman voters back or PBS, someone with half a brain to ask policy questions and really help democrats define their differences (and there are some, despite the MSM BS).

For the record, I am NOT a hillbot, I backed Biden and can't get excited about our remaining choices (the "hated blame her for everything woman" or the non-vetted "I have no idea what will come out in the GE" "new" politician). I have no preference, nominate whatever damaged candidate you wish, I'll vote for them in November. Both candidates and supporters are responsible for this debacle and when McLame wins you can continue your idiotic nonsense and blame each other.

hillbot. he agreed to an April 19th date. hillypoo didn't. and the chickenshit senator from NY refused to debate in her most recent senate run. oh, and talk trash, i'll talk it back- with interest, dear.

It's obvious you hate the guy, but If you're going to attack him for his actions against the NC REPUBLICAN PARTY, then what are you even doing here?

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Donna Brazile undecided! :rofl:

He's absolutely right. I've met my share of potato chip tough guys.

I can agree with the Obama supporters who say the rules prohibit the Fla and Mich Primaries to be counted. But I must disagree with the Obama supporters who say the votes of Democrats in Fla and Mich should not count because they probably won't favor Obama.

That's what the Obama Campaign says, though.

Hillary's campaign has offered to pay for total revotes in Fla and Mich, but Obama's advisors -- political manipulators that they are -- refuse to permit it.

Run away, Obama, run away.

Doesn't the little FEC have something to say about that? Where in hell did you hear that.
And since WHEN does her campaign have funds to even pay her debts? THEY DON'T!
Pay for elections.

Someone here is full of bogus.

If the uncommitted votes in MI are given to Obama, it's a TIE. So :shrug: What you are saying cannot possibly be true.

They had an extravagant meal and drinks, dessert everything...urge you to splurge too.

Then when the check comes they act like they forgot to bring their wallet.

If someone does that to you once, they are an asshole.

If the same person ever does that to you TWICE?

You are a total idiot.

Florida and Michigan broke the rules, the other 48 states did not.

They voted 115-1 in Florida to move their primary up, DNC warned them last summer if they did that, they would lose their delegates. ALL Candidates agreed to it! Hillary signed an agreement just like everyone else. She is even on video saying they won't count for anything. The blame first and foremost rests with those states parties. They chose to ignore the warning. 48 other states followed the rules, hence they will be punished by not being able to decide the outcome of the election. If they had stayed where they were, they would have been fine. It is Florida and Michigans fault period! Not thier voters, but their Parties! They will be seated, Howard Dean has already said so, but they will be severely penalized to the point they don't effect the results. You don't reward states for bad behavior, otherwise it would cause chaos in future elections, if states could decide that they could do whatever they wanted to.

Hillary only decided to scream disenfranchisement, when she decided she was losing and would need those votes. Barack was not even on the ballot in Michigan. Both of these states have had voters publicly say that they knew the votes wouldn't count for anything because thier parties said so, and their were notifications up in the polling places. You cannot accurately judge a voters intention in that situation, because they know it won't count. Furthermore, there were many who stayed home, it is HIGHLY unfair to them to not be included. It is in the courts and has been turned down by appeal. Michigan has already went through the oourt system, where the judge said the vote was unconstitutional and would not be counted. Howard Dean has offered revotes in both states, and was turned down, due to money reasons, and more than likely selfishness. The people calling the shots in both states, support Hillary. They have an agenda, that is clear.

They will be counted this summer, but not in the way they existed in those "mock" vote totals. They were illegitimate period. They will be penalized, like it or not, to respect the integrity of the rules, that both states knew they were violating, but did it anyway.

Hillary will not win on this. The courts have already turned it down, and will continue to do so in Florida no matter what kind of lame excuse they come up with, such as their latest whining fit that the DNC is discriminating against white voters. That will get laughed out of court, because you cannot tell me that Florida is nothing but white voters, and frankly it is rather discriminatory of them to pretend otherwise. This is nothing but a game to them, and it will be denied.

As for offering money for a recount, that is like buying votes from Hillarys' campaign. The attorneys involved said so, it doesn't fly. Their parties screwed up, it has nothing to do with the DNC period!

As for Hillary, she is stirring things up just because she is losing. She agreed to it. Aug, Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, and part of February, she never uttered a word. If she thought they were being disenfranchised she should have opened her mouth. If Sen. Obama has "won" those "mock" votes, she wouldn't have been arguing for them. If anyone thinks otherwise, they are sadly mistaken. Hillary only cares about political expediency period.

The one she wants to take her to the dance. Would you take Hillary to the Prom?

:shakeshead: She is a predator and she is preying on the Democratic Party. There can be no other conclusion.

Her lack of ethics is astonishing, if you stop to give it a thought.
Isn't that just way too much like what we've suffered through for seven ugly years?

And you let those Moon People's votes for Hillary Count, and the Whales that voted for her, cos Whales are People too, and that little Kingdom that lives Under her Bed that Adore Her, just because they're loyal Subjects it doesn't mean their vote shouldn't count..

And Real Men get up every morning and spend an Hour Spackling their face so they can close the deal, and they wear phony Blue Contact Lenses ....

Cackle! Gobble gobble!!

Now if you wanna start getting down and dirty, the Clinton years are filled with a variety of scandals that can easily be brought back out to freshly air.

Hillary's campaign has no money to pay for revotes. The states knew the rules and the score before they held their primaries early, and Hillary agreed to the rules. Naturally, she left her name on those ballots, even when everyone else didn't campaign or leave a name on - and I assume there was a reason for that. How many more votes from Democrats is her campaign trying to permanently alienate? She has no support among independents, and the Republicans who are gleefully mounting anti-Obama campaigns to help her out aren't going to vote for her if she was the nominee.

So essentially you are demanding the Democratic party throw away the election just to appease an extremely poor showing by a woman who claimed this campaign was going to be all over with her on top by Super Tuesday. Guess those negatives were a lot higher than she thought - and she hasn't done one thing to reduce them - she's only trying to find ways to raise everyone else's up to hers.

claims it's a 10 point win instead of a 9.78456 victory.

obamabots are the biggest glass jawed crybabies I've ever seen

It fits him well, and it's from a guy I really liked, even though he was a Republican in name.