A test for Clinton supporters: name TWO mistakes that you feel she has made. Be honest.

I did a thread for my fellow Obama supporters, now I'm doing the same for you guys.
In the interests of us showing that we are capable of thinking for ourselves and finding fault even candidates that we strongly support, I challenge you to name two things that you feel Senator Clinton has done wrong, or two positions you disagree with her on.
No cop-out answers, either, please, but real stuff.
Hopefully, supporters on both sides can step up to the plate and show their stuff. :hi:

and didn't have a good plan for the caucuses.

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but 'ever' too if you can't think of anything else.

Other than that I think her strategy has been sound. Obama is a formidable opponent for the Dem nom. People trashing Hillary for being near dead even with him is delusional.

If either was weak, neither would have lasted this long.
Thanks for the responses!

Neither has been able to build a very broad coalition. Look at the popular vote. The difference is 0.7% (incl FL) and 1 and change without FL. The reason Clinton is stronger in the GE is her coalition expands in the GE. Obama's shrinks. With GE demographics in play he would be down at least 15 in the popular vote and would have quit long ago. That isn't even getting to the unreliable youth vote, of which both you and I are part of. How many will show up in November when the novelty wears off?

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1) Hiring Mark Penn

2) Not having a plan B after Super Tuesday, which would have involved having a good groundwork game in every caucus state. (this is related to number 1).

Thanks for contributing. :hi:

But I'm not Clinton supporter, so I won't participate in this...

uh oh

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That is the source of the alienation, Obama. It is ironic. Obama went to the gutter to beat her and is viewed as Mr. Clean while Clinton, who allegedly would do anything to win, has refused to swiftboat Obama on gender. Obama gets 80-92% black support in each state since the swiftboating. If Clinton got even 65% of the female vote consistently she would win every state comfortably...

hope we get some more traffic...

and she allowed herself, her husband and her campaign to play dirty.

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First was when she said "I have experience. John McCain has experience. Obama has a speech he made in 2002."

After that you can take a pick from a bunch of different things. But the 3am ad is something I hope she wishes she could take back.

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but this is a bit discouraging.

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most of Clinton's supporters do not feel welcome, and no longer come to this site.

1) IWR
2) Agreeing to the FL/MI debacle under pressure from Iowa and NH voters
3) Not skipping Iowa
4) Bankruptcy bill of 2001
5) Not taking a firm stand on immigration--the starting point of her decline (although the pro-Obama MSM which savaged her for it said nothing when O did the same thing in the next debate)
6) Being for "free" trade
7) Running a positive campaign for almost all of 2007 when she was being hammered regularly by her two significant rivals. Obama has a glass jaw. She could have finished him off in 07' because he would have lost Iowa if she went negative against him them. Ironically she is suffering for not going negative and Mr. different kind of politician is capitalizing on his attacks on her.
8) Kyl-Lieberman

These are just some off the top of my head.

for 2,3,6.

Snipergate. And that's a big one. Another one? I really don't know: I know she got into a lot of trouble with her straddling on the drivers licenses for illegal immigrants issue, but she was stuck, there was a relatively new Democratic Governor of her state who was behind the idea, she could hardly denounce it (this was before we knew about Spitzer's sexual foibles.) So I guess I will go with that straddling. She should have thrown Spitzer under the bus back late last year and said no to the idea up-front.

She was stuck

* Mark Penn

* Moronically agreeing to the Florida/Michigan situation. Failing to realize Howard Dean is always a threat to mangle a big picture variable. Obama essentially was allowed a free pass in a state he would have been slaughtered, Florida. Put all three vital states properly in his heavy loss column, and by huge margin -- Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania -- and we're looking at a different delegate count, and decidedly stronger electability argument in Hillary's favor

* Campaigning heavily in South Carolina: That state was an isolated spot on the calendar. Who cares? It was not winnable due to demographics and the inevitable topic there, race, changed the dynamic of the remainder of the schedule. Hillary was up 2-1 and could have comfortably afforded a defeat in South Carolina.

* Bill Clinton should have ignored Obama. Bill's speeches are masterful blend of courage to change hoopla with applicable specifics. That would have been plenty, mindful of where we should be as a nation.

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