The race would be over if Obama or 527groups took the gloves off.

An ad showing the Bosnia sniper lie, then the lies covering up the Bosnia sniper lie (by both Clintons), and then her joking about sniper fire when soldiers have died from sniper fire

and an ad showing how Clinton handles pressure (the inappropriate laughing and the "how many angels on the head of a pin" in response to the question about the $800k Columbian speech fee paid to Bill Clinton) would end her campaign.

However, Obama is trying NOT to fracture the Democratic Party. Clinton trying to argue that only she can win in Nov when she hasn't been really attacked is misleading and a joke.

Edit: This would remind people of what LIARS the Clintons are and people would not be willing to believe her lies and false promises. They sold out the middle class in their first administration, it's disgusting to see them act like they are the champions for the working class.

She needs to be put down.

And they shouldn't. They sent their jobs overseas yet some people are buying into there latest lies and promises?

She is a liar. Play the Bosnia clip, her support of NAFTA, IWR, the whole shebang.

He's basically lied his way to the front.

::crickets::

tell any lies, the articles clarifies where the Original Poster in the Letter got it wrong. If that is all you can find on Senator Obama, it should be clear skies till November.

front. I think that is why Clinton was so pissed in the one debate and said Obama was making false promises. The Clintons sold out this country long ago and they can't stand the thought that you could actually get ahead any other way.

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Pretty much sums up her actions on NAFTA. Again, where did Senator Obama lie - he was quoting a newspaper source.

How is that for a live witness to Obama's credibility!

Lets not stoop to that level on either side, k?

When Obama, if he manages to get the nomination, gets hit with the Republican machine, you'll see what an attack really looks like. Hillary can deliver too. What's going on right now is subtle delicate politicking. Neither of them wants to damage the party or ruin our chances in November, hence neither of them has taken the gloves off yet. Surely you don't think this is all Hillary's got.

they'll attack Clinton for being unstable under pressure.

However, that's not the point. When Hillary's machine starts hitting the Republicans you'll see what a hit job really looks like. I expect Obama's got some hard hitters in tow as well, and if not, he'd better have 'em. What's going on now is a slap-in-the-face fight. Once the nominee is chosen, it will be a kick-in-the-nuts type of fight.

He did not say that is why he is being gentle with her but that is definitely how it came off.

Some of it has been pretty lame, and if she had better, she'd use it.

Apparently, Barack Obama is perfection personified on DU. While I like Obama as much as the next person (and even hope he COULD win), I think you are dead-on in your assessment. The repuke attack team will haul out Reverend Wright, flag pins, "bitter" comments, Michelle's (LOVE HER, BTW) "proud to be an American for the first time" comment ad nauseum.
While sniper-gate might be appalling, it is NOTHING compared to what they will make out of the issues stated above.

pretty as to obtaining the White House and 70% of the country is on board. Senator Obama's campaign has been perfect in answering Senator Clinton's mudslinging, who is doing the water carrying for the Republicans. He hasn't faltered and just brushes off his shoulders. The last thing we should be worried about is what the Republicans MIGHT do and just stay on message - Universal Healthcare; Troops Home From Iraq; Repair of Crumbling Infrastructure; War Profiteering; Out of Control Energy Costs.

We are the party with answers, not those who cower in corners chewing their fingernails afraid of the boogyman. We're adults and can take it and answer it.

they are already doing it in North Carolina, and of course, on fixed news (which is watched by a hell of a lot of people-not just repukes).
Blue collar workers, Christians, and the like are going to be freaked the fuck out when they see ads with Obama next to his mentor of 20 years, saying the kinds of things that make them sick. These people tear up over hearing Lee Greenwood's "Proud to be an American". They will stay home, or vote McCain.
I wish it weren't so, but I have a sinking feeling that it is.

People would hate her even more

Fortunately/Unfortunaltey our gracious nominee Obama knows he can not PO any Hillary voters. He needs them for this Nov.. But, yep if that ran she would be toast..

One of the reasons why so many former Clinton supporters are former Clinton supporters is the bare-knuckled approach her campaign has taken. Obama has come off as the relatively reasonable, level headed one, which has strengthened his appeal. If he gives that up, he damages his credibility and undermines his own support.

and it would be over.

Looking into how to run one now.. Nah, she would cry again.

attacking in a split second which showed how phony the cry was.

Plus, there is one video clip of her saying in response to the Bosnia lie something along the lines of "people don't think I'm human" and she gave a really weird smile. A montage of her "moments" would sink her like a rock.

Let's get this thing going.. Haha.. That would be nice to see.. Actually a youtube video wouldnt be that hard to make. Then contact all the cable news networks and say it is going to be run and then they will do their dog and pony show trying to show it before it airs.. But of course the commercial never gets run but cable news did all the dirty work. They do that shit all the time. Hmmmm, some one should do that..

Why should Democratic 527 groups be encouraged to do what we loudly and soundly condemn Republican 527 groups for doing? Or are you always such a blatant hypocrite?

Nobody is suggesting anyone lie about Hillary.

More Clinton logic.

Obama will not attack. He will answer her attacks, but he does not attack...we do...we the non republbicans..ha. You are right one 527 attack....with a few running once an hour in key states would do it. And, it would give the media somthing to get giddily fill up their news hours with all day long 24/7. Obama could...as he would anyway...say that he does not think the ads are fair...and he is right...they are not....they are tit for tat by those of us who care about our party.

Obama still has them on.


Quit being such a fucking pussy Obama and fight back.

It is that simple.. Thats the irony I think. If she wins the nomination she will get no Obama supporters because of the way she has ran her campaign..

Obama is just eating time till June and then he will win. He is going to make it easy for the Hillary people to cross over to him.

they can go fuck themselves.

Obama plants asking Chelsea about Lewinsky was right out of the Rove playbook.

It is CLINTON who is trying to piss off her supporters so they won't vote for Obama in the general election.

You really think that was a plant? You probably think Obama planted Bill's spunk on Lewinsky's dress too.. That is a pathetic argument you have there..

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080326/NEWS07/80326031/1012/NEWS10

Attempting to spread more bullshit, I see.

who asked the question was her supporter...

hate him more than Hillary and the media has already succeeded in making them do

so at this point he has absolutely NOTHING to lose by fighting back by simply telling the damn truth! why is it so hard for him to just speak the fucking truth?

Because whenever he does, the goddamned media crucifies him. See the so-called "bitter-gate" for reference.

Obama has failed to do any of that.

if he took off the gloves. Black man, beating up on the white woman.

is not beating them up.

when Obama gets to the White House, if he gets that far. His opponents will still be trying to smear him 24/7 even after he is in the WH. So is Obama going to capitulate at every turn for fear of 'alienating' some people, namely the GOP?? Because he is AFRAID of their criticism? Is Obama going to be the kind of spineless leader that tries to be everything to everyone, for fear of offending certain groups? In other words, a triangulator?

If that is the case, Obama doesn't deserve to be in the WH. He needs to show some backbone and prove himself right now.

Bush may be an idiot, but he does stand and fights for what he believes in, misguided as those beliefes may be, and even if it means alienating and pissing off 75% of the electorate. People may not agree with Bush, but they DO respect him for his unwavering, uncompromising position. He doesn't waver and triangulate in the face of criticism from his opponents. Unlike most Dems, Bush doesn't tend to cow and cave under pressure like a frightened little mouse. Bottom line, people don't want a spineless pussy in the WH.

What's more "gloves off" than that?

Pay attention.
link: http://raceproject.org/2007/06/outsourcing-attack-politics-obama.html

race card. It showed a pattern.

So let me play the race card but if you keep a list of my playing the race card, you are the one playing the race card. That's Clinton's logic for you. They have such a low regard for the American Public b/c they think we are so stupid that we will believe anything they say.

:shrug:

happily jumping on the Foz-jazeera bandwagon trying to paint Obama as "look mommy, a scary angry black man".

Please give an example of Obama using race..

time for Obama to take off the kid gloves and put on the brass knuckles.

Obama can not take the gloves off and give her the full on round house she so deserves. He wants to come out of this and reach out to her voters and bring his base and hers back together.

Hillary being nothing more than a DLC puppet; has done the math she needs to "triangulate" a win. She does not give a rats ass about who she splinters off from the party. She feels she has the 50%+1% she needs and for her method losing X% of the AA vote is ok. Losing new young voters is just icing on the cake for her. The DLC doesn't want them at all. It is too difficult to to maintain such a broad coalition. They would rather not try and just have the young folks stay at home watching American Idol.

It is time to get tough and not allow the repugs and Hillary to choose our candidate for us. They have given us their "best" shots...which were nothings. It is time to say...Is that all ya got?"///cause......HERE it comes......no more mr nice guys. And there is so much shit on Hillary ya wouldn't even need to twist and hype it....just present it....and LOUD and SOON.

The problem I have with Obama is that he can't simply make his campaign the Anti-_______ campaign. In the general election, we can expect Sinclair Broadcasting to start running documentaries like "Stolen Honor" to try to influence the election. We need a candidate who can fight fire with fire. We need a Democratic Karl Rove, and Hillary has that in Mark Penn.

This whole notion of grassroots campaigns is outdated in the era of heavily sponsored networks who have their own agendas. Hillary is pro-business, which is why she did not vote against the 2005 Bankruptcy Reform bill, which was supported by the financial institutions in New York. She voted in favor of it in 2001, and Obama voted against it in 2005. Obama is not pro-business. Hillary is. Look at the gasoline tax. McCain and Hillary are in favor of the tax holiday, and are not deterred by cutting spending on the road projects funded by the tax. Obama is a tax and spend democrat.

I think Hillary knows how to win, and when she goes up against McCain, it will be interesting to see how a GOP candidate faces a Karl Rove attack machine. As Karl Rove demonstrated, you don't win based on getting people to agree with your ideas. You win by tearing down your opponent. Who but Karl Rove could turn Kerry, a war hero, into a corward with George Chicken Hawk Bush being perceived as better on Natinonal Security. Its nothing that Swift Boat Veterans for truth and a screening of Stolen Honor can't fix.

I could see Hillary exploiting McCain's infidelity and troubles with his first marriage the way she exploited Obama's relationship with Reverand Wright and Ayers. That is what the Democrats need to win. As the past two elections showed, this idea of "Change" is not going to work. The American people are afraid of change. The key is to make them fear the other candidate more than they fear you.

a viable candidate out of a proven liar (especially one for which there is so much video footage that makes her appear unstable).

There is NO WAY they could make the country fear McCain more than they would fear Clinton.

she just doesnt give a fuck.. You think the way she has conducted her campaign she will bring any Obama supporters to her? Think again..

And again read the OP.. She is done right there.. Not counting the endless laundry list they have on her before that happened..

She cant win the nomination and she would get trounced in the Gen Elect. her precious working class male voters will flock to McCain.

such a great fighter she wouldn't be losing to the rookie, by virtually every metric. Mark Penn has been an unmitigated disaster. That's why he was demoted. Even Hilly finally got that.

Grassroots pollitics, genius, is winning the primary. And being pro-corporation at the expense of working people is to abhored- not commended. Obama isn't business unfriendly. I wish his stance on corporate control and corruption was stronger. Hlly's stance is worse than Obama's.

People who know how to win don't make a fucking hash out of what should have been a stroll in the park. Little whiny hillypoo did that.

Obama is a far better fighter than Hillpoo, and he has some teflon. she has velcro.

I had a discussion with a state Senator who had run against women twice. He said it is very difficult to run against women because people do not like to see women attacked in any way.

They do not like to see men raise their voice in discussion with women.

They do not like to see men look irritated when they are in discussion with women.

And they do not like to see men confront women.

It is often an automatically discomforting perception for some people. People remember their daughters. Women who have had a single overbearing boyfriend or husband are reminded of them. Overbearing dads come to mind, etc.

We want to convince the unconvinced and if any of them fall into the above categories we do not want to offend them.

He should stay above the fray.

Did I just hear Hillary say "I never thought I would run for office"?

It makes me want to cry.


The minute we have our nominee, I'm gonna campaign my ass off to make sure we win.

I think Senator Obama will be our nominee.. and I think we will lose worse than 2004.

But I'm gonna do my DAMNED hardest to make sure it doesn't happen. I just pray that Senator Clinton is our nominee.

If he's gonna get the nomination anyways, why go negative? If he stays positive its the start of a new kind of politics.

going negative in my book.


Clinton is a liar and all it takes is Clinton in her own words to prove it.

Plus, other video footage clearly demonstrates how she reacts under pressure.

and have been for a long time. I still can not forget Hillary's cattle trading profits/bribe in the late 70's. An economics journal calculated the chance of her honestly making this money at 250 million to 1.

Then we'll see who's hot to trot when it comes to debates.

I wondered if she would have laughed and babbled about angels on the head of a pin?

of unsavory characters. They just need to use her own words and actions. They will attack McCain for being angry and they will come back with footage which gives the impression that she is unstable and unable to handle pressure.

Not in the court of public perception, and that's all that counts. That's what is going to sway the superdelegates to go one way or the other.

SOMEONE needs to attack Hillary, and do it now. Obama's campaign is beginning to remind me of John Kerry in the face of the swiftboat attacks - he sat and did nothing, and it killed him.

Obama has ideals and ethics. I appreciate that - but it's time to face political reality. Stump speeches and high ideals and hope are not going to win him either the primary or the Presidency.

He needs to point out how neither of his opponents are qualified for the job. If he cannot do it himself, then the independent attack groups should be scrambled and given the weapons free command.

At the pace he is on now he should win NC and probably IN. If that happens she is out. So, I imagine he has calculated this so that he may squeak by with a win for the nominee and doing so he also makes it easier to bring the Hillbots over. If he attacks like her he risks losing a percentage of her voters in the gen election.

I know what you are saying about Kerry though.. It also worried me some too, but Obama mentioned last week that he will have shaper attacks on McCain since he is on the wrong side of the issues. I took that as acknowledgment of what some like you and me were concerned with. He has mentioned several times about how Kerry should have acted quicker against the swiftboaters.

If he comes across as angered, then those little devilish Clintons will play that up with the Wright anger. The White Suburbs will chill in fear.

No, he should continue to play it cool and bide his time. The Clintons are finished. They may die a long, slow, convulsive political death, but they are dead politically nonetheless.

And I thank God for that.