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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:07 AM
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NBC Today preparing hatchet job on Wright: "He mocked JFK.."
and showed the clip, out of context of course, of Wright imitating JFK's Mass accent. The corporate media hits back.

Waiting for the piece...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:13 AM
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1. And the HillPuppets here will be buying right into it.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 06:13 AM by Forkboy
Critical thinking is too much work for them.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:23 AM
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6. wrong place
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 06:24 AM by Little Star
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:23 AM
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12. I was going to say something defending Rev. Wright
but I'll save it for some other time.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:40 AM
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17. You can tell me.
I can't possibly get too upset with anyone using my original Godzilla avatar. ;)
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:59 AM
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20. Lol.
Well I just posted this at the thread that complained about Wright "mocking" JFK:

"Out of context it can seem that way. That's a clue right there.

There was no intent to mock JFK. It was in a much larger context of exploring cultural differences among Americans, in a section related to how Americans speak variations of "American" rather than English, although it is African Americans who are accused of speaking poor English."

And on that thread someone "congratulated" me for being a Clinton supporter with an IQ high enough to understand the speech.

Anything, the only thing "controversial" about Wright's speech was an implication that perhaps there's some hard wiring right brain/ left brain differences between Africans and Europeans. It was fuzzy though whether he meant to imply there was any biological basis for that, and in no way did Wright present any cultural differences between whites and blacks as superior and inferior or vice versa.

It wasn't an angy speech, it was a hopeful speech, hopeful that we can build an America where our differences can be understood, respected, and celebrated. Wright went out of his way to be inclusive of all races and religions in a respectful manner. He used effective and amusing metaphors, like the differing rhythm patters of European and African influenced music to point out an essential underlying equality. How can an emphasis on the first and first and third beats be better or worse than an emphasis on the second and fourth beats?

Wright was quite respectful of the diversity of the NAACP membership, he was not inflammatory in the slightest. His comments were thought provoking.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:10 AM
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22. Yeah, I saw the "IQ" remark.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 08:11 AM by Forkboy
It was needless, as you pointed out. The whole low IQ Hillary base angle is annoying, to say the least, as if not agreeing with such a person makes them dumb, and they're only smart when they agree. Maybe my own IQ isn't high enough to get that logic. ;)

As for your comments on Wright I couldn't agree more. While he says some things we may or may not agree with, he challenges both groups to think, and I welcome that (especially after the last seven plus years). My only problem is with the ones choosing not to think at all about his words, and letting the MSM do that thinking for them. He's a very complex and thoughtful man, whether one likes him or not, and people like that deserve to be taken seriously, and their words considered, even if that leads to a rejection of said words. Just dismissing them outright however, as some are doing, is a sad indication of their own unwillingness to think. I don't mind dumb people as I'm pretty much one myself, but I have little tolerance for those who choose to be that way.

For me, what he says goes beyond this election and our candidates. While some of the things he's said bother me, learning about him has been the highlight of this campaign for me.

Well, that and the fact that just renouncing something is not enough anymore. It has to be renounced AND rejected now. :rofl:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:40 AM
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29. Time for your abuse to pipe down along with
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 08:41 AM by JoFerret
Rev. Wright and the unfair media attacks on him.
Let's not add to this ridiculous mess.
Wright is not running for office.

Stop wallowing in invented controversy and creating it where none is.
You are behaving like the msm itself.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:00 AM
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30. And yet no sooner did I post that than a Hillary supporter started a thread parroting the MSM.
I look forward to your presence in that thread telling the OP not to wallow in invented controversy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5714653
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:06 AM
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31. I am responsible for my own conduct
not for the conduct of every Hillary supporter some of whom allow their better judgment to be clouded.
Please bear that in mind.

You are responsible for your conduct. I do not hold your culpably for the egregious behavior of a few Obama supporters.

Please check my posts elsewhere on DU if you want to check out my views on the matter of Rev. Wright.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:27 AM
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35. Well on this we'll certainly agree.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 09:27 AM by Forkboy
Yet my comment turned out to be correct, as unpleasing to you as it may have been. I have refrained from using any terms other than Hillary "supporters" or Hillary "fans" until today, as I knew the second I heard it that those types would indeed repeat it here on DU at any moment, and I was right. If my using a different term had made the truth of it more palatable to you then my apologies.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:28 AM
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36. Cheers matey!
.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:18 AM
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34. HilllPuppets?
I thought you didn't engage in that kind of thing.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:41 AM
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37. Today was the first time since last Spring that I've used a term like that.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 09:42 AM by Forkboy
I would say anyone who so willingly parrots the MSM spin on this, or any issue, is fairly deserving of the tag "puppet", regardless of who they support.

However, I won't use it again as it took away from the point I made, which turned out to be prophetic within a matter of moments of my posting that.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:16 AM
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2. I have given up on people
:kick:
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:18 AM
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3. LOL! OMG...No way..they did this?? They are doing exactly what Wright was talking about!
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 06:19 AM by quantass
I'm laughing out of...out dont know anymore...very strange....very itnriguing how much the media controls the people and what they should/shouldn't see...shame on them for yet again taking this brilliant man out of context.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:21 AM
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4. I'm sorry, but the guy should just shut up if he wants to help Obama ...
or at the very least not hurt him. No matter the content of the words, the way Wright speaks at the podium just sounds buffoonish to me, and I'm a huge Obama supporter. Maybe it's just selected snippets, but I haven't seen any snippets on the news that did not make me cringe. He was great with Moyers I thought- sounded very reasonable. But he gives the absolute opposite impression when he's speaking publically at the podium.

Why this guy feels compelled to make his public reappearance a week before two of the most important primaries of the year is beyond me.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:25 AM
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9. "but I haven't seen any snippets on the news that did not make me cringe"
No shit. They cherry pick his words and take them out of context to create that effect.
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grrr050 Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:27 AM
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28. No shit!
Like the way they do Bill Clinton's?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:21 AM
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5. Just saw it on MSRNC, cherry picking the shit out of Wright's speech
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 06:22 AM by 48percenter
I bet NONE of these empty heads saw his interview with Bill Moyers.

They have been reading alot of emails on air though, almost all are favorable towards Wright and very unfavorable to MSNBC. :thumbsup:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:23 AM
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7. The corporate-media is trying to do what they've always been doing, brainwash Americans
Wright was simply saying that people from Mass speak differently, yet nobody accused them of speaking bad english. However, many blacks in America are in fact accused of speaking bad english. He was pointing to a double standard. Now the media will twist it and say he mocked JFK?
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:25 AM
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8. What is Wright running for again?
I keep forgetting, oh wait, NOTHING, thats right. Why is anything Mr Wright says even an issue?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:26 AM
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10. Amazing. I thought the speech was riveting - I had to watch.
But as soon as I heard the JFK reference, I knew that's what I'd be hearing on MSM. Over and over and over and over and over again. What a bunch of dim bulbs.
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:46 AM
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19. Yep, me too.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 07:46 AM by DangerousRhythm
They're too stupid to understand context and grasp actual ideas -- or maybe they're just playing very well at being stupid for profit -- and therefore think we're all that stupid too. It's all about the soundbyte.

Sad, sad times.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:21 AM
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11. What a joke
Not funny, but a total joke nonetheless.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:26 AM
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13. I thought it was hilarious.
And still do. :)
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:27 AM
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14. When a MNSBC producer informed Mika this morning
that their viewer response had been "overwhelmingly positive" in favor of Wright and then read a letter that asked if they had heard the same speech that the email writer had, Mika literally sniffed in shock. Imagine that-the media reading the public reaction incorrectly. :eyes:
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:31 AM
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16. so it's up to the MSM to craft a presentation of Wright's speech designed to offend.
It's their specialty and their corporate mandate.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:26 AM
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27. m$nbc's ignorance proudly on display this morning.
Mika could only sniff in shock because she didn't hear the speech, but considers herself eggspurt enough to go ahead and comment on it anyway.

Out-of-touch. Overpaid. Elitists. Self-proclaimed eggspurts. Our Corporate hooore media talking bobble heads.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:29 AM
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15. Oh, is that where the bots got that talking point?
For a second there, I thought it was a DU original.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:44 AM
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18. They don't rip "The Simpsons" for doing it
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 07:45 AM by Fighting Irish
The mayor on that show is a direct knock against JFK.

Comedian Denis Leary rips on the Kennedys a lot.

And wasn't the biggest-selling comedy album of all time a parody of the JFK adminstration?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:14 AM
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25. They can grasp the Simpsons (sometimes). Wright is way over their heads.
:)
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:01 AM
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21. Wright is all about himself, it appears that fame and money have twisted him up
Wright is certainly doing every thing he can to draw attention to himself,
by going to the Press Club etc.

I now have no trust in this man based on the timing of these "events" which happen
to be near the time of his book release.

Maybe fame and money have twisted him.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:13 AM
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24. And you trusted him before this, I'm sure.
The nerve of that man defending himself and his church from Fox News style smears.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:22 AM
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26. What is the protocol..
for a private citizen defending oneself following a public lynching? I suppose he should just lay down and take it. Allow people to continue to use him and his Church as a political pinata, to trash and bash as one wishes. Reverend Wright is no one's dog to kick.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:11 AM
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23. he DID mock JFK, and Johnson. nt
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:07 AM
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32. He did not. Btw, do you get upset when people mock Bush? And they reall do mock Bush.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 09:07 AM by Doityourself
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:11 AM
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33. His JFK impression sounded more like Bugs Bunny,
needs some work.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:09 AM
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38. he imitated LBJ too--big deal. He made a great point.
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