"We Do NOT Vote! Period." (angry stare)

get a lot of angry and yes, bitter, people when doing the registration drives.

i dont understand these people.
ask them if they are registered to vote and they say no.. and get mad, lol.

its like 4 out of 10 people that do it!
:shrug:
they dont even have a wedge issue to grind?

at least when i try to be..
so there ;p

seemed a bit bitter, but then he started railing against all of them. I told him he hasn't earned the right to an opinion. ;)

Not.

they really hate the idea of voting! a lot!

face it.

But I don't get angry about it.

can you afford college for your kids?
like paying $4 a gallon for gas?
like worrying about health insurance?
like the war?
enjoying retirement on $1K a month?
like breathing chunky air?
eating poisoned hamburger?
okay for the babies to play with toxic toys?

...don't look to the Democrats for much help.

Show up on the door step of most of those people with an FDR New Deal program in hand, and the reaction would be quite different.

Instead we show up with an invitation: "would you like to join the club of special people who are 'against' all of those bad things?" The only thing people get out of joining the club is a lot of grief, frustration and anxiety, as their Democratic party leaders betray them again and again, and then after the Dems lose they get to be "right" and feel superior to their neighbors. Even if the Dems win, we lose, but you do still get to be "right."

Couldn't have said it better myself! :toast:

A lot of what goes on in these transactions has more to do with what the activist brings to the party than anything.

If you approach people with an attitude of "I am smart and I have all of the answers, and you are dumb lazy ignorant idiot" - and OF COURSE that is exactly the attitude that many activists have even though they will deny it, and then turn around two minutes later and trash the "stupid fundy idiots" - you won't get a very good response, and trying to use sales techniques to hide your attitude doesn't help, it makes it worse.

People are not stupid - contrary to the deeply held prejudices and bigotry of most activists - and it is mostly the liberal activists that people can't stand, it is not the Democratic party's principles and ideals they are opposed to - did I say principles and ideals? Now, where did we put those? I know they are around here somewhere.... oh that's right. We put them away so we could be "practical" and "realistic" and "win" - which is why we always lose.

I go to people and say that the Democratic party is a disaster and they have given us another bunch of bad candidates and they are so far from where they should be that it isn't funny, and I don't blame people for saying they are all the same and what's the difference and why bother to vote at all? But, the right wingers are a real threat, here is how, and even worse than the Democrats, if that is even possible, so what can we do?

Now, the other activists all flip out - no hyperbole there - when they hear me do that and violently argue against me for my "negativity" and lack of true-believer faith and hope and change and I think I can I think I can "visualize the results you want" mysticism and WTF ever else modern liberal activism is about - they think we should all be starry-eyed "think positive" cheerleaders and Amway salesmen and never say a bad word about this joke of a party we have and the pathetic candidates we keep running. The problem is my results are three or four times better using my method - I like to call it "being f-ing honest with people for a change and treating them with some respect."

Reminds me of the story about the kid who walked around through his home complaining to his Mother that every room smelled like dog shit. "Check your shoes, son."

Yup.

and as another poster pointed out, among that 40% who won't vote, you find some of the loudest whingers....

Or doing public whatever?

I have never been approached by anyone who was registering voters.

But our Town doesn't allow door-to-door or public registration of any sort.

And I haven't voted since Clinton/Bush (the only time I ever voted, as a matter of fact).

teh internets. not book readin'

What a strange image.

That's a response that I get a lot when I do voter reg.

People like that make me nuts. :banghead:

Complete rejection of the sham process and the bucketload of lies. Live their lives, try to survive. Participation or non-participation amounts to the same thing. And yes, it is 40% of the population that has completely checked out of the fake democracy. It's quite beautiful, actually.

I spent a lot of time as a youth reading "the other side of the story" type history books. I suppose "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee" is a good example, but I read hundreds of books on the various tribes of this country. Voting is participation, and participation is validation; so I decided (years before I could legally vote) that I would never personally validate the US government.

Of course the counter arguments to the above perspective are numerous, and I got over it after some years.

I thought voting was like saying "yes" to let my rapist off the hook.