Okay, Obama supporters, riddle me this...

If y'all are so up in arms about someone associated with Hillary's camp making illegal robocalls, then tell me why you guys didn't abandon Obama in droves after this:

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/28523-obama-robocalls-telling-wa-voters-wrong-caucus-date

That's right: Obama's people robocalled likely Clinton voters to tell them the Washington caucuses were a day later than they were. And it may have worked because Obama beat Clinton by about a 2:1 margin in Washington State.

Both sides are robocalling and both sides are doing illegal acts. (And the Republicans are robocalling too.) Please don't give me this "Obama is so pure" line. He's running for president. No one doing that is "pure."

Looks like the place is closed, jmowreader. Ain't nobody here...

:shrug:

This seems to be an innocent mistake....were the calls targeted to white woman aged 45-100? I can't find any targeting data on here because the Clinton calls are targeted to a particular group....

this was at the link you sent me to.



Obama phone callers had the wrong day for caucuses
By Charles E. Brown

Seattle Times staff reporter

In an effort to get Washington voters out to Saturday's caucuses here, the Obama campaign hired an out-of-state call firm to reach out to voters by phone.

But calls gave the wrong day, telling people on Thursday that the caucuses would be Sunday instead of Saturday.

For a time, some speculated that the calls could have been a dirty trick by the Clinton campaign. But not so, says Obama campaign spokesman Amy Brundage.

Callers were simply reading from a prepared script used earlier on Thursday for calls being made to Maine voters about that state's caucuses, which indeed are on Sunday.

"The problem has been resolved," Brundage said today, and those Washington voters who were contacted were being called back today with the correct information.

Has it happened since?
Hillary has done this in 11 states not 1, none of her "mistaken" calls has ever been corrected.

His Holiness can do no wrong, donchaknow!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004172192_webrobo08m.html

There had been a mistake and all the callers were called again with the correct information.

poor Hillary.

There's this system set up that requires the blessing from shady individuals and entities. There are compromises that every single politician are faced with - no matter how good their intentions are going in. The ones that don't give an inch go nowhere (Kucinich, Biden). The ones that buy in whole-hog go the farthest. I see Obama making several compromises - enough to stay in the game (NOT defending the robocalls) and going farther than he's really being permitted to. I see Hillary going in whole-hog and loving it.

I don't fault either of them for these decisions - the game is throughly corrupted. So I'm going with the one most likely to change the game. The one who I think still has the best intentions.

Supporters in both camps can call each other every name in the book, and play along with the game (when it works for their candidate), and rail against the game when it works against. No matter how clever we think we are, we're being manipulated. I'm confident we'll come together in the GE, because I see the game turning against whoever the Dem nominee will be.

The only way to change the system is to pick the one that hasn't been picked for us. I'm not sure if that's possible, though.

I'm not sure where you come up with the "Obama's people robocalled likely Clinton voters..." part.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004172192_webrobo08m.html

Obama phone callers had the wrong day for caucuses
By Charles E. Brown

Seattle Times staff reporter

In an effort to get Washington voters out to Saturday's caucuses here, the Obama campaign hired an out-of-state call firm to reach out to voters by phone.

But calls gave the wrong day, telling people on Thursday that the caucuses would be Sunday instead of Saturday.

For a time, some speculated that the calls could have been a dirty trick by the Clinton campaign. But not so, says Obama campaign spokesman Amy Brundage.

Callers were simply reading from a prepared script used earlier on Thursday for calls being made to Maine voters about that state's caucuses, which indeed are on Sunday.

"The problem has been resolved," Brundage said today, and those Washington voters who were contacted were being called back today with the correct information.

Obama phone callers had the wrong day for caucuses
By Charles E. Brown

Seattle Times staff reporter

In an effort to get Washington voters out to Saturday's caucuses here, the Obama campaign hired an out-of-state call firm to reach out to voters by phone.

But calls gave the wrong day, telling people on Thursday that the caucuses would be Sunday instead of Saturday.

For a time, some speculated that the calls could have been a dirty trick by the Clinton campaign. But not so, says Obama campaign spokesman Amy Brundage.

Callers were simply reading from a prepared script used earlier on Thursday for calls being made to Maine voters about that state's caucuses, which indeed are on Sunday.

"The problem has been resolved," Brundage said today, and those Washington voters who were contacted were being called back today with the correct information.

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correct it. knowing full well the false information/lies/distortions well
be in full swing by then.

The Messiah would never do such a thing!!!!1!1

"Obama's people robocalled likely Clinton voters" - Clinton voters were not targeted.

All voters who received the calls with the wrong information received calls correcting the information.

The OP's claims are untrue.

happened in NC, since THOSE calls were made after the deadline passed making zero difference for the election process.

The WA calls were made before the caucuses, in order to directly affect the process. Big difference.

At least when they were caught, they fessed up the "mistake" that was made. :eyes:

I saw it on this thread,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5775038&mesg_id=5775038

and from that OP:



It's perplexing that it would be considered voter suppression, since the calls were made when there would not have been anyway they could have impacted voter registration.

than HRC, why would his campaign want to keep people *away* from a caucus? Riddle me that.

who had received incorrect information... did HRC's Robo-Callers do that????

*crickets*

Obama phone callers had the wrong day for caucuses
By Charles E. Brown

Seattle Times staff reporter

In an effort to get Washington voters out to Saturday's caucuses here, the Obama campaign hired an out-of-state call firm to reach out to voters by phone.

But calls gave the wrong day, telling people on Thursday that the caucuses would be Sunday instead of Saturday.

For a time, some speculated that the calls could have been a dirty trick by the Clinton campaign. But not so, says Obama campaign spokesman Amy Brundage.

Callers were simply reading from a prepared script used earlier on Thursday for calls being made to Maine voters about that state's caucuses, which indeed are on Sunday.

"The problem has been resolved," Brundage said today, and those Washington voters who were contacted were being called back today with the correct information

...(from the stranger and "a caller to the Thom Hartmann radio show") the robo-calls were going out to Obama supporters, reminding them of the upcoming caucus in Washington state, and the out of state boiler room got the day wrong. It appears to be an in-house mistake...the calls were not from Clinton supporters and, more importantly, not going out to Clinton supporters either. Please don't tell me you work as a professional journalist.

Search Obama Robo Calls copy paste. Don't read content. Brilliant :rofl:

Pathetic followers...

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK&RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Because it's not dirty tricks to call your own supporters and mistakenly get the day wrong. That's like, uh, not smart, but fortunately they were able to call everyone back.

So, I suppose the Hillary group has offered to call the NC people back to correct the misinformation? (ha, not waiting for that).

The Clinton robocalls were made AFTER the date to register to vote had passed. Whether you sent this fictitious packet back wouldn't matter--you're either registered or you're not.

OTOH, if you did what Obama's robocall suggested, you would have shown up the day AFTER the caucus had passed.

I know we sometimes make jokes about the polls being reconfigured so that Democrats vote Tuesday and Republicans Wednesday, but we've never actually been serious about it. Obama's campaign was. (Oh yes..."calling with the correct information" doesn't help, folks: the damage was already done.)

FACING SOUTH EXCLUSIVE: D.C. nonprofit aimed at women voters behind deceptive N.C. robo-calls
By Chris Kromm
Facing South

http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/04/facing-s...

Who's behind the mysterious "robo-calls" that have spread misleading voter information and sown confusion and frustration among North Carolina residents over the last week?

(snip)

So who is Women's Voices Women Vote, and why are they making shadowy and legally-questionable calls that are causing North Carolina voters so many headaches?

The D.C.-based nonprofit, led by well-connected Washington operatives, claims in a press release they sent to Facing South that the North Carolina calls are part of a 24-state effort targeted at a list of 3 million voters, especially unmarried women. The robo-calls, which never mention Women's Voices, are followed by mailings that include information on how to register to vote. They plan to mail some 276,000 packets in North Carolina alone.

But since last November, in at least 11 states nationwide, Women's Voices -- sometimes working through its Voter Participation Center project -- has developed a checkered reputation, drawing rebukes from leading election officials and complaints from thousands of would-be voters as a result of their secretive tactics, deceptive mailings and calls, and penchant for skirting or violating the law. For example:

* In Arizona last November, election officials were "inundated with complaints" after Women's Voices sent a mailing erroneously claiming that recipients were "required" to mail back an enclosed voter registration form. Many who received the mailing were already registered; the mailing also gave the wrong registration date. Secretary of State Jan Brewer denounced the group's tactics as "misleading and deceptive." A similar mailing in Colorado that month " fire and caused confusion," according to a state press release.

* In Wisconsin, state officials singled out Women's Voices for misleading and possibly disenfranchising voters, stating in a press release : "One group in particular -- Women's Voices. Women Vote, of Washington, D.C. -- apparently ignored or disregarded state deadlines in seeking to register voters," sending in registrations past the January 30 deadline and causing "hundreds of Wisconsin voters who think they registered in advance" to actually not be.

* Michigan officials ended up "fielding tons of calls from confused voters" after Women's Voices did a February mailing to "380,000 unmarried women" -- including numerous deceased voters and even more that were already registered. Sarah Johnson of Women's Voices "seemed confused by the confusion," the Lansing State Journal reported.

* A 1.5 million-piece Women's Voices mailing in Florida falsely stated: "To comply with state voting requirements, please return the enclosed application." Pasco County's elections supervisor called it "disingenuous"; another said it created "a lot of unnecessary panic on behalf of the voters," reported local newspapers. Sarah Johnson of Women's Voice said, "I'm sorry to hear that."

* By March, Women's Voices was backing off the erroneous "registration is required" language, but there were still problems. For example, a mailing in Arkansas allowed that "registering to vote is voluntary," but a clerk in Washington County reported that "the majority sent back to the county come from registered voters, causing needless labor for office employees."

Problems with the group's tactics have also been documented in Louisiana, Kentucky and Ohio.

In each state, the Women's Voices campaigns have brought the same news and the same themes, again and again: Deceptive claims and misrepresentations of the law -- sometimes even breaking the law. Wildly inaccurate mailing lists, supposedly aimed at "unregistered single women," but in reality reaching many registered voters as well as families, deceased persons and pets. Tactics that confuse voters and potentially disenfranchise them.

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What is with the y'all comment anyway? It shows something about your inner self.

k/r for facts. Try reading it before equating the two. Big difference in a firm hired to call OBAMA supporters who made a mistake about a DATE, and one that would actually have hurt Obama I might add, and called them BACK to correct themselves, than a "group" of Clinton associates calling his demographic and giving them patently FALSE information about registering to vote, a process that isn't easily corrected, and then when caught, attempting to say it was for the GE. There's a mistake, and then there's a lie.

Obama phone callers had the wrong day for caucuses
By Charles E. Brown

Seattle Times staff reporter

In an effort to get Washington voters out to Saturday's caucuses here, the Obama campaign hired an out-of-state call firm to reach out to voters by phone.

But calls gave the wrong day, telling people on Thursday that the caucuses would be Sunday instead of Saturday.

For a time, some speculated that the calls could have been a dirty trick by the Clinton campaign. But not so, says Obama campaign spokesman Amy Brundage.

Callers were simply reading from a prepared script used earlier on Thursday for calls being made to Maine voters about that state's caucuses, which indeed are on Sunday.

"The problem has been resolved," Brundage said today, and those Washington voters who were contacted were being called back today with the correct information

robo? called by actual fallible people? who corrected their error?

The general tenor over there is that Obama would Never Do Anything Wrong. Which is bull--"doing wrong" is one of the requirements for running for president.

What's the most important reason to not vote for Obama? Because he's a nice guy. That's it. If we stick a nice guy up against the thugs and bandits in the Republican Party, we are looking at President Huckabee because the stress will kill McSameAsBush within three months. But if we run the Queen Bitch From Hell, the one who will take all the crap the GOP lays down and return it tenfold, we'll have a good fighting chance. My support of Hillary is not a compliment. It is reality: Obama can't win because Obama can't be mean enough to win. Hillary is.

This guy called Clinton the QUEEN BITCH FROM HELL!

Where's your outrage?

blaming the Clinton campaign:

"For a time, some speculated that the calls could have been a dirty trick by the Clinton campaign."
was this on purpose?

:rofl:

If this was specifically targeted at senior women or something that might point to deliberate intent. Otherwise it probably was just an error. One of the comments said that the company accidentally read the script for the Maine caucuses, which were Sunday.

I went to Columbus to volunteer for Obama the weekend before the Ohio primary, and we gave out door hangers with polling locations. The campaign realized that a few of the packets of doorhangers we had given out had the wrong polling location. Since this happened in a predominantly black neighborhood, I think it's safe to assume it was an error and not a conspiracy, since misleading black voters would hurt Obama.

These mistakes do happen. What's suspicious about the WVWV robocalls is the fact that they specifically target black voters, who are part of Obama's base, and so many of the board members are connected to the Clinton campaign.

Damn, its filling up fast today.....