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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:43 AM
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Poll question: How do you think Indiana will react to being called...
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:51 AM by davsand
..."Shit" and White N*ggers" by a Clinton staffer?

If Drudge has it and MSNBC is on it, we are ALL gonna be hearing about it on every channel. How do you think this will impact in voter attitudes about the Clinton campaign?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:45 AM
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1. I'm starting to like this guilt by association game...
Get Queen Skank out of the way, then we can start attacking McCain for being married to a junkie/thief.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:47 AM
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8. well just as long as you take the high road with it lol
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:45 AM
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2. I suspect that my large Hoosier family will not take kindly to being called "shit"
As a Hoosier born and raised, I am PISSED. As a voter, I am OUTRAGED.

THIS IS ELITISM.

pardon the shouting . . .
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:48 AM
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11. Please tell me that this is going to get out to the IN voters! n/t
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:46 AM
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3. Hillary will lose both Indiana and North Carolina and claim these states don't count. n/t
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:46 AM
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4. What is this about? nt
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:49 AM
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13. ....
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:50 AM
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14. Watch the attached video.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:57 AM
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21. Holy Shit! I just went to Drudge and Huffingtonpost and this thing is on fire

How the hell did I miss this?
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:46 AM
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5. Well this makes the "bitter" comment seem like small potatoes...
n/t
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:50 AM
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15. For real! LMAO. n/t
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:47 AM
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6. It will solidify her already guaranteed second place finish.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:47 AM
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7. I think this has real potential. It's offensive to people of all races. A real unifier!
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:53 AM
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18. Just like dubya--a REAL "uniter!"
Wow. Now THAT is not a comparison any right minded Dem would want to see!


Laura
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:47 AM
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9. Other. If the media makes a huge deal about it, it could kill her in IN and NC....
ESPECIALLY if Obama has the good sense to keep his mouth shut and not join in the attack.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:48 AM
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10. It will be useful only insofar as it distracts from and neutralizes the "Pastor Disaster."*
*"pastor disaster" from MSNBC.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:49 AM
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12. I think it looks like a desperate effort by Obama supporters to link
a BILL CLINTON campaign supporter's disgraceful, whispered commentary, to events sixteen years later.

I think it will be covered like this: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/02/972175.aspx

Perhaps his informal role should be reduced to no role at all.

Kantor is no PASTOR, if that's the attempted linkage...
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:51 AM
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16. If mated with the white southern working folk comments from Hillary...
..it might reinforce attitudes of Hillary being a shallow, elitist political animal
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:52 AM
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17. Considering the candidates own "screw'em" comment had almost no impact
I doubt this one will either.
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:54 AM
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19. It will hurt her some, but not sure how much...
even though it happened a long time ago, Kantor is someone she has a long standing relationship with. The attitude expressed in the video is, I believe, consistent with HRC's failure to have a 50-state stategy (only concerned about the "important" states). I am sure since HRC thought the primaries would be over on Feb. 5, she never thought she would be absolutely desperate to win Indiana.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:56 AM
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20. UIh, it is a MOVIE about the 1992 campaign...Just a movie.....NOT the actual campaign!
From NBC's Domenico Montanaro

With the Indiana and North Carolina primaries less than 96 hours away, making its way around the pro-Obama blogosphere is a clip in this video of former prominent Clinton administration official Mickey Kantor calling Indianans an expletive. It is an excerpt from the movie "The War Room" about the 1992 Clinton campaign. Kantor, James Carville and George Stephanopoulous are reading over results from various states, including Indiana, when Kantor says:

“Look at Indiana, wait, wait, look at Indiana: 42-40. It doesn’t matter if we win. Those people are . Excuse me."


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

It's from a MOVIE about the 1992 campaign......!

And the "white n.....r" is impossible to hear at any volume!
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:03 AM
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22. Him calling the people of Indiana "shit" is enough.
:evilgrin:
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:04 AM
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23. I don't think this is going to really hurt her.

I just *hope* she doesn't try to spin it like the Bosnia sniper lie.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:04 AM
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24. Personally I think it depends on how it's covered
If the people of Indiana are made aware of it, this will hurt her by about 5% I think.

But the MSM has it's collective nose so far up HRC's ass right now we'll have to see :shrug:
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:05 AM
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25. OK, HRC will probably say she knew nothing about it...
..."I'll take her at her word."
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:07 AM
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26. Hoosiers
Are a proud people. Lived there for 3 years....they really hate it when people from other states espicially east coast states like NY look down on them.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:54 AM
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35. Jake3463
You couldn't be more right. I have never lived in a prouder state. Seriously it's almost wierd.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:03 PM
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36. They kept telling me
After my second year there I'm a Hoosier now...they wanted to adopt me. I resisted. I'm a proud Pennsylvanian and always will be :-)
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marzellino Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:07 AM
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27. They won't vote for the Clinton staffer n/t
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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:08 AM
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28. Would a Hillary supporter please speak up?
I've been looking at these threads and the Hillary supporters are quiet. It would be easy to denounce this as guilt by association...but oh wait...that would make you FUCKING HYPOCRITES!
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:11 AM
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29. I'm for Obama but
I don't think this will have any impact. The MSM will NOT pick it up so it won't be a factor. They don't want this damn contest to end so they want to go after the front runner, not the one who is behind.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:34 AM
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30. Pissed!
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:39 AM
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31. Update: It's a fake!!!!!!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith /

Pennebaker: Clip Doctoered

I just spoke to D.A. Pennebaker, the director of "The War Room," who said his film had been doctored to produce a widely-viewed YouTube clip.

In a clip from his film on the 1992 Clinton campaign, posted to YouTube today, Clinton advisor Mickey Kantor is -- according to subtitles -- seen referring to Indianans with an expletive and to his colleague George Stephanopolous with a racial slur.

"He does not say that. He does not say that," said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip.

He said the initial expletive referred to the anticipated reaction in the Bush White House to the fact that Ross Perot's polling numbers were holding strong.

"What he says is he’s surprised Perot’s numbers are holding," said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House."

The second expletive, he said, appeared to have been entirely fabricated, with new audio dubbed onto the original movie.

Pennebaker appeared surprised and amused by the video.

"A thousand people saw that film in theaters and didn't think" the second expletive had been used, he said. "It's very clearly understandable. It's not like it was in Bulgarian."


The sound you hear is the toilet flushing a wet dream away......LMAO!


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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:42 AM
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32. Its real, he says "Shit" and "worthless" and whispers something else.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:47 AM
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33. Try the link. The movie director says bullshit! nt
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Ronnie Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:47 AM
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34. This broke too soon.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:54 AM by Ronnie
By Sunday everyone will know it's


I hope.

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