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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:03 AM
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Proceed With CAUTION
Kantor is denying the authenticity of the video, claiming its a fake.

The "These people are shit" line is unmistakeable, but I went back and watched the video several times... and I'm no longer convinced that Kantor said "white niggers"

Sure, you can hear it being said, if you turn the volume up, but did KANTOR say it?

Look at the vid once more, and watch Kantor's lips:

http://www.youtube.com/v/sN_nQOHj__s&hl=en

I'm not sure anymore at all. And I think Obama supporters should tread VERY lightly on this issue.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:04 AM
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1. agreed... if this is altered at all, then this would be really not good for Obama
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:06 AM
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4. wtf?
someone altering a youtube video is now his fault too? Holy shit maybe he is the Messiah given his apparent omnipotence? :wtf:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:08 AM
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10. And you would blame this on Obama....because???
:eyes:

Gads, grow fucking up, OK?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:11 AM
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12. This would only be bad for Obama if it were called out by the team
and turned out to be false.

This isn't about Obama doing something bad, I'm talking about his support structure avoiding something stupid.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:31 AM
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22. You don't think the MSM can spin a sob story about poor Kantor, and poor Clinton...
...and blame the whole thing on Obama? I think that possible.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:04 AM
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2. The you tube is completely inconclusive on its own. Anybody with a mac could've doctored the audio
Not saying that they *did*, but...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:05 AM
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3. Kantor had over a decade to deny those words
He didn't and considering the nature of what he said, he most surely would have. Sorry but for Kantor, it's too little too late. He is about as honest as the person he advises
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:08 AM
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9. IF those words are a decade old, I'd agree.
But what if the audio ias a recent alteration?

Just watch Kantor's mouth. He does NOT seem to be in synch with the audio. I'm not sure that what we're hearing is what he said in 1992.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:10 AM
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11. The movie used captioning because he spoke in such hushed terms
until today, he never had a problem with what the movie stated he said.
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:07 AM
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5. Here is the non-subtitled version and calling a state S**t is no better
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:07 AM by oviedodem
War room Pt. 9

Around 4:40
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:13 AM
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15. He said it.
That particular clip is straight out of The War Room, and Kantor said the N-word.

Who am I gonna believe? Kantor or my lying ears?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:07 AM
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6. I agree on caution
I heard it and thought he said it. Does anyone here have the commercial dvd of "War Room"?
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:07 AM
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7. "these people are shit... oh sorry" is damning enough. n/t
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:07 AM by yodermon
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:12 AM
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13. Yup. Take that, Hoosiers! nt
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:18 AM
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19. And little georgie echoes "shit"
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:49 AM
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24. DING DING DING! Yodermon, you're our grand prize winner!
"these people are shit... oh sorry" is damning enough.
Exactly! Why did he immediately say "excuse me" after "these people are shit?" And why insult the pollsters if they were ahead in Indidana?

:headbang:
rocknation
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:08 AM
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8. Agreed. He did say the first part though. That is indisputable. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:12 AM
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14. then why is he whispering and why does he say 'excuse me' lol
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:15 AM
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18. oh, the Sh!t part is clearly there
but the last bit...not sure. His mouth moves one way while the audio wants it to move the other
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:13 AM
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16. Does Anyone Have An Original Copy?
I think that would clear this up pretty damn quick.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:14 AM
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17. Where is the longer version of the video? The one that didn't have the sub-text. nt
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:18 AM
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20. I'm sure the Obama campaign will play it smart with NO COMMENT
Unless they keep pushing Obama, to which he might respond "I'll let Senator Clinton speak to that."

:evilgrin:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:19 AM
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21. tho he said "Those people are shit"
he MEANT to say, "Those people are THE shit." Because Indiana and North Carolina are going to be the states that put the nail in Hillary's campaign coffin.

:rofl: wouldn't that be sweet?

I guess if you play the bullshit "elitist" card on someone raised by a single mother whose wife grew up in a one bedroom house, you better be ready to get a smack down. Because your karma account is BANKRUPT!

sincerely,

one of those Indiana shit people.

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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:36 AM
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23. Original HERE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U

The odd thing...the SHIT comment is now in question as well. It sounds like Kantor is saying "Those people are shitTING" as in Bricks, as in if the Republicans are losing Indiana, they are SHITTING.

HOWEVER...

Go back and listen to the WWN statement. It's still there.

It's still there.
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